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our universe doesn't exist?
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Rrryan
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I struggled with these things mightily, particuarlly in the beginning. But the trip that I was blessed with that dealt with those thoughts the best went like this -
Took ayahuadca
Oh my God I'm messed up - zero intent, open
Amazing pareterns - they become more real - how can this be
Goddess shows up
"I love you. Nothing really makes sense. You wouldn't understand anyways. Just enjoy evrything. I love you"
Space
Pretty patterns
And really, that was my last Great trip. It's the only one that I can think of now that means much to me at this point.
Took ayahuadca
Oh my God I'm messed up - zero intent, open
Amazing pareterns - they become more real - how can this be
Goddess shows up
"I love you. Nothing really makes sense. You wouldn't understand anyways. Just enjoy evrything. I love you"
Space
Pretty patterns
And really, that was my last Great trip. It's the only one that I can think of now that means much to me at this point.
Aweems
Wisdom
I remember I went through an "it's all bullsh*t" period..
The moment of realization in a way, if you wanna call it that, lol.
Where you feel as if you "already know", and nothing else really matters in "life"..
Just living this crazy trial over and over again. Then the big ole "faith" stepped in
And told me to get my mind off of it.. That 13 in the sky? Lol.
I'm just rambling on this interesting post though, I love everyone's feedback.
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The moment of realization in a way, if you wanna call it that, lol.
Where you feel as if you "already know", and nothing else really matters in "life"..
Just living this crazy trial over and over again. Then the big ole "faith" stepped in
And told me to get my mind off of it.. That 13 in the sky? Lol.
I'm just rambling on this interesting post though, I love everyone's feedback.
I
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Rising Star
Maybe your it :lol: I think we all have had that terrifying thought
bluedavalo
Rising Star
worded perfect for the same thought experience Iv had Im a stoned "Sam" to
@rootsie I do find the idea alienating and I don't want to have the same experience again, which I why I hope to be better prepared for it.
Rationally it bothers me, but emotionally not really. I was trying to speak from the perspective of dmt-me, so that all that I would want to know during my next dmt trip would have been answered.
Rationally it bothers me, but emotionally not really. I was trying to speak from the perspective of dmt-me, so that all that I would want to know during my next dmt trip would have been answered.
Froglet
Rising Star
Interesting to read this thread - I've never used DMT but during my one and only experience drinking an ayahuasca negra brew I was pretty much picked up by the scruff of my neck and shaken.
That night La Madre took me to the gates of the known universe and presented me as a child to the infinite beyond. She bombarded me with all manner of universal truths, i became saturated with understanding of our (human) plight and answers to all the universal questions flooded through me. I became these 'truths' and they became me. I felt so sure I was going to come back with all the answers (HA! As if...)
Then, just as I was about to explode with knowledge on how the entire universe functions a voice (not mine...) said, "but none of this matters anyway. You don't even exist"
This was, as far as I was concerned, the funniest thing I'd ever heard.
The cosmic joke. I laughed until I cried (silently of course; I was in ceremony
)
That night La Madre took me to the gates of the known universe and presented me as a child to the infinite beyond. She bombarded me with all manner of universal truths, i became saturated with understanding of our (human) plight and answers to all the universal questions flooded through me. I became these 'truths' and they became me. I felt so sure I was going to come back with all the answers (HA! As if...)
Then, just as I was about to explode with knowledge on how the entire universe functions a voice (not mine...) said, "but none of this matters anyway. You don't even exist"
This was, as far as I was concerned, the funniest thing I'd ever heard.
The cosmic joke. I laughed until I cried (silently of course; I was in ceremony
)
spawn9076
Rising Star
I would not worry yourself with your thoughts,
If this was such a case, would living as a tree for 1,000's of years count and every single separated cell in your body?
I've had several trips along you concept so I understand you ideas.
however I have had trips where I have been shown a single source in essence a creator, I felt as if I was everyone connected to everyone you me and all of us are the same we come from this single source.
This single source, simply started as yes and no (kind of like binary coding in a computer)
spread throughout an infinite place at an infinite speed (instantly time did not exist at this point)
this is the big bang
in essence the source created itself and we are nothing more than projection of its consciousness going about our daily lives. we should all be grateful for this chance existence love and care for one another and enjoy life. The source has shown me helping others is helping yourself.
If this was such a case, would living as a tree for 1,000's of years count and every single separated cell in your body?
I've had several trips along you concept so I understand you ideas.
however I have had trips where I have been shown a single source in essence a creator, I felt as if I was everyone connected to everyone you me and all of us are the same we come from this single source.
This single source, simply started as yes and no (kind of like binary coding in a computer)
spread throughout an infinite place at an infinite speed (instantly time did not exist at this point)
this is the big bang
in essence the source created itself and we are nothing more than projection of its consciousness going about our daily lives. we should all be grateful for this chance existence love and care for one another and enjoy life. The source has shown me helping others is helping yourself.
spawn9076 said:
In a way; yes. But it wouldn't be "me". Just what I'm composed of. I perceive because of the movement that makes me. By movement I mean everything: mass, warmth, etc. A tree would be made of the same movement, but it doesn't perceive like we do.
I hope that makes sense. And excuse me for my very late response
spractral said:Hey man, I think the feeling you have is that we are all ONE thing or process? And aside from this is nothing which is somehow everything? In my opinion no one will ever know everything about the universe because everyone is a part of the universe; we're all just one big process that seemingly never ends...
I just read your original post. And yes, that's pretty much it. I agree that we will never know ever
ything, but for a different reason. I feel that many people have different experiences that others won't be able to experience and understand. I feel each individual gets a part of the truth.
Anyways, right now there's not much going on in my life. Considering dmt, I have done dmt quite a few times since then. I have had similar experiences to the one described here, but I am not as scared as before, now I just calmly wait till I can think rationally again (during these types of trips I can't have very complex thoughts and forget most of my life). So that's good.
I am glad this was interesting to you, it was to me too :d. How are they relative to your life right now? Did you have similar experiences on dmt?
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