Oh, how happy I am

[Soy sauce]

I guess there might be a few questions in here, but.. it's more just for me to vent my happiness.

So, I started a STB extraction, with mhrb, of course, close to two months ago. I did four pulls, and got out a good bit of dmt. I messed up the first time, and redisolved my product back into the filter. I thought all hope was lost. Re-submerged it in some naptha, and went ahead and did the rest of the usual steps.

Low and behold, I had about .7g of sweet, pretty dmt. After re-xing.

I left some naptha in the jar I was using, and left that alone since. Basically being in awe that I, ME, actually made this stuff. Myself. It took me a while to build up the courage to test it out. And, get over this nasty cold I had.

I went, and checked my jar out again earlier last week. I figgured, why not, let's try and pull some more out of this. Because, from everything I've read, it's quite possible. ( i was using around 120g of mhrb, so, you see where I'm coming from.)

Syphoned out the naptha that was sitting there, for about a month, and decided to pour somemore in, and re do it, once, maybe twice more. Now, I used the same naptha I've been using this whole time too, so, of course, some dmt should still be floating around in there too.
Two pulls later, I threw that in the freezer. Regular house freezer, so.. it takes a little longer to fully xtalize. Waited about four days total, and I had a nice little snow globe effect going on.

It seems, like I got maybe .3 or so out of it. :d All smiles at this point.

The more I've been reading, I've come to find out that when you gently blow on the naptha, if there's still anything left floating in there, the liquid would become slightly cloudy, is that right?

I had left a pulls worth of naptha in a pyrex measuring cup, and almost completely forgot about it. When I started re-pulling, I noticed that cup had something in it.. but it didn't look like liquid. I had little shards growing. Even happier!

Now, I wanted to also, try to evap some of the left over naptha, that I was almost positive had some spice left in it. I left a heating pad underneath it. A human one. Left it on low, and came back ina few hours. I noticed, most of the naptha had evap'd at this point. WOW, this is easy!

I left it there for another half hour, and came back down. There was a strooong smell of spice in the air, pretty much only over the pan I was using to evap with. That was a pyrex baking dish too. I thought, shit.. I totally messed up here, and now all I smell is spice, and there's.. almost a film, covering most of the bottom of the dish. I left that alone for a few days, hoping it might xtalize itself. Came back, and no go. The remaining naptha seemed to have evap'd off, but, I was left with a, slightly off color, heavy spice smelling, oily substance. I thought, maybe I should try throwing a shard that grew in the measuring cup in there, semi-remembering somewhere I read that putting xtals in saturated substances usually helps in xtalization. Left that alone for a few days too, and came back. No go. It seemed to degrade some, and revert into a semi oily, semi shard peice. Now.. I've seen that this is possibly -oxide? I know there's still some fatty acids, or whatever those are called, from the long pull from the jar.

Could I get some warm naptha, and try to redisolve that substance in it, slightly evap, and freeze precipitate it? Would it turn back into xtals, or would it just stay in the form it is? I'm thinking if that's the case, I'd just re-x it, boiling water, stove off, putting glass container in said water, and decant it from the nasties that fall out.
Does.. that seem appropriate?

And, when I evap, heating the naptha isn't such a good idea? I've never been 100% clear on that. And when I say evap, I mean a full evap. Not just partial.
Would a partial evap with heat, and than a freeze precip work well?

I've got most of the techniques down pretty good, I just can't, seem to put them in the right order. After the fact.

See.. :lol: I knew questions were going to come out, eventually.
Thanks for reading, if you've made it this far. And, thanks for partaking in my happiness!

I just love doing this kind of thing.. regardless of what substances I plan to get. It feels so wonderful, making your own.

 

[anrchy]

I would dissolve the DMT smelling oily stuff in a SMALL amount of warm naptha, into a small container, like a tiny/small glass measuring cup or shot glass, cover, place in fridge for an hour, then freezer. Is your freezer on its coldest setting?

 

[Soy sauce]

Thanks. I was hoping that was the best bet. I'll get that stuff in the freezer as soon as possible.

And yea, my freezer won't go any lower. I mean.. I'm sure most all of it was out around the 48hr mark, but, I guess I keep it in there longer just in case. To see if I can squeeze a little more out.

 

[anrchy]

Also, if your freezer is packed with a ton of stuff it will effect the temperature a little. If that's the case try clearing out some space so the freezer can circulate better.

Has anyone thought of placing the freeze precip container onto a block of dry ice while inside the freezer for those with inadequate ones? Dry ice is at around -109° which is way colder than is needed, but I wonder if there would be any downfalls or benefits to trying this. One thing, you wouldn't need to leave it in there for nearly as long. Probably 12 hours would be plenty (if you had it dry ice cold) I assume.

 

[Soy sauce]

That makes sense.. Sometimes those vents in the back do get blocked. I'm getting a few smaller jars too, to be able to put in the freezer, closer to the vents themselves.

I would love to try that with some dry ice.. I know of a place that sells, but, it's close to an hour away.
If I had alot more to work with though.. That might be a really good idea. I'd assume if the glass was strong enough, there wouldn't be any problems.

 

[Soy sauce]

Alrighty then.

I warmed up some naptha, and then I poured it slowly over the goo that remained. Most of it, you could see, disolving right back into the naptha. I moved the naptha over to a shot glass, and got every last bit in there. Now, there's a little bit of, sludge, down on the bottom.

My new question. Should I, just throw it all in the freezer, and wait for my mini snow globe? Or, should I syphon the remaining naptha out of this shot glass and put it into another one, leaving the sludge behind? I already know the sludge isn't good, but, I was wondering if there would be any spice still stuck in it?
And, if I syphoned it away from that shot glass into another, I'd gently warm it somemore as well. Boil water, place shot glass into water, wait for naptha to heat up. Thennnn syphon.
I'm probably going to clean it that way either way, but, should I do it before, or after I freeze?

 

[anrchy]

Alrighty then.

I warmed up some naptha, and then I poured it slowly over the goo that remained. Most of it, you could see, disolving right back into the naptha. I moved the naptha over to a shot glass, and got every last bit in there. Now, there's a little bit of, sludge, down on the bottom.

My new question. Should I, just throw it all in the freezer, and wait for my mini snow globe? Or, should I syphon the remaining naptha out of this shot glass and put it into another one, leaving the sludge behind? I already know the sludge isn't good, but, I was wondering if there would be any spice still stuck in it?
And, if I syphoned it away from that shot glass into another, I'd gently warm it somemore as well. Boil water, place shot glass into water, wait for naptha to heat up. Thennnn syphon.
I'm probably going to clean it that way either way, but, should I do it before, or after I freeze?

I would do it one of two ways.

1. place the shot glass you already filled into freezer, then after it precips, pour that naphtha off and use it for the sludge.

2. or warm new naphtha and do what you did the first time, but this time for the sludge.

You could re-x the DMT that comes from the sludge, or keep it separate and try it out.

 

[Soy sauce]

The more I've been reading, it seems that this 'sludge' I have, could possibly be quite active as well.
I don't think there's any lye or bark in there.

I think I'll end up keeping the sludge seperate, and test that stuff out when I can fully dry it. I've read, when you blow gently on naptha, if there's still some goodies left, it'll get slightly cloudy. The sludge even becomes a little cloudy/white when I blow on it. I'm not saying it's proof positive that there's stuff in there, but, it seems like it might be so.

Thanks for all the advice anrchy. I appreciate it. Alot.

I think I'm going to freeze it all, than seperate the goodies. Your #1. It'll take a day or two. But, when that's done, I think I'd like to test this sludge out. See what it's all about. It all strongly smelt of spice, so, even after most of it precips out, I'm sure something'll be left over in that goop.
I figgured out a new place in the freezer as well. One, closer to the vents, so maybe that'll help the freeze go a little quicker.

And, I think it taking usually four days for me, has something to do with the amount of naptha I'm trying to precip in. After I did my last freeze, which this OP was mainly about, I strained, and left that naptha for the night. When I came back, I decided to blow in it too, and see if there was still any clouds forming. And, boy was there. That's basically proof to me that I've been using to much. If my last freeze has half the naptha in it, I'm sure there would have been alot more spice to collect.

Just to let you know.
I've been using about 100ml of naptha per pull(total mhrb count was 122g), and when it goes into the freezer I usually combine two pulls into one. So, 200ml per freeze. It never seemed like to much, because the first few times I go so much from it. But, now that I re-look at all of my naptha, it's apparent there's still something left in there.

I think I may start to utilize this evap method, but just enough to maybe, half, my original naptha.

It's almost rediculous how much I thought I knew before, just from reading. And now, after doing just one full extraction, I've already noted, and made changes as to what I'm going to do next time. I've already learned so much more. More than any tek could begin to explain. The teks are great, don't get me wrong. But, they just can't teach you every little thing. Every little bit that only experience can teach.
You guys were already friends, way before I even joined this community. You let me learn so much, about so many things.
And then, after my first xtal hatched, I finally decided to join. I've taken so much knowledge from here, the least I could do was join up, and give back what experience I've gained with it all.
I can feel this place sucking me in. And I'm not fighting it:d .

 

[Soy sauce]

And.. might I add, how funny it is that you're avatar would be what it is. It's kind of hard to explain, or understand, maybe, unless you're me. But, that game, is everywhere for me. I have most all of them(the old ones), shirts for days with mario, and other related characters, things all over the place with mario, or the mushrooms, on them.

The first time I really figgured out how to vape the spice, half way through my journey, all I could hear were coins, 1up noises, and the growing noise when he eats a mushroom. I found that weird, at all, because mario hasn't been popping up as much lately. And out of nowhere, 1up. And then loops of each.

I never really paid much attention to your avatar, for no particular reason either, but then, scrolling down and down, seeing it repeat, made me re-realize? Or something.

Lol.. strange.. I know.
:roll:

 

[anrchy]

awesome man good luck!

The less naphtha the better, i wouldnt ever combine 2 pulls together, in fact a lot of teks say NOT to do this. You can also, pre-evap some of the naphtha to reduce it down in size. using less naphtha will probably also speed up the process at which you are freeze precipitating.

Also what do you freeze precip in? Pyrex baking dish? You want more surface area IMO to get more to crystallize.

lol, I have mario sounds as my ring and text tones on my phone. its fun.

 

[Soy sauce]

At first I was using some mason jars.. but those got slightly annoying, due to the neck not being one with the sides. I ended up getting some slightly smaller, but, wider bottomed jelly jars.
I can see what you mean about the pyrex dish being alot better. Spreads out the naptha nice and evenly. Over alooot of space. My freezer just doesn't have that kind of open space:thumb_dow , it's always to full.
And I have some mario ringtones too.

EDIT: While I'm waiting for the naptha to evap, would it be a good idea to gently warm the naptha, and help speed up the process, or.. is this what created my goop in the first place?

 

[anrchy]

your doing an evap for reduction right? Do not use heat to increase evaporization.

Two things. Some people save their naphtha and some do a full evap after all the pulls are done. This is up to you, but if you do a full evap that's how you get the gooey stuff. I think it's plant fats and oils and other alkaloids and DMT. So after you've freeze precip. The naphtha and aren't getting any more DMT to crash out then you can set it out, with a fan indirectly blowing, and scrape up what you find. I would also keep that seperate from your white stuff.

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

Recrystallizing on here using bestine is a MUST!!!

1.) You only need 30ml per gram of DMT, so a 4oz can will go a long long way!

2.) The amount of money for bestine you should consider will cost maybe $8 - $15 only...

3.) Bestine is THEE purest way to guarantee a super pure product

4.) gets rid of the plastic taste and kinda smooths it out

5.) Not harsh on your lungs

6.) solvent smells much better and is more breathable

7.) precipitates faster!

8.) Evaporates faster

9.) did I mention its the best way to guarantee a super pure product?

So forget the Sodium Carb wash wasting away your spice, with BESTINE!

 

[Soy sauce]

Some people save their naphtha and some do a full evap after all the pulls are done. This is up to you, but if you do a full evap that's how you get the gooey stuff. I think it's plant fats and oils and other alkaloids and DMT.

I'm totally starting to understand this all now. All the left over stuff, like you said, the oils, fats, other alkaloids, that's more or less what the goo itself is made of, and, a little spice, of course. It's possible all that stuff could have an effect, making the trip quite different, nothing at all, just more stuff to vape/burn, or, ill effects on yourself. Which, from everything I've read, seems to be nil.
Not having to many worries about that goopy stuff now.

The pyrex measuring cup I talked about in the op, I decided to finally harvest all the lovely xtals that had been forming in there. Side note.. no more evaping in that cup, the sides and bottom are to uneven to be able to get everything off. Granted, I forgot about even leaving anything in there to begin with. Oh well.:d
I ended up getting around 250mgs of big, nice looking xtals. They're BEAUTIFUL. And I honestly don't want to vape them. lol.
Would I be able to, though? Just toss in a decent sized one(weighed of course)? Or would it be smarter to chop it up, and go the normal way?

I ended up taking out my other batch, from the goo mishap, and tried to get all that out. I, grabbed that, and the pyrex cup, and decided to work on both at the same time. I filtered out the naptha from the frozen one, and set that upside down for a while. I flipped it over, and kept working on the cup, grabbing the best xtals I could. I went back to the shot glass, the frozen one, and, it ended up all melting, and pooling on the bottom, over the goop.
I just rewarmed the naptha, that was still cloudy.. actually, and poured it back in gently. Re-freezing. Kinda sad I messed that up so easily. Normally though, I knock off all the xtals, and filter it all at once, then dry that way. Might go back, until I get better freeze options.

 

[Soy sauce]

So.. after RE freezing, due to me trying to do to many things at once and most of the xtals disolving back into the left over naptha, I came back with around .3mgs.

That goop, that's been in the freezer this whole time too. Almost exactly the same thing happened to it. (I tried to take both of them out and do them at the same time, and then got distracted..) I actually got quite a bit of xtals forming on the sides of the glass, and, a bunch of yellow, goop-ish/crystal-ish stuff. Quite strong smelling. About another .3 there too. I threw a fully formed shard in there, from the other evap I accidentally did. It seemed to get a little bit thicker, but now it's tainted yellow as well. No real issue there, was just trying to see if it would help xtalization any.

When I leave the goop alone, after it's been spread out some, it tends to 'dry' out.. or, at least it looks like it does. Once I scrape it up, and move it around, it becomes almost, oily. Oozing out stuff. But there's always a dried up film where it was. Scrape that, and it's surprisingly white.
Weird stuff.

I noticed that all of the naptha I was using was still clouding up on me.. so I decided to put all of that together, and evap it down some. See what comes out of there.
I have some more out, evaping down already, and another half pull left in the mhrb solution, hoping it'll draw anything that's left out.

Adding everything up, I've gotten about 1.5g already, and that's not the last of it, I'm sure. I only used 122g of mhrb, so, I'm already pulling ahead of the 1% mark, however small it may be.

Still quite happy. :roll:

 

[anrchy]

awesome dude

 

[Soy sauce]

awesome dude

Thanks.


New.. questions. Possibly.

So, after leaving the left over naptha in the freezer for a few days, nothing has precipitated from it. Leaving me to believe that there's still to much naptha in there, and not enough xtals to fully form. I'd like to take that out, and let it evap some before I try and put it back in again.

My evap, is still going nicely, and when I blow on it now, it clouds up like nobodies business. But.. there's an overwhelming smell of dmt coming off of it. Now, I didn't use any heat this time, or anything, to try to quicken the evap process. Is this normal? Should it be smelling that strongly? That might just mean that all the dmt is gathering together, in the little bit of naptha that's left, and, it's almost to full?

I guess, what I'm asking is, when you're evaping, and there's a little bit of naptha left, does it start to give off that odor? I can totally still smell the naptha, because it's still there, but, it just seems weird, how strongly the dmt smell is.
Hope I didn't unintentionally screw something up.