official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[heavyhanded]

Would an eye dropper of warm naphtha do per jar? Can they evap in high heat? It is HOT around here these days. Would I be able to just do another freeze precip if I didn't use too much naphtha or does it have to be an evap?

Thanks again for all your help.

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

So im currently performing this tek Q21Q21 Lime extract tek here I'm doing this tek with 50g of MHRB. Im currently at the "Basification stage"... I added the recommended amout of Lime, I stird for a little while, adding a tiny bit of Lime, it will be grey for a little while, then the top part turns red (thats normal). Im performing "CONSISTENCY 1" option. Its been about 20min, but it still looks the same, It looks a little watery, but it hasnt dried yet.

Do you guys have any tips, pointers or advice for this stage???? I want to know what its spose to look like, before I proceed. (the tutorial pics, are to small) I just dont want to mess this up


Like I said, this is happening now, in Real time

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

at this point i would let it sit for a couple days in a high place, should be dry by the time you are ready to pull w/ the solvent, or if you are impatient, you can use a fan or an oven on low temp with the door cracked.

but the consistency really doesn't matter all that much, IME

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

at this point i would let it sit for a couple days in a high place, should be dry by the time you are ready to pull w/ the solvent, or if you are impatient, you can use a fan or an oven on low temp with the door cracked.

but the consistency really doesn't matter all that much, IME

Okay great! I have it in a glass container, dose it need to be sealed or can it be open top?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

Okay great! I have it in a glass container, dose it need to be sealed or can it be open top?

sealed would hardly let the moisture out (i would assume) the only thing an open top would do would dry it out, which is what you are trying to do. unless you want to wait say 7 days to do your first pull, and its mostly fully dried in 2, then you could put the lid on for the last 5 days, but this is just common sense.


also i believe you should have posted this in the "general extractions help" subforum..

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

The TEK calls for 3:4 ratio of lime:bark, but I usually use 1:1. I feel it works a bit faster and more thoroughly. The consistency isn't supposed to be totally dry I don't think... crumby is just supposed to be more dry. The difference there is solvent-loss, with the wet consistency losing around 50% naphtha for me and crumbly being closer to 20-30%. This isn't too big of an issue with naphtha (although it adds up), but if using limonene then crumbly is the way to go (though that is still lots of $$ to be losing to a TEK).

I let the basification stage go 24 hours, mixing every few hours. This is to ensure that I get the most Spice with fewer pulls. If I let it go this long I get close to half the Spice in one pull.

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

The TEK calls for 3:4 ratio of lime:bark, but I usually use 1:1. I feel it works a bit faster and more thoroughly. The consistency isn't supposed to be totally dry I don't think... crumby is just supposed to be more dry. The difference there is solvent-loss, with the wet consistency losing around 50% naphtha for me and crumbly being closer to 20-30%. This isn't too big of an issue with naphtha (although it adds up), but if using limonene then crumbly is the way to go (though that is still lots of $$ to be losing to a TEK).

I let the basification stage go 24 hours, mixing every few hours. This is to ensure that I get the most Spice with fewer pulls. If I let it go this long I get close to half the Spice in one pull.

Thanks guys I appreciate it

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

Okay great! I have it in a glass container, dose it need to be sealed or can it be open top?

sealed would hardly let the moisture out (i would assume) the only thing an open top would do would dry it out, which is what you are trying to do. unless you want to wait say 7 days to do your first pull, and its mostly fully dried in 2, then you could put the lid on for the last 5 days, but this is just common sense.


also i believe you should have posted this in the "general extractions help" subforum..

Your right, I shoud'ev posted there. Can the mods move it there???

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

The beauty of not letting it dry out completely is that you will be able to poor ever so gently from your glass container to your precipitation vessel without any bark traveling along. If it gets totally dry you can bet that the mimosa crumbs will be in the jar. With the right consistency there's no need to poor through a filter to avoid mimosa chunks being in your product, and you'll save solvent in the long run, dry mimosa drinks all the naptha.

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

The beauty of not letting it dry out completely is that you will be able to poor ever so gently from your glass container to your precipitation vessel without any bark traveling along. If it gets totally dry you can bet that the mimosa crumbs will be in the jar. With the right consistency there's no need to poor through a filter to avoid mimosa chunks being in your product, and you'll save solvent in the long run, dry mimosa drinks all the naptha.

Yeah already there's mimosa chunks on the walls of the jar:roll:...

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

The beauty of not letting it dry out completely is that you will be able to poor ever so gently from your glass container to your precipitation vessel without any bark traveling along. If it gets totally dry you can bet that the mimosa crumbs will be in the jar. With the right consistency there's no need to poor through a filter to avoid mimosa chunks being in your product, and you'll save solvent in the long run, dry mimosa drinks all the naptha.

while this is true, filtration is easy to do (funnel + cotton ball) and some people prefer it to solvent loss. however, i do tend to let it be a little more wet than the tek calls for so it isn't completely dry (after sitting for a few days, i normally wait a week for my first pull) for this reason.

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

The beauty of not letting it dry out completely is that you will be able to poor ever so gently from your glass container to your precipitation vessel without any bark traveling along. If it gets totally dry you can bet that the mimosa crumbs will be in the jar. With the right consistency there's no need to poor through a filter to avoid mimosa chunks being in your product, and you'll save solvent in the long run, dry mimosa drinks all the naptha.

while this is true, filtration is easy to do (funnel + cotton ball) and some people prefer it to solvent loss. however, i do tend to let it be a little more wet than the tek calls for so it isn't completely dry (after sitting for a few days, i normally wait a week for my first pull) for this reason.

Is having ALOT of material on the outer walls being to waist full? Id imagine it wouldnt be going through the "process" because its not in contact with Lime (at the bottom of the jar). Im sorry for being Anal about this

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

the lime and bark need to be totally mixed together. When you pour in the solvent, you want it to come into contact with the maximum amount of bark as possible.

As ntwhtyouknw mentioned, totally dry bark will soak up almost all the naphtha. Its better a little wet, even when crumbly.

The first few times you do this TEK it can seem a little complicated, but after a few runthroughs it comes together that its as easy as baking a cake! Don't stress friend!

Are you guys really waiting a week for the first pull?? Why? I do ALL pulls at 5-10 minutes, and the first almost always pulls at least half the total content (my yields are always around 1.1%). What is the reason for the long pull? Or do you mean waiting a week for the basification? Srry, I'm just confused!

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

the lime and bark need to be totally mixed together. When you pour in the solvent, you want it to come into contact with the maximum amount of bark as possible.

As ntwhtyouknw mentioned, totally dry bark will soak up almost all the naphtha. Its better a little wet, even when crumbly.

The first few times you do this TEK it can seem a little complicated, but after a few runthroughs it comes together that its as easy as baking a cake! Don't stress friend!

Are you guys really waiting a week for the first pull?? Why? I do ALL pulls at 5-10 minutes, and the first almost always pulls at least half the total content (my yields are always around 1.1%). What is the reason for the long pull? Or do you mean waiting a week for the basification? Srry, I'm just confused!

So pretty much if I do it your way it' take around 24 hours, then I'd pull stage. And doing that will give me half the spice, so if I did for one more days that should give me the rest?

**(I apologies for my terminology just bear with me)**:thumb_up:

I would love to do this the shortest possible way, as long as I dont lose quantity/quality

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

The first few times you do this TEK it can seem a little complicated, but after a few runthroughs it comes together that its as easy as baking a cake! Don't stress friend!

actually the whole time i was preforming my first, i was surprised everything seemed so easy.
i had read so many beginner's troubleshooting threads, i figured i HAD to have done something wrong (obviously not).


and i meant letting the basified bark sit, not the solvent.

pulls i let sit about 15 mins (a little more than recommended. but limonene doesn't really evap and i figure better safe than sorry).

but i like to do only like 3 pulls so i do the first one after waiting quite a bit, followed by another pull, and depending on the yield of the second, i will either do a regular sized third pull, a smaller pull, or no third pull.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

Oh ok parshvik! Yeah that sounds more normal. Do you think letting the basification go as long as a week really helps? I mean, I guess if you are getting close to 100% yield with 2-3 pulls then it is doing a more thorough job than my way (takes me 4-6 pulls to get close to 100%, even if I get around 50% on the first pull. However, I am using naphtha and I use a 1:1 lime:bark ratio, so maybe that could change something.

@Cosmic_Reality: yes that's about right. You don't need to add any more lime or do any more steps other than keep doing solvent pulls until satisfied that you've gotten it all out. What solvent are you using? I can help if you have naphtha questions, however having not evolved on to limonene someone else will have to help there, sorry!

I do two naphtha pulls at a time, combine and reduce 50% or so (if they are bigger volumes, over 100 ml), and freeze-precipitate. It takes I guess 2-3 double pulls (so 4-6 actual pulls I guess) to get it all, which can be done all at once or over the course of a few days, however you like. They could all potentially be combined in one and reduced, just to get it all in one fat pile... but all of that is really just personal preference

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

Im doing my first pull, I added the correct amount of Limolene. But when I place the coffie filter it gets stuck in the funnle, also I tried using a cotton ball, but it still stuck in the funnel.

Im trying to find some cheese cloth. Any suggestions??

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

If I had to take a guess as to why Its not filtering through the (coffee filters/cotton balls/ napkins) I would say that it needs to be more watery. What do you guys think?????
Its making me frustrated

 

[onethousandk]

If I had to take a guess as to why Its not filtering through the (coffee filters/cotton balls/ napkins) I would say that it needs to be more watery. What do you guys think?????
Its making me frustrated

I've never done a dry tek so this may not help you, but I always tape my coffee filter to the sides of my funnel so that there's more surface area for the solvent to drain through. Once it's mostly run off you can twist the filter closed and use it to squeeze excess out of the bark. I do this for my acid washes so I'm not sure if it helps with your situation. A few extra runs through the filter catches any of the bark that may have slipped through.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

Sorry like I said I've only used naphtha