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Okay, now I'm trying extraction of Caapi with "Easy Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction Guide" and I'm getting nothing. No alkaloids precipitating out of the solution, and I've added a hell of a lot of lye to basify.
Can I really have got a batch of Caapi with NO alkaloids? Have I just not waited long enough (48 hours)?
Things are looking pretty bad right now.
Can I really have got a batch of Caapi with NO alkaloids? Have I just not waited long enough (48 hours)?
Things are looking pretty bad right now.
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Hi guys, I've got a concern with my extraction. I dried the bark in the oven for a few hours on around 50 degrees so that I could grind it easily, but I think I've actually destroyed any DMT contained within the bark. Does anyone know if I've stuffed it?
-FALSE ALARM, just finished my extraction and I can see dmt crystal appearing on the surface of the shellite-
But I'm still curious, do high heats reduce yields?
thanks,
OneEye.
-FALSE ALARM, just finished my extraction and I can see dmt crystal appearing on the surface of the shellite-
But I'm still curious, do high heats reduce yields?
thanks,
OneEye.
Hello, this is my first post.. i have a couple questions i need cleared up for me before i begin my chemical journey..
1- there a specific TYPE of pH strips i need? (brand, specific names would be awesome)
I can't find any locally lower than 5ish'...
And Amazon had a good bit of selection.. But if any one here had a good experience with their strips of choice, that would be enough for me..
2- I down loaded a tek for a/b, and it seemed as though all 3 cycles of separation and the collection of it were done in 1 day.. Is that right?? And then of course patient waiting with the lye process
3-shellite , is that the sane thing as the lye process?
4-oh yea.. When heating the bark and acid water, what's a good temperature?? Just anything right below boiling.. But not to where it's steaming and obviously excessively hot??
5- my first purchase was 125 grams is 50 grams a good amount to start with for my first extraction??
Id like to get a Decent enough yield.. Nothing crazy..
--all in all..i have
-125 g Mimosa
-muratic acid
-Lye
-Naphtha
-jars/filters/funnel/glass baking pan/scale..
I'm in need of ph strips (what kind).. But besides that, with these materials, how would You go about an extraction.. Just so i don't go and waste Mimosa and or time.. Thus had been a dream of mine as I'm sure it has been for everyone else.. I want to "wake up"!!
1- there a specific TYPE of pH strips i need? (brand, specific names would be awesome)
I can't find any locally lower than 5ish'...
And Amazon had a good bit of selection.. But if any one here had a good experience with their strips of choice, that would be enough for me..
2- I down loaded a tek for a/b, and it seemed as though all 3 cycles of separation and the collection of it were done in 1 day.. Is that right?? And then of course patient waiting with the lye process
3-shellite , is that the sane thing as the lye process?
4-oh yea.. When heating the bark and acid water, what's a good temperature?? Just anything right below boiling.. But not to where it's steaming and obviously excessively hot??
5- my first purchase was 125 grams is 50 grams a good amount to start with for my first extraction??
Id like to get a Decent enough yield.. Nothing crazy..
--all in all..i have
-125 g Mimosa
-muratic acid
-Lye
-Naphtha
-jars/filters/funnel/glass baking pan/scale..
I'm in need of ph strips (what kind).. But besides that, with these materials, how would You go about an extraction.. Just so i don't go and waste Mimosa and or time.. Thus had been a dream of mine as I'm sure it has been for everyone else.. I want to "wake up"!!
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1- pH strips are not really necessary, specially not for mimosa extraction but if you anyways want to get them, any of them should be fine. pH measuring is more interesting for other things like separating harmine from harmaline when extracting harmalas, and i'd recommend a pH meter instead of pH papers. You can get something like this:
plus some pH buffer solutions at pH 4, 7 and 10, to calibrate it regularly.
But for extracting mimosa its really not necessary because mimosa is it's own pH meter. It turns completely black at pH 13-14, which is what youre aiming for, so there's no way to miss it
2- Sure, an hour or two for each boil, you can def get that part done in the first day. I'd suggest after the third boil you leave your bark soaking in vinegar while you extract the rest, maybe if yields are low you can go back to your bark and try to do one more boil.
3- Shellite is the non polar solvent, like naphtha
4- Boiling is fine, DMT is stable in salt form at boil temperatures.
5- yeah 50 is ok, I'd say its the minimum. If you have 125g, maybe do it with half of what you have.
As for how to extract, check our wiki teks and specially dont forget to read the FAQ
plus some pH buffer solutions at pH 4, 7 and 10, to calibrate it regularly.
But for extracting mimosa its really not necessary because mimosa is it's own pH meter. It turns completely black at pH 13-14, which is what youre aiming for, so there's no way to miss it
2- Sure, an hour or two for each boil, you can def get that part done in the first day. I'd suggest after the third boil you leave your bark soaking in vinegar while you extract the rest, maybe if yields are low you can go back to your bark and try to do one more boil.
3- Shellite is the non polar solvent, like naphtha
4- Boiling is fine, DMT is stable in salt form at boil temperatures.
5- yeah 50 is ok, I'd say its the minimum. If you have 125g, maybe do it with half of what you have.
As for how to extract, check our wiki teks and specially dont forget to read the FAQ
I have a follow up question, since the ammonia cleansing process is widely unpopular, what's the Most popular way? I've seen allot of acetone fans. . and just to be clear the cleansing process is required right? might seem like a dumb question but that step wasn't in the stb tek (can't remember which off the top of my head) that I'm following :/
Hey everyone, not sure if this deserves its own post or not, but here goes.
After having read through many of the teks, q21q21's first tek appeals to me the most. I have a couple clarifying questions:
- Do certain teks result in significantly lower / higher yields?
- Are there any specific downsides to q21q21's tek (besides not being able to use freezer precipitation to collect the end result)
- Would you recommend using Xylene or D-Limomeme for this tek?
- Which steps in this tek need to be done one after the other immediately? Which steps could I take a break after to make sure I haven't messed up?
- Any helpful modifications I should know about?
- Most people seem to recommend vovin's / noman's tek for beginners, why is this?
Thanks for any help guys, I've found sources for all necessary materials but want to make sure I know exactly what I'll be doing once I obtain them.
P.S. I feel like using SWIM is unnecessary and legally won't help, am I being stupid?
After having read through many of the teks, q21q21's first tek appeals to me the most. I have a couple clarifying questions:
- Do certain teks result in significantly lower / higher yields?
- Are there any specific downsides to q21q21's tek (besides not being able to use freezer precipitation to collect the end result)
- Would you recommend using Xylene or D-Limomeme for this tek?
- Which steps in this tek need to be done one after the other immediately? Which steps could I take a break after to make sure I haven't messed up?
- Any helpful modifications I should know about?
- Most people seem to recommend vovin's / noman's tek for beginners, why is this?
Thanks for any help guys, I've found sources for all necessary materials but want to make sure I know exactly what I'll be doing once I obtain them.
P.S. I feel like using SWIM is unnecessary and legally won't help, am I being stupid?
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@kemekal: In This Thread you find the different techniques of washing. I am also looking for a wash method atm and that thread is very helpful.
@Nova
-I'm quite sure there will be no differences in yield combined. Maybe you will get more or less with each pull BUT as you pull untill there is no more alkaloid present, this doesn't matter much. Take the tek that you understand best and that suits you best (materials, time etc.)
-My first Extraction followed Q2121's Tek, and I came to the conclusion that NaOH works better for me. Other downside is that its not completely clear, for example Tek 1 + 2 which are basicly the same text copied and changed a tiny bit, which makes it a little confusing to follow imo. Otherwise its fine.
-I used Limonene to Pull with my first extrtaction, I liked it because it smells nice, is organic, food safe and catches all the spice. Naphtha allthough can be freeze-precipitated right after the pull which made it my Solvent of choice. At last I pull with Limo now to get Jungle-Spice and let that Pull sit 3-5 days
-As i understand, you can let the acidified solution sit as long as you want, also after you basified it. the pull should be done quick because the risk of other substances migrating into the solvent. you have to do several pulls anyway
-Start with a small quantity and be confident. Once you understood the procedure, its really quite simple!
-Vovins Tek seems very detailed and Nomans Tek is imo as-simple-as-it-gets
greetings, hope i could help
@Nova
-I'm quite sure there will be no differences in yield combined. Maybe you will get more or less with each pull BUT as you pull untill there is no more alkaloid present, this doesn't matter much. Take the tek that you understand best and that suits you best (materials, time etc.)
-My first Extraction followed Q2121's Tek, and I came to the conclusion that NaOH works better for me. Other downside is that its not completely clear, for example Tek 1 + 2 which are basicly the same text copied and changed a tiny bit, which makes it a little confusing to follow imo. Otherwise its fine.
-I used Limonene to Pull with my first extrtaction, I liked it because it smells nice, is organic, food safe and catches all the spice. Naphtha allthough can be freeze-precipitated right after the pull which made it my Solvent of choice. At last I pull with Limo now to get Jungle-Spice and let that Pull sit 3-5 days
-As i understand, you can let the acidified solution sit as long as you want, also after you basified it. the pull should be done quick because the risk of other substances migrating into the solvent. you have to do several pulls anyway
-Start with a small quantity and be confident. Once you understood the procedure, its really quite simple!
-Vovins Tek seems very detailed and Nomans Tek is imo as-simple-as-it-gets
greetings, hope i could help
Hey guys! I'm pretty much all set for my first extraction just wanted to clarify a few things regarding the solvent. I will go through the Q21Q21's Tek, probably Tek 2, which they say is easier for beginner's. I have my lighter fluid Zippo brand, hope this is ok. Found two different types of paint thinner, synthetic an cellulose, with mainly Xylene and Naphtha and the other Toluene. I've dropped some on 2 different cd's and they evaporate fast but leave loads of a waxy residue, does not seem very promising! I am also looking at benzene, could this one be ok?
Regarding Lime, calcium hydroxide, had to buy 22kg for 5$, it seems they use it here for the marking of football lines!!
Also wanted to congratulate this forum and everybody since I don't think I have ever found a place with so much cooperation and organization!
Thanks for the help!
Peace and Love
Regarding Lime, calcium hydroxide, had to buy 22kg for 5$, it seems they use it here for the marking of football lines!!
Also wanted to congratulate this forum and everybody since I don't think I have ever found a place with so much cooperation and organization!
Thanks for the help!
Peace and Love
I have a question about the BLAB tek
wiki.dmt-nexus.me
In the last step where you convert the acetate to freebase, if you evaporate the IPA without adding in herbs or such, do you just get the dmt in smokable form?
BLAB - The Big Leisurely A/B - DMT-Nexus Wiki
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Mr.White said:
First of all, dont do an evap test on CDs, thats such a bad recommendation, I hope whoever invented that gets a hyperspacial slap
Test with GLASS, evap on a pyrex dish. If that still means something waxy is left over, dont use it.If your solvent contans xylene or toluene, you wont be able to freeze precipitate, and it will pull some more plant oils and (possibly insignificant) traces of other alkaloids, meaning your material will be more waxy/gooey rather than crystals (though it still works).
Benzene is carcinogenic, I wouldnt use that.
Be sure to check the FAQ for other questions you might have.
Maxx said:I have a question about the BLAB tek
In the last step where you convert the acetate to freebase, if you evaporate the IPA without adding in herbs or such, do you just get the dmt in smokable form?BLAB - The Big Leisurely A/B - DMT-Nexus Wiki
Yeah but it might be gooey/waxy so might be hard to weigh and manipulate it.
endlessness said:First of all, dont do an evap test on CDs, thats such a bad recommendation, I hope whoever invented that gets a hyperspacial slap
If your solvent contans xylene or toluene, you wont be able to freeze precipitate, and it will pull some more plant oils and (possibly insignificant) traces of other alkaloids, meaning your material will be more waxy/gooey rather than crystals (though it still works).
Benzene is carcinogenic, I wouldnt use that.
Be sure to check the FAQ for other questions you might have.
Maxx said:I have a question about the BLAB tek
In the last step where you convert the acetate to freebase, if you evaporate the IPA without adding in herbs or such, do you just get the dmt in smokable form?BLAB - The Big Leisurely A/B - DMT-Nexus Wiki
Yeah but it might be gooey/waxy so might be hard to weigh and manipulate it.
Thanks endlessness :thumb_up: meanwhile was able to find white petroleum (pink colored!)which is 99% Naptha, so I guess I solved that solvent issue! I manage to do 2 different tek's with 50 g MHRB each to get the hang of it. Q21Q21's Tek 2 (lime) I was not expecting the difficulty of pulling the Naptha out and came with some MHRB residue. Manage to recrystallize it and put it through some coffee filters and at least they are white as snow. Having some difficulties evaporating the Naptha though. Second tek Noman's is pretty straight forward beautiful crystals but only on the second pull! I guess I will resume both tek's and yields it might be useful to somebody. Thanks again...Peace and Love
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Could one use evaporation for q21q21s tek 2? As an alternative to freeze precipitation?
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Mr White, pink naphtha? What is the pink? Hydrocarbons that typically make up naphtha do not have such color, so there must be something added, be careful with that!
Did you do an evap test?
shaggy.money , yes you can evaporate instead of freeze precipitate, it just might be less pure. You can always recrystallize it as FAQ says later.
Did you do an evap test?
shaggy.money , yes you can evaporate instead of freeze precipitate, it just might be less pure. You can always recrystallize it as FAQ says later.
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spinCycle said:
:lol:
Don't worry, they will be shredded to pieces in hyperspace pretty soon, hehe.
Seriously considering this Tek. Can the jungle spice be used for changa afterwards?
Hello, so I have been attempting a San Pedro extraction following the tek from erowid: Erowid Cacti Vault : San Pedro Alkaloid Extraction
Beginning with 100 g of powdered cactus I boiled in approximately 1 L acidic water (pH = 4.5). I first ran into problems filtering the junk. I even bought a french press, but still could not get any water out. I figured I could simply continue on and once the solution was basic the alkaloids would leave the junk and go into the xylene. So I added approximately 2 g of NaOH making the pH of the junky solution around 9.0. I waited two days then proceeded with extraction with xylene. I added 200 mL of xylene to the solution, mixed, then waited 30 min for separation. I repeated 2 more times. However, after collecting the xylene I tested the pH and found it was around 5.0 and had a slightly yellowish tint. I'm pretty sure I have ruined this batch, but I am proceeding anyway by adding neutral water to collect whatever is in the xylene. But I was hoping someone had some tips for my next attempt. Thanks in advance.
Beginning with 100 g of powdered cactus I boiled in approximately 1 L acidic water (pH = 4.5). I first ran into problems filtering the junk. I even bought a french press, but still could not get any water out. I figured I could simply continue on and once the solution was basic the alkaloids would leave the junk and go into the xylene. So I added approximately 2 g of NaOH making the pH of the junky solution around 9.0. I waited two days then proceeded with extraction with xylene. I added 200 mL of xylene to the solution, mixed, then waited 30 min for separation. I repeated 2 more times. However, after collecting the xylene I tested the pH and found it was around 5.0 and had a slightly yellowish tint. I'm pretty sure I have ruined this batch, but I am proceeding anyway by adding neutral water to collect whatever is in the xylene. But I was hoping someone had some tips for my next attempt. Thanks in advance.
