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onethousandk said:
I is not hard to get dmt crystals out of a coffee filter. The whole idea behind "freeze precipitation" is to get the solution of dmt and naphtha to 'precipitate', or fall out of the solution. Naphtha and dmt will homogenize, but at cold temperatures, they will not. After a bit in the freezer, you will have crystals that you can see with your eyes in the naphtha
With a freeze percip, you can also re use naphtha. from what ive herd, you can use it for 2 or 3 pulls.
Just a couple quick questions.... How many grams of root bark can be used if one is using a gallon size jar for a STB extraction? Also, what types of stores have 1 or 5 gallon jars? Gone from home depot to target and cannot find any pickling jars or anything of that sort... Still using a gallon jar found at target from a few years back, but cannot find anymore!
Thanks for your replies!
Just one more question:
After freeze precip SWIM gonna put the jars upside-down to get rid off all the naptha and put them back in the freezer, lids closed. Works?
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Just browse ebay a lot and u will find something useful (HDPE etc.)
How much bark you can use depends on how much water you are going to use. Just do the maths and you should figure it out.
With noman Tek 200g Bark would need 3000ml Water so your jar should be quite full cuz u still have to add the lye and the bark itself...
Just one more question:
After freeze precip SWIM gonna put the jars upside-down to get rid off all the naptha and put them back in the freezer, lids closed. Works?
@IT Gnome
Just browse ebay a lot and u will find something useful (HDPE etc.)
How much bark you can use depends on how much water you are going to use. Just do the maths and you should figure it out.
With noman Tek 200g Bark would need 3000ml Water so your jar should be quite full cuz u still have to add the lye and the bark itself...
I can figure out the math when it comes to the liquids... but converting liquids and solids confuses me. Also do the HDPE bottles have to be HDPE 2? Most just say HDPE bottles, but also say they can hold chemicals and such.
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As long as you have enough water to make the mix 'watery' and not 'sludgy' then your OK.
enough lye to turn it all black or dark...
3litres for 200g bark is wayy to much IMO.
If its your first time extracting then start small (50g). If you mess up on large amounts...you will kick yourself.
Read on..
enough lye to turn it all black or dark...
3litres for 200g bark is wayy to much IMO.
If its your first time extracting then start small (50g). If you mess up on large amounts...you will kick yourself.
Read on..
There is only one kind of HDPE. The "2" is just for identification.
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You dont have to convert anything. e.g. noman tek, 50g bark, 750ml water 50g lye ---> 100g bark, 1500ml water, 100g lye. and so on. just double wabble. But better start small in case u screw up D:
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DMT Gnome said:
You dont have to convert anything. e.g. noman tek, 50g bark, 750ml water 50g lye ---> 100g bark, 1500ml water, 100g lye. and so on. just double wabble. But better start small in case u screw up D:
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All the filtering is getting tedious! I'm not very good with chemistry, so... what I've read in the teks (unless I missed something), there's quite an emphasis on filtering, but no explanation as to why this is so important.
Possibilities include: Solids are the source of concentrated toxic uterotonic alkaloids such as viscine OR
solids are nausea inducing but not at all toxic OR
solids detract from aesthetic purity of harmala/harmaline, but are otherwise harmless- steps are the result of predictable anal-retentiveness from chemists OR
even microfine particles are unsmokeable and teks are geared towards smokeable product- harmless for drinking anahuasca/pharmahuasca OR
particles simply interfere with steps following- product harmless but results in a goopey mess OR
The are other possibilities. Despite generally being a science guy, I don't want to overprocess the harmala because I want to preserve a some spiritual connection in communing with the plant teachers. I don't want to treat the harmala as just a drug, it seems a little disrespectful. No matter how nonsensical that may be, it's in my head and I need to pay attention to these thoughts in preparation of the spice experience. Thank you.
Possibilities include: Solids are the source of concentrated toxic uterotonic alkaloids such as viscine OR
solids are nausea inducing but not at all toxic OR
solids detract from aesthetic purity of harmala/harmaline, but are otherwise harmless- steps are the result of predictable anal-retentiveness from chemists OR
even microfine particles are unsmokeable and teks are geared towards smokeable product- harmless for drinking anahuasca/pharmahuasca OR
particles simply interfere with steps following- product harmless but results in a goopey mess OR
The are other possibilities. Despite generally being a science guy, I don't want to overprocess the harmala because I want to preserve a some spiritual connection in communing with the plant teachers. I don't want to treat the harmala as just a drug, it seems a little disrespectful. No matter how nonsensical that may be, it's in my head and I need to pay attention to these thoughts in preparation of the spice experience. Thank you.
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Hey all, SWIM just got all his supplies to start his first extraction but had a few quick questions:
1) He's debating on starting with 25g MHRB (powdered), ~35g Lye (5 tbsp.), 500mL water, and 50-100mL naphtha. Would these be effective quantities? Or would doubling everything for a 50g extraction be better?
2) He had a hard time (still looking, and will order one online if all else fails) finding a glass or HDPE2 container that was skinny, sealable, and over 1.5L in volume. The only thing he could find quickly was acrylic containers...which don't seem too safe for the mixture. Is he correct in not going with acrylic?
3) For smaller extractions, can he expect a relatively smaller final extraction time (for at least the first few pulls)?
Thanks in advance!
1) He's debating on starting with 25g MHRB (powdered), ~35g Lye (5 tbsp.), 500mL water, and 50-100mL naphtha. Would these be effective quantities? Or would doubling everything for a 50g extraction be better?
2) He had a hard time (still looking, and will order one online if all else fails) finding a glass or HDPE2 container that was skinny, sealable, and over 1.5L in volume. The only thing he could find quickly was acrylic containers...which don't seem too safe for the mixture. Is he correct in not going with acrylic?
3) For smaller extractions, can he expect a relatively smaller final extraction time (for at least the first few pulls)?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Nexus,
I have spilled a little limonene into water with the q2121 Tek and now have about a litre of water containing a little bit of dmt-saturated limonene, seems like a nasty emulsion, because the limonene doesnt't float. how do i get it out? my understanding would be the following options:
--acidify and boil down (does vinegar get the dmt back to acetate?)
--basify with either ca²oh³ or sodium carbonate and use a little more limonene to pull again
i would be very glad for an answer/confirmation
I have spilled a little limonene into water with the q2121 Tek and now have about a litre of water containing a little bit of dmt-saturated limonene, seems like a nasty emulsion, because the limonene doesnt't float. how do i get it out? my understanding would be the following options:
--acidify and boil down (does vinegar get the dmt back to acetate?)
--basify with either ca²oh³ or sodium carbonate and use a little more limonene to pull again
i would be very glad for an answer/confirmation
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shmurph1337 said:Hey all, SWIM just got all his supplies to start his first extraction but had a few quick questions:
1) He's debating on starting with 25g MHRB (powdered), ~35g Lye (5 tbsp.), 500mL water, and 50-100mL naphtha. Would these be effective quantities? Or would doubling everything for a 50g extraction be better?
2) He had a hard time (still looking, and will order one online if all else fails) finding a glass or HDPE2 container that was skinny, sealable, and over 1.5L in volume. The only thing he could find quickly was acrylic containers...which don't seem too safe for the mixture. Is he correct in not going with acrylic?
3) For smaller extractions, can he expect a relatively smaller final extraction time (for at least the first few pulls)?
Thanks in advance!
25G extraction is pretty small. Should probably just use 50G to make the extraction worth your effort, but yes those all seem like sound numbers for a 25g extraction.
I dont see why you couldnt use acrylic plastic bottles when you can use cheap plastic containers like milk jugs. Should be a safe bet.
Size of extraction doesnt really factor into the speed it extracts. It more involves the volume of liquid/temp/concentration that comes in contact with the plant material, and of course how much it is agitated during the process. Hope that helps.
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Well if there is a seperate water layer from the d-limo emulsion, then pour off as much water as you can first. With the remaining emulsion, try heating up for a while by setting the container in a pot of hot water, and see if emulsion seperates out. Collect the limo if it seperates and if it doesnt seperate, acidify the mix and swirl it around for 10-15 mins then seperate out the limo. Throw away that expended limo and make the water basic. Extract that with a small amount of nonpolar solvent and discard water, keeping the solvent that now has the dmt in it.Bud Shizzler said:
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Bad suggestion there, do NOT use acrylic for extractions. FAQ entry on "can I use this material" helps yu finding "compatibility" of substances, and in this case you'd see acrylic + naphtha/hexane/sodium hydroxide/sodium carbonate/etc are stated as "not acceptable" or "regular" at best. This means there will be some significant damage which can end up in your final product.
Also even milk jug is NOT recommended since phthalates and other plasticizers can leach from it:
But yeah I agree with kash that 25g extraction is too little, I'd go for 100 if I were you. Dont throw anything away and nothing is lost, your dmt can always be recovered.
Also even milk jug is NOT recommended since phthalates and other plasticizers can leach from it:
But yeah I agree with kash that 25g extraction is too little, I'd go for 100 if I were you. Dont throw anything away and nothing is lost, your dmt can always be recovered.
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Yeah I'm glad I saw that after I posted, thanks for letting me know. The only reason I'm doing a 50g extraction as opposed to 100g is that I just want to do a "test run" so to speak; feel out the whole process. Plus I didn't order much root bark lol
SWIM is having trouble with a D-Limonine extraction. The tek was listed on another site, but comes from DMT Nexus originally. This tek was used once with good results, and created very distinct layers which were easy to remove. On a second attempt, however, the D-Limonine and vinegar do not separate into layers. Instead they stay mixed together and a milky white layer is floating on top. On the previous attempt this whitish layer was not present at all.
Heating in a warm water bath did not help to separate the D-limonene/vinegar layers.
Also a small amount of the D-Limoene/vinegar mix was poured into a separate container and more vinegar was added, hoping that this would somehow separate, but this did not layer out either. It is just a more dilute version of what was already there.
Any suggestions for getting the layers to form?
Tek that was used (only 1/4th of the described amount was actually used):
100g powdered mimosa + 25g pickling lime (canning section of supermarket) + 100-200ml water...
...mixed well, in that order! Placed in a large french press coffee maker, let sit 5m.
+ 300ml d-limonene (must be ordered online, but it's worth it! Smells like fresh oranges, not gas!), stirred well. Let sit 1h - several days.
French press coffee maker to separate the d-limonene from the bark, poured through a coffee filter. All remaining limonene squeezed from the bark (careful not to break french press and shred hands apart in the broken glass).
Fresh limonene added to bark.
Collected limonene is added to 25ml distilled white vinegar, mixed, let separate until clear. Vinegar is removed with pipette (or other clever solution, like freezing) and dried on a glass dish to reveal DMT acetate along with other alkaloids as a sticky red oil.
Heating in a warm water bath did not help to separate the D-limonene/vinegar layers.
Also a small amount of the D-Limoene/vinegar mix was poured into a separate container and more vinegar was added, hoping that this would somehow separate, but this did not layer out either. It is just a more dilute version of what was already there.
Any suggestions for getting the layers to form?
Tek that was used (only 1/4th of the described amount was actually used):
100g powdered mimosa + 25g pickling lime (canning section of supermarket) + 100-200ml water...
...mixed well, in that order! Placed in a large french press coffee maker, let sit 5m.
+ 300ml d-limonene (must be ordered online, but it's worth it! Smells like fresh oranges, not gas!), stirred well. Let sit 1h - several days.
French press coffee maker to separate the d-limonene from the bark, poured through a coffee filter. All remaining limonene squeezed from the bark (careful not to break french press and shred hands apart in the broken glass).
Fresh limonene added to bark.
Collected limonene is added to 25ml distilled white vinegar, mixed, let separate until clear. Vinegar is removed with pipette (or other clever solution, like freezing) and dried on a glass dish to reveal DMT acetate along with other alkaloids as a sticky red oil.
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@spinCycle
in my understanding you let the basified caoh3 mix sit, not the limonene inside, this can pull plant oils or other stuff. Also your extraction volume is very small and for that you used too much limonene imo. My first extraction i used lime but im thinking of using naoh in the future, depending on my first extr. with it.
I had the same or a simmilar problem, a milky layer between water and limonene, in my case i did not filter all particles out of basified mix before. I seperated my layer, i.e. removed it, but kept it for its own wash later, since it may contain dmt also.
Water and limonene shouldn't mix at all. Boiling/Heating with acidified water for an hour should get all dmt out. Check pH. did you re-used the limonene? i would suggest, if limonene was reused, to spill that. the vinegar should have all dmt in it.
in my understanding you let the basified caoh3 mix sit, not the limonene inside, this can pull plant oils or other stuff. Also your extraction volume is very small and for that you used too much limonene imo. My first extraction i used lime but im thinking of using naoh in the future, depending on my first extr. with it.
I had the same or a simmilar problem, a milky layer between water and limonene, in my case i did not filter all particles out of basified mix before. I seperated my layer, i.e. removed it, but kept it for its own wash later, since it may contain dmt also.
Water and limonene shouldn't mix at all. Boiling/Heating with acidified water for an hour should get all dmt out. Check pH. did you re-used the limonene? i would suggest, if limonene was reused, to spill that. the vinegar should have all dmt in it.
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DMT Gnome said:
cloudiness in the naphtha isn't a problem..it means it's well saturated with what you want. Unless by cloudy you mean darkish (as in you pulled the solution up with the naphtha). don't feel discouraged! there's a lot of little things that can go awry during this.
i'm waiting on my first two pulls to freeze precip tonight, the naphtha in each was clearish (maybe a yellow tinge) but once i blew on the jars they were in they started to get "milky". i'm assuming what happened was that you used such a small amount of naphtha it got super saturated (which is good). for future reference, you can pull up as much naphtha/solution as you want into another thinner container, let the naphtha separate from any solution you may have pulled up, then pull off the naphtha from THAT skinnier container.
hope this helps!
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edit²: most questions answered by The Day Tripper, Post uppdated
i screwed up almost everything about my first two extractions. I'm left with various mixes of Naphtha/Limonene/Freebase/few particles, i plan to do the following (based on this post):
-all in one container, filter particles
-salt out with (warm) acidic water [will do a fasw/fasi instead]
(acidic water: evaporate)
-make a lime/sod.carb. paste and let fully dry (=mini-dry-tek)
-pull with Naphtha for White Crystals
-pull with IPA/Acetone for Jungle-Goo-Leftovers
i screwed up almost everything about my first two extractions. I'm left with various mixes of Naphtha/Limonene/Freebase/few particles, i plan to do the following (based on this post):
-all in one container, filter particles
-salt out with (warm) acidic water [will do a fasw/fasi instead]
(acidic water: evaporate)
-make a lime/sod.carb. paste and let fully dry (=mini-dry-tek)
-pull with Naphtha for White Crystals
-pull with IPA/Acetone for Jungle-Goo-Leftovers
