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I'm having what seems to be a separation issue. Used lazyman's tek on 1kg powdered MHRB. Went with his suggestion to mix everything up and let it sit for a few days in closed HDPE jugs, mixing occasionally. Now I'm on to separating off the naptha layer but my naptha is very brown. There IS a clear separation between it and the...goop, but it's not clear like it should be. I've done the tek before without letting the mixture sit for a few days and my naptha poured off clear, leaving a beautiful white-tan product after freeze precipitation. Any ideas why there seems to be what I can only assume is root bark precipitate in my naptha layer? I used the same lye and naptha as last time, though the root bark is from a different vendor.
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So ive just purified some material that smelled of naphtha by dissolving it in 99% IPA, and now, after scraping, my material smells of IPA.
I waited over 24 hours for it to dry completely.. Im going to just leave my dish uncovered. It does not smell heavily unless my tupperware is freshly opened.
So in conclusion, every time I let something dry, I always get solvent in crystals. Whats going on?
I waited over 24 hours for it to dry completely.. Im going to just leave my dish uncovered. It does not smell heavily unless my tupperware is freshly opened.
So in conclusion, every time I let something dry, I always get solvent in crystals. Whats going on?
Hi i use MHRB Powder and extract it with A/B (DMT-handbook method). I solved 1kg powder in nearly 3l of PH3 water and startet to boil it, when stirring it feels like a thin liquid but from time to time there are forming big chunks (is this a problem?) also there seems to be a big foamy layer on top. I let it boil really slowly (1 burb every 30-60 sec) but there seeems to get some powder burnt on the bottom (the bottom feel rough also some browner stuff is rising to the top), additionally the burnt stuff builds some kind of skin (same consitency like cooling milk) so what I'm doing wrong? Also I'm wondering how to cook that stuff trice, because the powder has a consistency of flour so it might be difficult to keep it back. I thought about filtering it through a piece of cloth , squeeze the cloth and put the powder back. The best cloth I could find is a piece of white cotton, I think it's one of these oldscool dippers. At the moment I'm cooking it the whole time (cooking + discard the water) to get any rests of washing poweder etc. out of it.
Is the extraction messed up or can I continue?
Is the extraction messed up or can I continue?
Ok short Update I put the cloth away and just filled it into the strainer. The strainer has a very fine mesh, so its dripping through. Actually it seems more solid then it felt. The handbook tells to cover the bark with water but this is hard to estimate with powder, thus i don't recommend to use powder. I hope it drips through in the next half an hour but the problem is I don't have much distilled water left. I think I should have used more water (At the moment the solution has the consitency of a very thick milkshake). So a few more urgent questions:
- How much water is usally used for 1kg of powder?
- How much water will I aproximately need for basifying (So I can use the rest, I have aproximately 3l Acified water and 5 l distilled water left)?
- Or is it a huge problem to use very hard tab water (In my area there is a lot of chalc)? (Or does it make a differene cfor NaOH because i think it will just be harder to acify if it contains chalc)
EDIT Another Update: the filtering seemed to work somehow, but I hope the cloth didn't loose color to the solution because first it was white and now it's kind of grey but I think it just got colored by the MHRB. Meanwhile its f**** cold and the solution doesn't really boil anymore (I'm doing this outside with a lab cooker). Tomorrrow I will decant the three batches and filter them with a coffee filter. There is the next question how important is a fine filtering, because atm it seems that to filter 1l it takes 2-3h and I will have around 5l of solution. So actually I don't want to filter and just decant. Maybe some of guys has a good advice to my first timer problems, thx and good n8
- How much water is usally used for 1kg of powder?
- How much water will I aproximately need for basifying (So I can use the rest, I have aproximately 3l Acified water and 5 l distilled water left)?
- Or is it a huge problem to use very hard tab water (In my area there is a lot of chalc)? (Or does it make a differene cfor NaOH because i think it will just be harder to acify if it contains chalc)
EDIT Another Update: the filtering seemed to work somehow, but I hope the cloth didn't loose color to the solution because first it was white and now it's kind of grey but I think it just got colored by the MHRB. Meanwhile its f**** cold and the solution doesn't really boil anymore (I'm doing this outside with a lab cooker). Tomorrrow I will decant the three batches and filter them with a coffee filter. There is the next question how important is a fine filtering, because atm it seems that to filter 1l it takes 2-3h and I will have around 5l of solution. So actually I don't want to filter and just decant. Maybe some of guys has a good advice to my first timer problems, thx and good n8
Alright, well this will be SWIM's first time extracting, and due to certain limitations, (not being able to purchase online easily, being in California where VM&P naphtha is no longer available, and lye or Pickling lime being incredibly difficult to find) is looking to attempt Q21Q21's jimjam tek. My question is: Could SWIM use Sodium Carbonate instead of Calcium Hydroxide as the main base if I am using xylene or d-limeone as the solvent?
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In theory yes but I dont know in practice if anybody tried... IF you try it out, go for small amount first and let us know how it goes.
And Didmytest, I dont understand what the real trouble is.. I know for the first time its kinda daunting but dont worry, just boil the mimosa with water, strain/filter however way you can, repeat 3x, reduce, add base, pull.... As for exact amounts, ive never measured to be honest. Dont throw anything away till you're finished and no matter what, you wont lose anything, you can always go back and recover.
And Didmytest, I dont understand what the real trouble is.. I know for the first time its kinda daunting but dont worry, just boil the mimosa with water, strain/filter however way you can, repeat 3x, reduce, add base, pull.... As for exact amounts, ive never measured to be honest. Dont throw anything away till you're finished and no matter what, you wont lose anything, you can always go back and recover.
Hi there!
Just one question. I've been searching for this in the wiki and FAQ, but I couldn't find it. After adding the NPS (heptane) to the mixture of NaOH+MHRB, Is there any formula to estimate how many ml of "DMT liquid" will form? ((I didn't know how to call it better)) Of course you can measure how many ml have been produced after separating it, but I'm interested in doing this calculation before.
Just one question. I've been searching for this in the wiki and FAQ, but I couldn't find it. After adding the NPS (heptane) to the mixture of NaOH+MHRB, Is there any formula to estimate how many ml of "DMT liquid" will form? ((I didn't know how to call it better)) Of course you can measure how many ml have been produced after separating it, but I'm interested in doing this calculation before.
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What does that mean? Lets say you add 100ml of solvent to the mimosa, well, you are going to take basically 100ml out, and the unknown amount of DMT will be dissolved in it, so what do you mean with "dmt liquid"?
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Some solvent may be lost, or left behind (such as too difficult to separate) so it'll be better to throw in 150ml for the first pull, then withdraw 100. The following pulls can be 100ml (with 100ml retrieval of course).Istubar said:Yes, I was referring to that (but I didn't know how to call it better).
Well, then perfect. If I'll get the same amount of solvent, even without precision, I find it useful.
Question solved, thank you!
Figured I would post this in this thread before creating a new one.
SWIM is having the "red/dark" naptha when doing Whatcha's tek. SWIM has done the same tek a few times before and only had this problem the last couple times. Not all pulls are dark, so SWIM kept them separated.
SWIM found that doing a Sodium carbonate wash multiple times (~4-8 washes) the naptha would turn more normal of a color. Spice came out surprisingly white.
Does any one really have a idea on why this happens? SWIM searched multiple forums. Most common idea was pre-powdered bark.
here is the main problem SWIM has been having. When doing the Sodium carbonate washes, the water has been separating very slowly. SWIM is wondering if you can OVER saturate the water with SC. SWIM read multiple places to "saturate water until it will hold no more". most recent wash was a water bottle half full with 50g SC added and shaken until water turned clear again. about 1.5oz of water is used in each wash. but it was not uncommon for SWIM to let the final clean jug sit over night, and noticed more water has settles to the bottom of the jug (even after waiting minutes for the SC/water to settle)
Why is the water taking so long to settle? Also another jug seems to have "sediment" like it could almost be SC settling on the side of the jug after ~20 hours in the freezer (no its not spice, too fine and powdery)
SWIM is having the "red/dark" naptha when doing Whatcha's tek. SWIM has done the same tek a few times before and only had this problem the last couple times. Not all pulls are dark, so SWIM kept them separated.
SWIM found that doing a Sodium carbonate wash multiple times (~4-8 washes) the naptha would turn more normal of a color. Spice came out surprisingly white.
Does any one really have a idea on why this happens? SWIM searched multiple forums. Most common idea was pre-powdered bark.
here is the main problem SWIM has been having. When doing the Sodium carbonate washes, the water has been separating very slowly. SWIM is wondering if you can OVER saturate the water with SC. SWIM read multiple places to "saturate water until it will hold no more". most recent wash was a water bottle half full with 50g SC added and shaken until water turned clear again. about 1.5oz of water is used in each wash. but it was not uncommon for SWIM to let the final clean jug sit over night, and noticed more water has settles to the bottom of the jug (even after waiting minutes for the SC/water to settle)
Why is the water taking so long to settle? Also another jug seems to have "sediment" like it could almost be SC settling on the side of the jug after ~20 hours in the freezer (no its not spice, too fine and powdery)
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I gotta go now but check this out:
and btw, just because its fine and powdery doesnt mean its not dmt... You can always filter it out and try to dissolve in warm naphtha.. if it doesnt dissolve, its possibly sodium carb (or at least not dmt), if it does, its probably dmt.
and btw, just because its fine and powdery doesnt mean its not dmt... You can always filter it out and try to dissolve in warm naphtha.. if it doesnt dissolve, its possibly sodium carb (or at least not dmt), if it does, its probably dmt.
ok, gunna read the link, but SWIM knows with 99.9% certainty that its not spice.
SWIM wonders how SC got into the final jug. He did 1 plain tap water wash.
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yeah SWIM has read the FAQ on the dark naptha on this and other forums.
His main question was why does the water take so long to seperate? It should do it in under half a min, but it takes for ever.
And can you "over saturate" the water with SC? Maybe thats why the water separates slowly? SWIM knows he goes over kill with the SC, he just wants to make sure its saturated enough.
SWIM wonders how SC got into the final jug. He did 1 plain tap water wash.
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yeah SWIM has read the FAQ on the dark naptha on this and other forums.
His main question was why does the water take so long to seperate? It should do it in under half a min, but it takes for ever.
And can you "over saturate" the water with SC? Maybe thats why the water separates slowly? SWIM knows he goes over kill with the SC, he just wants to make sure its saturated enough.
in the uk ronsonol lighter fluid works perfectly, my chemist has never had any problems with mimosa hostilis and reports yeilds of 1% clean and white, with no defat the onlyt problem he encountered was when he used acacia confusa when mhrb was unavailble, had the same problem as described, at room temp i couldnt get clean crystals only an oily brown liquid, im thinking plant oils were the problem, are you using purple inner root bark from mimosa hositlis?
Cheers,
SWIM is doing the marsofold tek extraction. They were going to do a full 1 lb, but the root bark was finely powdered, and in another tek it said if finely powdered use less material. So SWIM went with 300grams of Mimosa Hostilis, but still used the 1 gallon of Polar Extraction: 1-Quart White Vinegar & 3-Quarts Water. So not sure if SWIM should have done the full gallon? And since SWIM did do the full gallon at this point does SWIM need to adjust any other amounts of materials?
How much Naptha should SWIM use?
Does SWIM need to make any other adjustments since it is so finely powdered?
Danke!
SWIM is doing the marsofold tek extraction. They were going to do a full 1 lb, but the root bark was finely powdered, and in another tek it said if finely powdered use less material. So SWIM went with 300grams of Mimosa Hostilis, but still used the 1 gallon of Polar Extraction: 1-Quart White Vinegar & 3-Quarts Water. So not sure if SWIM should have done the full gallon? And since SWIM did do the full gallon at this point does SWIM need to adjust any other amounts of materials?
How much Naptha should SWIM use?
Does SWIM need to make any other adjustments since it is so finely powdered?
Danke!
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Dont worry about adjusting quantities for powdered material, grey7grey, just do as normal and it will work fine. If you change amount of starting product, just change amounts of everything else in proportion.
Dustee, Im not sure about why its taking long to separate. You cant "over-saturate" water with SC.. I mean, you can, but what will happen is there will be some undissolved sodium carbonate, so just decant away from that excess amount (or filter). In any case for next time, maybe dont use a saturated solution, just throw a pinch of sodium carbonate for the wash.
Dustee, Im not sure about why its taking long to separate. You cant "over-saturate" water with SC.. I mean, you can, but what will happen is there will be some undissolved sodium carbonate, so just decant away from that excess amount (or filter). In any case for next time, maybe dont use a saturated solution, just throw a pinch of sodium carbonate for the wash.
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Thanks for the response. Well, that might be the issue, SWIM is already at the stage where the 300grams is in 1 gallon of water/vinegar and I need to add naptha now. In the TEK it calls for 1 lb of material, SWIM used 66% of 1 lb (300g vs. 453g to a lb), so should SWIM use 66% of all other components? SWIM am mostly concerned with the amount of Naptha to use since too much seems to be a problem.
Cheers!
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What you will realize once you have gotten through your first or second extraction is that it is very 'forgiving'.... There's no need to really be exact, one just needs to 'get' the processes. So for example, using more naphtha, what did you read was the problem? Here's two things I can think about: waste (in terms of your money and ecologically), and the fact that if you pull with too much naphtha, you will need to pre-evaporate it to freeze precipitate, otherwise it wont be saturated enough and some (or all) dmt wont precipitate. The FAQ has recommendation regarding size of pulls and pre-evaporation, check that out.
Maybe the most important thing that I've learned regarding extractions is to never throw anything away until you're finished and happy with your final yield. The alkaloids dont dissapear, they are always in some part or another, so you can always recover it.
Let us know how it goes, and be sure to write an intro essay so we can properly welcome you into the community
Maybe the most important thing that I've learned regarding extractions is to never throw anything away until you're finished and happy with your final yield. The alkaloids dont dissapear, they are always in some part or another, so you can always recover it.
Let us know how it goes, and be sure to write an intro essay so we can properly welcome you into the community
