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slugware
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Hello, travellers! 
Now i'm figuring out how to proceed with freeze precip using Cyb's hybrid salt tek
I have a few flat glass roasting dishes and i've got food cling wrap, but from what i read on the nexus, people are saying food cling wrap cannot seal pretty tight to the dish and it's likely to contaminate the freezer with NPL > the whole fridge. I want to avoid this at any rate.
So.. i see someone's been advised to use pint ball jars. In my country this thing is not commercially available so i have to think up of alternative
There are some glass canning jars with hermetic lid being sold. Can I use some of these for the freeze precip.
For instance like this one
http://i.dir.bg/new_market/addoffers/2012/01/04/10528.jpg
My concern with using jars for that is the significant difference in the surface/ layer thickness ratio as compared to when using flat glass dish? Will that change the precip at some point? Will it frustrate or prevent it?
Other thing that bothers me is scraping the spice off the jar's bottom > not as easy as with flat roasting dish
Now i'm figuring out how to proceed with freeze precip using Cyb's hybrid salt tek
I have a few flat glass roasting dishes and i've got food cling wrap, but from what i read on the nexus, people are saying food cling wrap cannot seal pretty tight to the dish and it's likely to contaminate the freezer with NPL > the whole fridge. I want to avoid this at any rate.
So.. i see someone's been advised to use pint ball jars. In my country this thing is not commercially available so i have to think up of alternative
There are some glass canning jars with hermetic lid being sold. Can I use some of these for the freeze precip.
For instance like this one
http://i.dir.bg/new_market/addoffers/2012/01/04/10528.jpg
My concern with using jars for that is the significant difference in the surface/ layer thickness ratio as compared to when using flat glass dish? Will that change the precip at some point? Will it frustrate or prevent it?
Other thing that bothers me is scraping the spice off the jar's bottom > not as easy as with flat roasting dish
Flat dish is best by far.
The depth of the solvent has little to do with the cool down and xtal formation.
Food wrap can sag if excess moisture is present...an elastic band can rectify this perfectly.
A lid, of any sort, only serves to stop any fumes from rising and contaminating any food stuffs present in the freezer. (ie. If there is no food...a lid is unessesary)
You can place any flat surface on top of the dish if a nice seal can be made.
Jars work but scraping completely is a pain and a half
The depth of the solvent has little to do with the cool down and xtal formation.
Food wrap can sag if excess moisture is present...an elastic band can rectify this perfectly.
A lid, of any sort, only serves to stop any fumes from rising and contaminating any food stuffs present in the freezer. (ie. If there is no food...a lid is unessesary)
You can place any flat surface on top of the dish if a nice seal can be made.
Jars work but scraping completely is a pain and a half
Du57mi73
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Those jars are fine for fine for freeze precip. You will get a powdery spice, little full crystals. The problem of scrape the jars for the spice after is a problem. I end up putting a spoon to it and still have some in the jar and just reabsorb it into naptha for later pulls. Depending on how much oils are in your solvent it mostly will stay suspended in your solvent and can use a coffee filter to get most of your spice though. But I think its worth it to do it this way instead of contaminating everything.
inaniel
mas alla del mar
i have a question posted i another thread, if anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it
inaniel
mas alla del mar
^ same question as above.
Is that vinegar? Oil? IPA?
moar information please.
Is that vinegar? Oil? IPA?
moar information please.
inaniel
mas alla del mar
well, i had finished this step of the tek
"Step 1: Pour some vinegar into the container with the solvent. About 1 shot-glass full.
Step 2: Seal the container and agitate it a bunch. I prefers to use the turning-the-doorknob method to agitate as shaking sometimes causes leakage. There is sometimes a small bubbly layer of emulsion that take a long time to resolve.
Agitate it and the top layer, the solvent, will start to cloud with DMT-acetate floating around. over a period of at least 2 minutes, for the process to complete. Don't leave it for over 10 minutes because after a while oils and gunk can migrate to the vinegar/water
Step 3: Use a turkey baster to suck out the vinegar (bottom layer) and transfer it to a separate clean container.
If you don't get all the vinegar don't worry.
Step 4:Next add a shot or two of hot tap water to the solvent, and agitate it for about a minute.
Step 5: Use a turkey baster again to suck out the water and combine it with the vinegar"
from q21q21. not sure what i did wrong
"Step 1: Pour some vinegar into the container with the solvent. About 1 shot-glass full.
Step 2: Seal the container and agitate it a bunch. I prefers to use the turning-the-doorknob method to agitate as shaking sometimes causes leakage. There is sometimes a small bubbly layer of emulsion that take a long time to resolve.
Agitate it and the top layer, the solvent, will start to cloud with DMT-acetate floating around. over a period of at least 2 minutes, for the process to complete. Don't leave it for over 10 minutes because after a while oils and gunk can migrate to the vinegar/water
Step 3: Use a turkey baster to suck out the vinegar (bottom layer) and transfer it to a separate clean container.
If you don't get all the vinegar don't worry.
Step 4:Next add a shot or two of hot tap water to the solvent, and agitate it for about a minute.
Step 5: Use a turkey baster again to suck out the water and combine it with the vinegar"
from q21q21. not sure what i did wrong
So is that top layer your oil and that bottom layer the water (and/or vinegar) that you added?
I'm still confused as to exactly what is in the image.
What's happening in those steps is that your oil should be full of freebase DMT from the previous steps (basing with lime and pulling into the solvent). By adding the vinegar you are causing the DMT to turn into a salt form (DMT acetate to be precise) and migrate to the lower vinegar layer, by adding water after that you are getting the rest of the DMT acetate that didn't go into the first vinegar pull to move into the water.
You are going to want to make a few pulls this way and combine them, then you evaporate this vinegar/water mix to a goo which you will mix with sodium carbonate to form a paste and either pull into alcohol or wash with water to obtain freebase DMT.
Does that make sense?
I'm still confused as to exactly what is in the image.
What's happening in those steps is that your oil should be full of freebase DMT from the previous steps (basing with lime and pulling into the solvent). By adding the vinegar you are causing the DMT to turn into a salt form (DMT acetate to be precise) and migrate to the lower vinegar layer, by adding water after that you are getting the rest of the DMT acetate that didn't go into the first vinegar pull to move into the water.
You are going to want to make a few pulls this way and combine them, then you evaporate this vinegar/water mix to a goo which you will mix with sodium carbonate to form a paste and either pull into alcohol or wash with water to obtain freebase DMT.
Does that make sense?
The Unknowing
Life is a dream, the heart a compass
Hey Guys,
Just doing an A/B extraction with vinegar/sodium carbonate/limonene.
First two pulls with limonene separated very well and were put in jar 2 to be salted.
3rd pull was shook a little more vigorously and now there are three layers, a tiny amount of limonene/frothy mid-layer/basic solution.
It stole around 250mL of limonene!
Is it simply a matter of adding more sodium carbonate? Because I added enough so that no more would dissolve.
Just doing an A/B extraction with vinegar/sodium carbonate/limonene.
First two pulls with limonene separated very well and were put in jar 2 to be salted.
3rd pull was shook a little more vigorously and now there are three layers, a tiny amount of limonene/frothy mid-layer/basic solution.
It stole around 250mL of limonene!
Is it simply a matter of adding more sodium carbonate? Because I added enough so that no more would dissolve.
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DreaMTripper
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No dont add any more too much causes a messy disaster add non-iodised and ANTI CAKING AGENT free salt then put it in a warm (not hot) water bath.
inaniel
mas alla del mar
it does make sense. should all of the oil be out at this point? i think i still have too much oil though that i wasn't able to get out with the turkey baster.dreamer042 said:
here's the thread i posted regarding which tek i used, i followed the exact stepsDu57mi73 said:
the pictures are what i have after step four. i will do a search on what it means to basify and pull with clean NPS, i'm very novice to this process. thanks guys.
Du57mi73
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Yes. Once you have salted out your spice with vinegar then all your dmt will be in the vinegar. At this point you need to remove all oil from the vinegar. The best way is to just baste out the vinegar from the bottom and put it into another container. Then you need to add a base(lye, lime, soda carb) until it has reached ph 13. Then you can add a clean nonpolar solvent such as naptha or xylene and agitate it. Your cleaned dmt will then go into your nonpolar solvent and then you just freeze or evaporate and you're done. I just did this exact procedure last night.
I just did this exact procedure last night.
@Du57mi73
Actually he is looking to do a foodsafe tek that avoids using solvents such as naphtha and xylene. You seem to be working on the assumption he is doing a standard a/b style tek, when he is actually working a food-safe dry tek, which is a completely different procedure.
@inaniel
You should have all the oil from that first pull out into the separate jar. It should have been easy to pour off your "thick oatmeal" mixture of lime/bark. Usually oil is too thick to pour through a coffee or cottonball filter. You should have ended up in step 2 with what is basically a solid clump of the bark and lime and that should have been swimming in the liquid oil after step 3. Then you simply pour off the liquid oil leaving the (semi) solid clump of bark/lime behind.
Don't worry if you didn't get all the oil, you'll be able to work with that on your next pull. At this point you want to add your vinegar to the oil you have pulled off and mix it together with the oil well. The layers will separate and the dmt will move to the vinegar layer at the bottom, you will want to remove the vinegar layer (I usually pour the oil off the top into a separate jar and then pull the rest off with the baster trying to leave only the vinegar layer with a little oil as possible on top of it in the original jar). Then following your tek as outlined you will add water to the oil just like you did with the vinegar and separate again. This time you will want to mix the water with the vinegar.
At this point just set your vinegar/water mix to the side and go back to step 3 and pull into some oil again (you can reuse the oil you used before or use fresh oil). Then you will repeat everything again (pour the oil off the lime/bark mixture, add vinegar and separate, add water and separate) You will want to combine all the vinegar and water pulls from the oil together into one big jar, in the end you will boil all this down to a goo and then convert it to freebase as per steps a or b in the tek you are following.
So you want make 3-4 pulls from the bark/lime mix into the oil. Then for each of those oil pulls you will want to do 2-3 of the vinegar-water pulls from the oil. In the end you will combine all of the vinegar-water pulls and proceed to steps a or b (evaporating to a goo and freebasing with sodium carbonate).
Sorry that's a lot of info, I hope that kinda helps to clarify and doesn't just confuse things more lol. Let me know if anything about that doesn't make sense.
Actually he is looking to do a foodsafe tek that avoids using solvents such as naphtha and xylene. You seem to be working on the assumption he is doing a standard a/b style tek, when he is actually working a food-safe dry tek, which is a completely different procedure.
@inaniel
You should have all the oil from that first pull out into the separate jar. It should have been easy to pour off your "thick oatmeal" mixture of lime/bark. Usually oil is too thick to pour through a coffee or cottonball filter. You should have ended up in step 2 with what is basically a solid clump of the bark and lime and that should have been swimming in the liquid oil after step 3. Then you simply pour off the liquid oil leaving the (semi) solid clump of bark/lime behind.
Don't worry if you didn't get all the oil, you'll be able to work with that on your next pull. At this point you want to add your vinegar to the oil you have pulled off and mix it together with the oil well. The layers will separate and the dmt will move to the vinegar layer at the bottom, you will want to remove the vinegar layer (I usually pour the oil off the top into a separate jar and then pull the rest off with the baster trying to leave only the vinegar layer with a little oil as possible on top of it in the original jar). Then following your tek as outlined you will add water to the oil just like you did with the vinegar and separate again. This time you will want to mix the water with the vinegar.
At this point just set your vinegar/water mix to the side and go back to step 3 and pull into some oil again (you can reuse the oil you used before or use fresh oil). Then you will repeat everything again (pour the oil off the lime/bark mixture, add vinegar and separate, add water and separate) You will want to combine all the vinegar and water pulls from the oil together into one big jar, in the end you will boil all this down to a goo and then convert it to freebase as per steps a or b in the tek you are following.
So you want make 3-4 pulls from the bark/lime mix into the oil. Then for each of those oil pulls you will want to do 2-3 of the vinegar-water pulls from the oil. In the end you will combine all of the vinegar-water pulls and proceed to steps a or b (evaporating to a goo and freebasing with sodium carbonate).
Sorry that's a lot of info, I hope that kinda helps to clarify and doesn't just confuse things more lol. Let me know if anything about that doesn't make sense.
inaniel
mas alla del mar
thanks for taking the time to type all of it out, make a lot of sense!
i was trying to take the water out of the water/vinegar combination with a turkey baster as well. didn't know i could boil this down to a goo. there's also still visible amounts of oil left in this mixture that i wasn't able to remove properly. hope it isn't too late to remove this, but i get the feeling it might be. may just give the tek another shot, your explanations made my understanding of the tek a lot more clear.
i was trying to take the water out of the water/vinegar combination with a turkey baster as well. didn't know i could boil this down to a goo. there's also still visible amounts of oil left in this mixture that i wasn't able to remove properly. hope it isn't too late to remove this, but i get the feeling it might be. may just give the tek another shot, your explanations made my understanding of the tek a lot more clear.
Du57mi73
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If you have any doubts you can always just throw it all back in to a new mix and start the process over.
Yea, I understood his original use of foodsafeness, but I wasn't sure if that was his goal, just his availabilty. If that's the case how do you intend to receive your final product? Even after basing with sodium carbonate how will you retreive your spice?
Yea, I understood his original use of foodsafeness, but I wasn't sure if that was his goal, just his availabilty. If that's the case how do you intend to receive your final product? Even after basing with sodium carbonate how will you retreive your spice?
dooby
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Hello,
I'm about to start a new experiment/extraction and I have been thinking about something and would like some feedback from my fellow Nexians...
180 gr mhrb, normally one would say: 3 jars, each with 60 gr mhrb, 600-900 ml water, 50 cl vinegar, 50 gr NaCl, 50 gr NaOH...
Could it mess up my extraction if I went: 180 gr in one jar, 800 ml water, 50 cl vinegar, 50 gr NaCl, 50 gr NaOH, leave it for a while (cell lysis) then divide it into 3 jars and add water until each jar contains 600-900 ml? I may add an extra 35 gr of NaCl to each jar (to keep ionic strength up to par)...
I read somewhere that when scaling up an extraction, one should use amounts of vinegar, lye etc relative to the amount of liquid rather than the amount of bark, hence my question...
Adding the water afterwards after dividing into three jars shouldn't influence the pH too much, the tap water where I live has a pH of 6.7/6.8...
But if this should be a recipe for disaster, it would be nice to know
PLUR
PS No, it's not so much about saving vinegar and lye, but about convenience and efficiency...
I'm about to start a new experiment/extraction and I have been thinking about something and would like some feedback from my fellow Nexians...
180 gr mhrb, normally one would say: 3 jars, each with 60 gr mhrb, 600-900 ml water, 50 cl vinegar, 50 gr NaCl, 50 gr NaOH...
Could it mess up my extraction if I went: 180 gr in one jar, 800 ml water, 50 cl vinegar, 50 gr NaCl, 50 gr NaOH, leave it for a while (cell lysis) then divide it into 3 jars and add water until each jar contains 600-900 ml? I may add an extra 35 gr of NaCl to each jar (to keep ionic strength up to par)...
I read somewhere that when scaling up an extraction, one should use amounts of vinegar, lye etc relative to the amount of liquid rather than the amount of bark, hence my question...
Adding the water afterwards after dividing into three jars shouldn't influence the pH too much, the tap water where I live has a pH of 6.7/6.8...
But if this should be a recipe for disaster, it would be nice to know
PLUR
PS No, it's not so much about saving vinegar and lye, but about convenience and efficiency...
I reckon that would work just fine :thumb_up:doobydoo said:
You can always add a pinch more lye if it feels too dilute.
(but why not just 3 separate, simultaneous extractions...each with their own ingredients?...more efficient than messy divisions.)
