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I am a non-chemist beginner with elementary questions; Kindly seeking clarification on the 'Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide' Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki
Why is it, that in step 12, the alkaloids are said to pass through the coffee filter while the impurities are caught in it?
And in step 10, it says that a coffee filter is used to prevent the alkaloids from passing through?
Step 12 does say, “Your alkaloids should be dissolved in the liquid so any solid/color that stays in the filter is impurity.” But there is not explanation offered as to why the harmalas can pass through the filter at this step.
Bottom line: is my understanding correct, that the alks don’t pass in step 10, but do pass in step 12? If so, why is this?
Also, regarding salt precipitation: I understand that the saltwater mixture will push out the alks, but how to I collect them without the salt water? Do I just carefully pour the alks off the top?
Thanks a lot
Why is it, that in step 12, the alkaloids are said to pass through the coffee filter while the impurities are caught in it?
And in step 10, it says that a coffee filter is used to prevent the alkaloids from passing through?
Step 12 does say, “Your alkaloids should be dissolved in the liquid so any solid/color that stays in the filter is impurity.” But there is not explanation offered as to why the harmalas can pass through the filter at this step.
Bottom line: is my understanding correct, that the alks don’t pass in step 10, but do pass in step 12? If so, why is this?
Also, regarding salt precipitation: I understand that the saltwater mixture will push out the alks, but how to I collect them without the salt water? Do I just carefully pour the alks off the top?
Thanks a lot
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little flower said:
Because in step 12 you are filtering a solution with the alkaloids in acetate form, which you just obtained the step before. The dissolved alkaloids will cross the filter and the impurities will get stuck in it.
little flower said:
Because in step 10 you have the alkaloids in freebase form, that is undissolved in the water, so they will be caught by the filter at that stage.
little flower said:
You can decant and filter, again with a fine coffee filter. Remember, the rule of thumb is - a coffee filter will catch undissolved solids. Read well the guide... if you know what you have in every step, it will be clear what to save and what to discard every time you filter.
Deadhead22 said:
Not sure if it's the same problem I had. But it could be moisture in your jar sinking to the bottom and freezing into ice. I also have the problem when I take the jar out of the freezer and open it; many small crystals form on the sides, and then quickly dissolve.
It took me a couple of tries of saving it to realise it was just moisture from the air.
I don't know where you're getting these numbers... it's not like there's some all-in-one DMT extraction kit. Research the materials you need and look in your area for the best prices. E.g., if you need naphtha then look for a hardware store with the cheapest naphtha. Simple as that.xx1182 said:
A/B = Acid/Basexx1182 said:
STB = Straight to base
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Please make sure to do some reading and research before continuing. These are about the most basic questions you could ask and you should know their meanings before purchasing chemicals.
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all of these answers are already present on this forum.xx1182 said:
all you have to do is look for them.
also a/b is acid/base and STB is straight to base (no acid step).
EDIT: alpha beat me to it.
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Greetings, a friend of mine is attempting his third extraction(acrb) as we speak, and has a few questions:
he has read all 80-something pages of this thread(among others), and there is some controversy over whether Premium Zippo Fluid is a good solvent or not, and whether or not it will in fact freeze precip. Anyone know if it will freeze precip well? Also, will this solvent pull full spectrum(nmt, other things...) or not?
To clarify the process, he is using a/b and plans to use a lot of small naptha pulls to maximize purity, then a larger long pull with more virgin naptha to get all the nmt and whatnot. Does this appear sound?
Second, how important is it that the reduced tea is well filtered? He is filtering reductions through a metal strainer, and then letting it settle overnight(or longer), but there are still some particles floating in the brew; could this cause problems after basing and during the pulls?
He is working with 500g Acacia Confusa root bark, but hopes that using a large amount of material and doing small pulls will eliminate the need to defat. Is this the case, and if not, can he defat the tea with naptha before adding the base?
Anything yellow coming out of precipitated or evaporated naphta in this process is likely going to be nmt, not dmt-oxide, correct? He is not concerned about either, just curious since acrb contains just as much nmt as dmt.
Is over-reduction of the pre-based brew a problem? He was planning on reducing the 5 or so pulls down to the point where it only fills a half-gallon mason jar about half-way. I think I remember some having problems with this, but I've read so much in the past few months I can't remember exactly. Can this lead to emulsions or cause the "red naphta" I've read about?
he has read all 80-something pages of this thread(among others), and there is some controversy over whether Premium Zippo Fluid is a good solvent or not, and whether or not it will in fact freeze precip. Anyone know if it will freeze precip well? Also, will this solvent pull full spectrum(nmt, other things...) or not?
To clarify the process, he is using a/b and plans to use a lot of small naptha pulls to maximize purity, then a larger long pull with more virgin naptha to get all the nmt and whatnot. Does this appear sound?
Second, how important is it that the reduced tea is well filtered? He is filtering reductions through a metal strainer, and then letting it settle overnight(or longer), but there are still some particles floating in the brew; could this cause problems after basing and during the pulls?
He is working with 500g Acacia Confusa root bark, but hopes that using a large amount of material and doing small pulls will eliminate the need to defat. Is this the case, and if not, can he defat the tea with naptha before adding the base?
Anything yellow coming out of precipitated or evaporated naphta in this process is likely going to be nmt, not dmt-oxide, correct? He is not concerned about either, just curious since acrb contains just as much nmt as dmt.
Is over-reduction of the pre-based brew a problem? He was planning on reducing the 5 or so pulls down to the point where it only fills a half-gallon mason jar about half-way. I think I remember some having problems with this, but I've read so much in the past few months I can't remember exactly. Can this lead to emulsions or cause the "red naphta" I've read about?
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never mind, figured it out myself
defatting with naphta worked well, and I filtered through one, then double coffee filters. four pulls combined into two are in the freezer right now
defatting with naphta worked well, and I filtered through one, then double coffee filters. four pulls combined into two are in the freezer right nowBad news, the first pull on the first extraction turned out lime green. It was an stb so there wasnt much use for a tek, but the procedure was recorded and comments were taken on things that could or did cause error. Searching for answers.
Outstanding matters include; Leting lye and distilled water solution sit overnight before adding root. After adding solvent (coleman camping fuel) and shuffling letting the solution sit in warm water for 28.5 hours. After pulling, letting solvent evap naturally, but putting it in another room in the nearly closed drawer of a wooden desk. Then covering it with paper packaging from latex surgical gloves.
When pulling the solvent it was extremely clean (Pulled at >1ml at a time).
Could you comment on the lye: http://www.hardwareandtools.com/ComStar-30-500-Drain-Opener-1-Pound-0564328.html Its a pdf slightly down the page. Carbonic Acid Disodium Salt and Sodium Chloride should have stayed with the water correct? What does n/a means here. there is none? or they dont want to reveal actual amount? Coleman fuel was recommended from here, and an evap came up very clean. Bark was Acacia Confusa
Re-xing seems prudent, come back with result.
Outstanding matters include; Leting lye and distilled water solution sit overnight before adding root. After adding solvent (coleman camping fuel) and shuffling letting the solution sit in warm water for 28.5 hours. After pulling, letting solvent evap naturally, but putting it in another room in the nearly closed drawer of a wooden desk. Then covering it with paper packaging from latex surgical gloves.
When pulling the solvent it was extremely clean (Pulled at >1ml at a time).
Could you comment on the lye: http://www.hardwareandtools.com/ComStar-30-500-Drain-Opener-1-Pound-0564328.html Its a pdf slightly down the page. Carbonic Acid Disodium Salt and Sodium Chloride should have stayed with the water correct? What does n/a means here. there is none? or they dont want to reveal actual amount? Coleman fuel was recommended from here, and an evap came up very clean. Bark was Acacia Confusa
Re-xing seems prudent, come back with result.
