Opinions on this root bark material!!!!!!!!!!!

[hardonfordrums]

okay so i basically harvested some rootbark of the mimosa hostilis tree today.

Now i have confirmed fully that it is what it is... Seed pods.. Leaves.. Flowers.. Basic overall appearance.

here are some pics unfortunately i do not have a pic of the full tree...

BUT what you see on google under the search "mimosa hostilis tree pics" is what i saw. Single handedly no doubt.

I do have a pic of the sproutings that were surrounding the tree and a pic of me peeling the root bark off the root stem.

http://i47.tinypic.com/rr1bht.jpg

^the root/rootbark

http://i47.tinypic.com/1jkmms.jpg

^the sprouting directly next to it (eaiser to confirm this then taking a distant pic of the actual tree with less detail)


I would like to see if any one had these same results, or just plain feedback.

The spirits guided me to this.

 

[hardonfordrums]

And i will add once more, that it is indeed mimosa hostilis. I have done far to much of my own research to disprove this. It's basically in my face.

& Just wondering why the rootbark in the case is white. I was thinking it could be age of the tree / region.

 

[dreamer042]

Keep in mind there are over 400 different species under the genus mimosa, many of which look very similar to one another, as well as other look-a-likes. Some larger and clearer photos of the tree and it's foliage and flowers would help with identification.

Please do not ingest anything extracted from a plant you have not 100% positively identified.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Some larger and clearer photos of the tree and it's foliage and flowers would help with identification.

This.

At a glance, from your single, small, low-res image, the complex leaves look to be evenly pinnate, with alternate leaflets and lacking a terminal leaflet on every leaf, indicating it may not be what you think it is. Additionally, you should take a picture of the actual tree so we can be sure of the ID of the plant you are actually extracting from.

Finally, where is this tree located? What's the general region of what country?

 

[Vodsel]

I concur with Snozzleberry. The second image is too small, but even so, I'm quite sure these leaves are not mimosa hostilis.

 

[hardonfordrums]

its a mimosa from tx. the flowers are a stringy fluffy pink, the leaves are long with small ribbed pedals, and the seed pods look like green pea pods. i know this sounds bad but i dont think i will be able to get a picture seeing that my friend is now out of my area and it would be weird to just show up without her there. but i give an accurate description. it might be a too good to be true situation. i know how to properly identify. it could just possibly be a close relative of the mimosa hostilis. but for one moment lets just assume it is the alkaloid rich mimosa, could the root bark possibly white?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

its a mimosa from tx.

Mimosa tenuiflora (M. hostilis) does not naturally occur in the US.

the flowers are a stringy fluffy pink, the leaves are long with small ribbed pedals, and the seed pods look like green pea pods.

M. tenuiflora has white flowers. I already gave my feedback on the leaves in my earlier post.

it could just possibly be a close relative of the mimosa hostilis. but for one moment lets just assume it is the alkaloid rich mimosa, could the root bark possibly white?

Based on the picture and your description, I would be willing to bet this is a "false mimosa", Albizia julibrissin, which occurs in numerous counties throughout Tx. Why would we assume it to be the "alkaloid rich mimosa" when that appears to not be the case? Would it not make more sense that the rootbark is the wrong color for M. tenuiflora because the tree in question is not M. tenuiflora, but a different plant, as indicated by its geographic location and morphology?

 

[hardonfordrums]

yes it mainly comes from s. america. so you are saying all mimosa hostilis or teniflura used for its root bark has white flowers? I was putting it in perspective to see if anyone has had these results, no need to come off that way. this seemed a slighty better than harvesting my entire bayou of phalaris acr. for almost nothing.

 

[hardonfordrums]

turns out its albizia julibrissin. guess my gut was wrong on this one. well the excitement was fun while it lasted as you all think im an idiot

 

[SnozzleBerry]

yes it mainly comes from s. america.

My point was that if you are finding trees growing in the wild in the US, they are almost unquestionably not M. tenuiflora/hostilis.

so you are saying all mimosa hostilis or teniflura used for its root bark has white flowers?

Yes, it is a morphological trait of the species in question. Not to be a jackass, but you have stated and re-iterated that you know how to ID...I'm confused as to what's in question here.

I was putting it in perspective to see if anyone has had these results, no need to come off that way. this seemed a slighty better than harvesting my entire bayou of phalaris acr. for almost nothing.

I don't understand some of this...putting what in perspective? I apologize if I came off in a manner that upset you, that was not my intention. I'm just trying to answer your questions. As to harvesting this or phalaris...there's no point in harvesting any plant that does not contain DMT if your goal is to extract DMT from it.

Additionally, wild phalaris does not have a clean alkaloid profile. As such, extracting and ingesting/smoking anything from wild phalaris may be seriously hazardous to your health. You have no clue what potentially toxic compounds could be in your grass. Why not just purchase some mhrb from a reliable vendor?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

turns out its albizia julibrissin. guess my gut was wrong on this one. well the excitement was fun while it lasted as you all think im an idiot

No worries, it's an understandable mistake (they call it "false mimosa" for a reason)...dichotomous keys are often better at ID'ing plants than guts or spirits

Check out the supplier subforum if you want to find a reliable vendor. Generally speaking, mhrb is harvested sustainably and is not too pricey.

 

[hardonfordrums]

i mean i could get 100g root bark no prob. but im broke/more interested in finding sources here in tx. lesson learned. but phalaris brachystachys seems promising at supposedly 1-3% if it was as easy to find.

 

[a1pha]

but phalaris brachystachys seems promising at supposedly 1-3% if it was as easy to find.

In case you missed it:

Additionally, wild phalaris does not have a clean alkaloid profile. As such, extracting and ingesting/smoking anything from wild phalaris may be seriously hazardous to your health. You have no clue what potentially toxic compounds could be in your grass.

 

[Leon Trout]

if broke is really the problem, keep in mind that hospital visits are very expensive... please don't hurt yourself extracting from untested bullshit... get 5 friends to kick in 10 bucks apiece & order a pound of mhrb... you'll have plenty to go around & no one has do die or anything similar...

if wanting to pick the plants yourself is the dealio, order some cactus seeds & start a garden... Tejas oughta be good for that...

 

[hardonfordrums]

nope sure didnt. im aware of the consequences. but its free. and that is potentially higher concentrations than mhrb or at least the same, plus there are reports on erowid already with using 40g in a wheatgrass juicer combined with b. cappi which was nothing but sucessful.

 

[a1pha]

nope sure didnt. im aware of the consequences. but its free.

 

[Leon Trout]

your preference for "free" over "safe" is kind of disturbing, to me at least... you do realize that glassware, solvents, etc. are going to cost you something as well?.. i admire a little bit of fiscal frugality, but come on man... be reasonable & be safe...

 

[hardonfordrums]

thanks for the concern. but like i said, p. brachystachys is reported on erowid. guess not all are open to phalaris but at 1-3% i feel it needs further investigation. thats 1 oz per kilo at least, with bad tek

 

[Leon Trout]

you'll reconsider that attitude when you extract from phalaris & get a big ol' dose of 5-Meo instead of N,N... seriously man, erowid is pretty notoriously not the place for actual scientific research... & as far as more research being needed on phalaris, you are correct... here's a good bit of said research, courtesy of one of our faithful mods:

The Phalaris Analysis Thread

good luck with all yr endeavors...

 

[hardonfordrums]

thanks for the link. i find 5-meo-dmt and 5-ho-dmt interesting.