Overexaggeration of the DMT experience?

[Fizzy]

I am yet a new member to this forum, but I somehow realised that some of the members here on the Nexus seem to overexaggerate the whole DMT thing.

I really love DMT myself, it is a wonderful, powerful and fascinating substance and has its unique effects (and I also have yet to account a full ayahuasca experience). But I can shake the feeling that people start to treat DMT as some sort of 'master' of all psychedelics. It is very unique and enlightning, surely. But so is LSD, and so is Psilocin, and so is Mescaline. Every molecule is unique on its own, none of it better or worse than another.

Still I get it that this is the 'dmt'-nexus, so DMT might somehow be the main molecule of this board but that's not what I ment in the passage above.


Just wanted to write this of of my heart and share my thoughts. Please dont feel offended, it wasn't my intention to do so.

lots of love!

 

[arcanum]

No offence Fizzy, but it's also known as " The spirit Molecule" and for good reason.

Peace

 

[Sky Motion]

Yeah you said you've done DMT but how far have you gone with it? If you've explored far enough, you would know it is really the ultimate psychedelic and most profound.

DON'T get me wrong, I love the others too, they can go very far and are very beneficial.

 

[River of Thoughts]

Sounds to me you haven't had a full blown breakthrough yet. You will get there tho!

 

[SnozzleBerry]

There is always another level

 

[a1pha]

..., but I somehow realised that some of the members here on the Nexus seem to overexaggerate the whole DMT thing.

Over-exaggerate? I've seen just the opposite of members who go deep. Since there are no words to describe the DMT experience, I often see older members DOWNPLAY DMT in favor of more rational explanations. I'm sure all of us in the back of our mind think something profound is going on - but I hardly ever see anyone over-exaggerate it. I don't know if that's even possible.

 

[tony]

Every molecule is unique on its own, none of it better or worse than another.

Thats a subjective thing I guess... But for me dmt trumps all the other drugs I have tried. Ive tried other psychedelics, dissos, delerients, uppers, downers and of course the socially acceptable (and IME most damaging) alcohol and none of these things even come close to what a spice breakthrough is like. For me DMT is the type of experience I've been looking for for over a decade.

 

[d*l*b]

I have been doing psychedelics for 19 years now and I cannot say anything in any dose that I have experienced has come close to what DMT and its relatives do. It is very, very far beyond all of them. The experiences it gives are infinite and ever-changing. As soon as you think you have got to the edge another one will appear.

I say with wholehearted belief that DMT and its direct family are something else.

 

[Global]

Try vaping DMT at the peak of an ayahuasca experience and get back to me.

 

[tele]

There's nothing that compares to it, at least nothing I know of or have tried.

After 100 of blast offs it's still always new and you never know what's going to come with the journey. Experience only makes it somewhat easier to handle, in my opinion. DMT journeying is a process, something like a school in my experience. It always gives/teaches/shows something new. Spice of life.

 

[Felnik]

Keep working with it , your very likely to change your opinion .
There is not much exageration here based in my own experience .
There are many reasons why dmt is treated differently , Like anything else
It's not for everyone . I was fascinated and profoundly effected
Right from the start.

 

[RebornInSmoke]

over-exaggerating? you troallin Fizzy

 

[meatsim]

How is leaving your physical body, talking to spirits, receiving profound insights and communicating with other-worldly aliens, all in high definition, an overexaggeration?

 

[corpus callosum]

If your dose is sufficiently high, your vaporisation technique optimised and your DMT is DMT, then language will always underplay the nature of the experience, IME.

 

[JetBlack Neon]

I agree that DMT is one of the ultimate spiritual tools; ever enlightening and endlessly astounding. PM me if anyone feels compelled to- I'm hoping to find friends/community to get deeper into the practice of exploration.

 

[Psychonaut In Orbit]

There's nothing that compares to it, at least nothing I know of or have tried.

After 100 of blast offs it's still always new and you never know what's going to come with the journey. Experience only makes it somewhat easier to handle, in my opinion. DMT journeying is a process, something like a school in my experience. It always gives/teaches/shows something new. Spice of life.

Couldn't have said it better myself. 8) I'm in the 150-160 trip range w/ 30-40 breakthroughs and it's always a dose of enlightenment with each trip. There is always a refreshing feeling with each trip... even the scary ones. I haven't dabbled with many psychs... DMT is my first psychedelic I truly explored and every time I start to get the feeling that DMT has shown me everything I need to know, the spice.... with all its awe, its glory, its spontaneous gestures of fractal sensory overload slaps some cosmic sense back into this empty fish bowl I call a head. The astonishment overwhelms you and then DMT, with all its beauty, cradles you into an "overstanding" of universal knowledge and love!

 

[SomewhatLost]

Hi Fizzy,

I think there are a few things which separate DMT from other, still powerful and important entheogens. First and foremost, DMT is actually produced within ourselves, and an incredible number of other living things. There's really no other psychedelic which can make that claim. Psilocin is certainly an amazing psychedelic too, and is remarkably similar to DMT, at least from a chemical standpoint. I've heard psilocin described on a number of occasions as orally active DMT because its chemistry is changed from DMT in just the right way to prevent it from being destroyed by the monoamine oxidase in our guts. In spite of that, even after consuming what has been described as a "heroic" or "shamanic" dose of shrooms (15 grams dried), what I experienced paled in comparison to my better DMT experiences.

I've had a number of incredible psychedelic experiences, but NOTHING even comes close to what I experienced when I broke through on DMT. I'm an agnostic, yet for a few days, I was utterly convinced I had an hour long conversation with god (I still believe there's a good chance that I did). I was bathed in spiritual light for an hour+ and I experienced the most intense pleasure I could ever imagine (actually, far more than I could have imagined). I was able to leave my body and travel anywhere in the cosmos by sheer will alone. Nothing I've experienced with LSD, shrooms and cacti have ever come anything close to that.

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

I'm with the others. I've had so many beautiful trips in my days, and I thought I'd be a mushroom man for life because I loved them soooo much. Then I had my first DMT breakthrough(with aya) and it was more powerful than my hundreds of previous trips all put together. I've blabbered to all of my friends about the experience, describing the most unbelievable things, trying to convey the miraculous nature of my journey, but I can't even seem to scratch the surface of how crazy, beautiful, and deeply powerful it really was. Someone here has said it before, and I totally agree, that you can't exaggerate when it comes to DMT. It's impossible to do that with a breakthrough.

 

[SomewhatLost]

Every molecule is unique on its own, none of it better or worse than another.

Thats a subjective thing I guess... But for me dmt trumps all the other drugs I have tried. Ive tried other psychedelics, dissos, delerients, uppers, downers and of course the socially acceptable (and IME most damaging) alcohol and none of these things even come close to what a spice breakthrough is like. For me DMT is the type of experience I've been looking for for over a decade.

I couldn't agree with what you posted more. In fact, I've had an interest in psychedelics well before I had the opportunity to try any (probably since I was about 10 years old). When I first tried shrooms, and then acid, I was disappointed. Mostly because I didn't realize at the time that I have a high tolerance to pretty much all psychedelics. But even when I took very large doses, I enjoyed myself, but it wasn't the experience I was looking for. I had been extremely interested in ayahuasca and its analogs for many years (almost 2 decades), but I thought I might never have the chance to experience it as I thought I'd need to take a trip to Peru and find a shaman to administer it. It was only this past year that I discovered I'd have the opportunity to try it through the fruits of my own labor. The first few times were a little disappointing, but still fun. My breakthrough might have been the most significant experience of my life. It was utterly indescribable. The afterglow alone was amazing. It was everything that I had hoped for and so much more. It was definitely the experience that I had been searching for for two decades.

 

[Fizzy]

How is leaving your physical body, talking to spirits, receiving profound insights and communicating with other-worldly aliens, all in high definition, an overexaggeration?

I experience similar with a medium dosage of salvia for example

I already experienced some break-throughs and I admit that is one of the most "powerful" substances, but in my opinion not the most teaching. DMT has many benefits of course, but it (for me) is not the perfect psychedelic.

Im glad you like that much though

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who is in for a serious discussion and not calling me a troll because of my way of percieving things.