Pamphlet to place with DMT samples?

[Shroomer]

I used to grow LB's of mushrooms per year. In every dose I used to place a little... well all I can think to call it is a Pamphlet explaining a few precautions and suggestions for its use. I found the "Pamphlet" some where online. I'm looking to find or maybe create something like this for DMT. Something short and to the point but still has just about everything you need to know before your first DMT experience.

I participate in a Sundance and one of the Sundancers last year told me Ayawaska is being used to treat addiction. I don't know how well pure DMT helps with an addict to over come addiction, the only thing I know about the subject is from a movie I watched on Hulu or Netflix called "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" and remember a mention that after the DMT research one (or maybe more) of the subjects/patients/lab-rats/guinea-pigs that were given the DMT in the study struggled with Addiction to alcohol and or drugs and after the study the guy for what ever reason no longer struggled with it.... at least as much.

Well what im getting at is my town is filled with junkies and addicts. I myself have a long history with chemical dependence. I am at this moment addicted to Opiates just not so much that I get sick but when I dont have my PST for more than 14 - 15 hrs I get some anxiety, cramps and back pain. I'm hoping that DMTR can help me and the many people I know overcome there addictions. Is this something that's possible?

Sorry about my grammar and overall structure I have never been that great at posting questions. I shine when im making a TEK or posting results for a grow but posts like this I struggle with.

Anyway im starting to babble on but I would really like to create or find a Pamphlet that I can put with single doses of DMT that has all the must know facts for DMT use.

Peace, Health & Harmony - Shroomer (DMT NOOBER)

 

[gammagore]

uummm' why not just explain face to face?

This whole thing of pamphlets with samples smells of selling to me. what do you mean by `samples`? and if one wanted to know about dmt they could come here and do some reading. no?

 

[cyb]

^^ Hmm maybe the pamphlet should just read: " Welcome to the DMT-Nexus "

edit:
Refer to post * 8

further edit:
posted as a humorous aside...not to be taken literally

 

[SKA]

SWIM has shared his DMT with a mate recently. A guy who he knows has a cocaine habbit and doesn't mind taking amphetamines every now & then either. Recently he's been realising he doesn't want addiction to uppers & has showed
a clear interrest in psychedelics, specifically to redeem hiself & be of general therapuitic value.

Needless to say SWIM was more than happy to oblige when he asked him if he could come over to
smoalk some DMT. He had a wonderfull time on DMT, getting further affirmation of his intent
to turn away from Cocaine & it's harmfull friends and instead turn to Psychedelics for insight &
redemption.

Many people with heavy addictions to amphetamines & cocaine have approached SWIM with an interrest
in Psychedelics, DMT in particulair. SWIM has shared DMT with some of them, but noticed that only
few of those people really turn away from addiction & move onto a higher path in life:
Those that really want it. Those that have been seeking sanity/balance for a long time & have
become aware of the error of their previous/current ways. Willingness to change is key.

So DMT is just not something to just go spread amongst the masses. It is supposed to exist in underground, smaller social circles. Outsiders who seek DMT out of noble intentions may be welcomed into these social circles may they run into them. Other people seeking DMT for less noble intentions should not be helped to DMT by these social circles. Not untill their intentions for smoalking DMT are noble & reasonable first.

So no need for pamphlets: The rare few seekers that would honour DMT's message can just be told all about DMT face to face by people of the small social circles who have a greater knowledge of & experience with DMT. These social circles could initiate & guide newcomming
seekers with noble intentions to navigate hyperspace responsibly & open to learn.
This goes for all Psychedelics: It's just not a mass-consumption good. So if you're looking
for a gold mine, leave DMT & other Psychedelics alone.

What are you really after? Helping people conquer addiction? Or making a big fat profit
on selling alot of psychedelics to the junkies in your town? I'm telling you it's 1 or the other, because these 2 intentions don't mix.

 

[arcanum]

I used to grow LB's of mushrooms per year. In every dose I used to place a little... well all I can think to call it is a Pamphlet explaining a few precautions and suggestions for its use. I found the "Pamphlet" some where online. I'm looking to find or maybe create something like this for DMT. Something short and to the point but still has just about everything you need to know before your first DMT experience.

Thinking of starting a little business?:shock: :!: :thumb_dow

 

[DeDao]

Hehe I appreciate peoples responses to this situation.

:roll:

 

[steppa]

Hehe I appreciate peoples responses to this situation.

:roll:

Me too.

...but otherwise... People do what they want and it's not certain that one will listen to what people say on a Forum. And giving out the Stuff together with some Info is better the giving it out with no info at all. For a really short and compressed info I'd go with this diagramm

 

[The Traveler]

Currently we already have a pamphlet about what we do.

Also we are working on an instruction/guidance book for responsible entheogen use. Parts of that book might make it to a 'flyer' that can be used to advice/persuade people to download the complete book in PDF format.

Harm reduction is gold.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Anthimus]

Well what im getting at is my town is filled with junkies and addicts. I myself have a long history with chemical dependence. I am at this moment addicted to Opiates just not so much that I get sick but when I dont have my PST for more than 14 - 15 hrs I get some anxiety, cramps and back pain. I'm hoping that DMTR can help me and the many people I know overcome there addictions. Is this something that's possible?

Erowid.org: Erowid Reference 7716 : Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays : Ott J

The Index page for the reference article: Ott J Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays J Psychoactive Drugs 2006 38(1):101-5

www.erowid.org

I find his method to be really sound. Microdosing antagonists with your opiates also reduces tolerance. Or you could quit cold turkey, which if you have no Naltrexone might be your primary option.

As for the pamphlet, if you're going to create one, just do it. The information is available.

 

[DeDao]

Interesting diagram Steppa!

 

[Bill Cipher]

Well what im getting at is my town is filled with junkies and addicts. I myself have a long history with chemical dependence. I am at this moment addicted to Opiates just not so much that I get sick but when I dont have my PST for more than 14 - 15 hrs I get some anxiety, cramps and back pain. I'm hoping that DMTR can help me and the many people I know overcome there addictions. Is this something that's possible?

Erowid.org: Erowid Reference 7716 : Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays : Ott J

The Index page for the reference article: Ott J Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays J Psychoactive Drugs 2006 38(1):101-5

www.erowid.org

I find his method to be really sound. Microdosing antagonists with your opiates also reduces tolerance. Or you could quit cold turkey, which if you have no Naltrexone might be your primary option.

As for the pamphlet, if you're going to create one, just do it. The information is available.

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but with all due respect to Jonathan Ott... He's completely out of his mind here.

Do you have any idea just how painful taking a single dose of naltrexone can be when you have an opiate dependency? I do, and I can tell you that it's an unbelievably horrible ordeal. I've done this twice - both times inadvertantly, in that I thought I was far enough removed from active use to resume taking the naltrexone - and both times resulted in monumental asskickings which took several weeks to completely recover from.

For anyone contemplating this, please don't. You really won't care for the result.

 

[wearepeople]

^^ Hmm maybe the pamphlet should just read: " Welcome to the DMT-Nexus "

I was thinking about business cards with the words above.

And a classic cyb background: Leonus holographus.

 

[No Knowing]

Psychedelics, especially DMT, helped me overcome opiate addiction. It isn't magic though, there still is alot of work and intention and REAL desire to be free of those chains. But they help alot with resolve and "seeing through" your addiction and self-defeating activities.

I'm with Art van D' Lay on the Naltrexone thing. I have never tried Naltrexone, suboxone, subutex, methadone, or any of those drugs that touch opiate receptors and claim to make you "free" of opiates. I've seen people quit heroin with some of these BUT they were never quite able to kick the replacement habit. And often relapsed onto real opiates...

And, I wouldn't say these things bring you to sobriety, their brains still seemed very much hindered from operating at 100%. They also experienced general malaise and had no real zest for life. This is all from my own experience with opiate addiction and other friends I went through it with.

Also, don't sell DMT, it is bad karma among many other negative things.

 

[Anthimus]

Well what im getting at is my town is filled with junkies and addicts. I myself have a long history with chemical dependence. I am at this moment addicted to Opiates just not so much that I get sick but when I dont have my PST for more than 14 - 15 hrs I get some anxiety, cramps and back pain. I'm hoping that DMTR can help me and the many people I know overcome there addictions. Is this something that's possible?

Erowid.org: Erowid Reference 7716 : Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays : Ott J

The Index page for the reference article: Ott J Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays J Psychoactive Drugs 2006 38(1):101-5

www.erowid.org

I find his method to be really sound. Microdosing antagonists with your opiates also reduces tolerance. Or you could quit cold turkey, which if you have no Naltrexone might be your primary option.

As for the pamphlet, if you're going to create one, just do it. The information is available.

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but with all due respect to Jonathan Ott... He's completely out of his mind here.

Do you have any idea just how painful taking a single dose of naltrexone can be when you have an opiate dependency? I do, and I can tell you that it's an unbelievably horrible ordeal. I've done this twice - both times inadvertantly, in that I thought I was far enough removed from active use to resume taking the naltrexone - and both times resulted in monumental asskickings which took several weeks to completely recover from.

For anyone contemplating this, please don't. You really won't care for the result.

I've taken this before and experienced none of these problems. It's actually been an aid in tolerance reduction in most of my cases. What doses were you taking anyway? Painful? I think this is idiosyncratic noise.

Still encourage his method, if it doesn't work for you then obviously, don't do it.

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Never done the naltrexone but i've heard of others experiencing the same. Also, I think suboxone is relatively easy to taper. Especially if you are used to heavy opiate w/d's. This little orange sublingual strip has saved me thousands of dollars and probably my life. I agree that some people just end up with another addiction. However, I'd rather see someone taking a small maintence dose of suboxone that doing oxy's, heroin, and the rest of the opiates that destroy peoples lives.

I'm down to where i only take a 1/4 of an 8mg strip at a time, sometimes up to half of one per day. I plan to be completely off the program in march/april.

And thats my addition to that thought.

Back to the pamphlets... I just hope you are not randomly distributing or selling it, even with the precautions of providing a pamphlet. I doubt any pamphlet can really prepare a person for that experience. Honestly I don't think anything that i've experienced on this planet has been as difficult to prepare someone for. No human explanation really does it justice.

 

[The Electric Hippy]

I've seen people quit heroin with some of these BUT they were never quite able to kick the replacement habit. And often relapsed onto real opiates...

This is mainly for two reasons:

1) Any type of replacement therapy tries to subdue the physical addiction while you rid yourself of the mental addiction. While this sounds like a good idea, often times the replacement therapy encourages the same behavior you are addicted to (e-cigs for nicotine, suboxone for opiates, etc.) and just keeps you trapped in the same addict behavior.
2) You can't get someone off a drug by giving them more of the same drug. No rehab center gives cocaine addicts cocaine. That's stupid. They don't need more cocaine, they need less cocaine. By giving them more, hoping to "wean them down", all you're doing is feeding and maintaining that addictive behavior.

 

[Korey]

Well what im getting at is my town is filled with junkies and addicts. I myself have a long history with chemical dependence. I am at this moment addicted to Opiates just not so much that I get sick but when I dont have my PST for more than 14 - 15 hrs I get some anxiety, cramps and back pain. I'm hoping that DMTR can help me and the many people I know overcome there addictions. Is this something that's possible?

Erowid.org: Erowid Reference 7716 : Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays : Ott J

The Index page for the reference article: Ott J Obviation of opioid withdrawal syndrome by concomitant administration of naltrexone in microgram doses: two psychonautic bioassays J Psychoactive Drugs 2006 38(1):101-5

www.erowid.org

I find his method to be really sound. Microdosing antagonists with your opiates also reduces tolerance. Or you could quit cold turkey, which if you have no Naltrexone might be your primary option.

As for the pamphlet, if you're going to create one, just do it. The information is available.

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but with all due respect to Jonathan Ott... He's completely out of his mind here.

Do you have any idea just how painful taking a single dose of naltrexone can be when you have an opiate dependency? I do, and I can tell you that it's an unbelievably horrible ordeal. I've done this twice - both times inadvertantly, in that I thought I was far enough removed from active use to resume taking the naltrexone - and both times resulted in monumental asskickings which took several weeks to completely recover from.

For anyone contemplating this, please don't. You really won't care for the result.

Not trying to hijack the thread, but the title of the document mentions microgram doses of naltrexone. Isn't a typical naltrexone dosage around 4.5-25 milligrams?

 

[Shroomer]

Thanks for all the awesome replies guys! I don't plan on selling DMT. I have all the money I need for this world and them some, I'm actually quite well off so much so I donate around 4% of my income. I own a mycology supply company that I started with funds I made selling my friends mushrooms. But even without ever experienced DMT I know there's a big difference in DMT's uses compared to mushrooms. I am a firm believer that mushrooms were put here to be used to help us and it's every ones right to have access to them. I only sold mushrooms to reach my ultimate goal of starting a business so I could help supply people with affordable and high quality mushrooms supplies. I think I received good karma (which I live my life by) for getting mushrooms out to people. Like I have said numerous times, I have no experience with DMT myself but after all my reading over the years I'm assuming DMT is also a gift. I personally just am not aware of its intended use.

I want to some day help people. I am sick of being addicted and am desperate to find a way to save my self. I have been in rehab 8 times, my first stay was at 16 and was for almost a year in-patient the shortest stay was 60 days. In rehab I found out that im a great "counselor" and an observer. I have had many addiction experts tell me I NEED to help people cause im gifted in all the ways that make a great addiction counselor.

From all I know about DMT I imagine this...
A person with addiction and I sit down, we make some goals and talk. Then the person doses and after they come back we talk more.

I defiantly don't plan on handing out DMT to strangers either, Could you imagine that! :lol:

One other thing I have heard is that cancer patients have come to terms with dying through the use of DMT. I struggle with a unnatural fear of death, It is one of the things I use Opiates to deal with. I start thinking about the fact that im going to die some day and it brings on massive amounts of anxiety that can turn into panic attacks. When I don't use opiates or benzos the only thing that can keep the anxiety away is depriving myself of sleep. I used to stay up for up to 8 days in a row and after years and years of doing that it caused some kind of damage so now if I don't sleep, on about the 3rd or 4th day I have a seizure. I have had 3 in the last 2 years and they reek havoc on my memory. I have permanent memory loss from them and afterwords it takes days to even remember my own mothers name and after each seizure the duration's get longer.

I have big hopes that DMT will be a great tool for healing and I want to heal and be healed. If it was not for mushrooms I think there's a very good chance I would not be alive today due to suicide. Does any one believe DMT can help me with any of my issues?

I appreciate this community very much. Since I found it I have listened to hundreds of threads using soundgecko and gained much knowledge. It's places like this that give me hope in humanity and for the future.

Peace, Health & Harmony -Shroomer

 

[DeDao]

Glad you want to heal and are not in it for the money.


I think many psychedelics can help you all your psychological problems if you are willing to pay attention to them and follow through with the knowledge you gained.

 

[Dark_Star]

These substances certainly have a powerful ability to heal. However, they are not magic switch flippers that will just make everything OK. They give a fresh perspective, a fresh slate....and in the case of ibogaine one without the withdrawals. That's not the end of it though. It takes work on a daily basis to recover. I'm not saying you have to go to meetings everyday & do your recovery the 12-step way....there are other ways, but it does take more then ingesting a psychedelic medicine & having a peak experience.

If you don't mind, I'll share a little bit of my experience with this. I went through the whole opiate, cocaine, benzo & alcohol abuse thing myself. I had a yo-yo personality; on the positive side was the psychedelic version of me, going on tour, being loving & spiritual. The flip side was the addict version that was a shell of human being, living in the Dark with no recollection of the feeling of love. I bounced back & forth between these two extremes a lot. You see, I'd take LSD & smoke DMT while caught in the pits of addiction, and have peak experiences that blasted me out of it. However I didn't take the lessons learned in those experiences to heart......I didn't do the actual work to change, and thus always slipped back. Thus the cycle repeated itself. It's hard to explain this kind of thing to a non-addict. Having a second chance is a blessing beyond expression. I got way more chances then two from psychedelics. The more times I slipped back, the more of my life that I lost. It got to the point where the psychedelics didn't work anymore. There were no more second chances. When I dosed I had the broken record trip of seeing myself for who I had become, and there was no hope offered cause it had all been offered & ignored years earlier. So I'd trip, then drown the comedown in alcohol & opiates, and continue my self destructive ways the next day. So I stopped tripping cause all it offered was a no holds barred look at my darkness, and I wanted escape.

When I finally got clean I embraced total sobriety. I chose to follow the 12-step method, and put the work in to recover. After I while I begin to heal, and I found myself again. In finding myself again I also reconnected with my spiritual side, and as you can probably imagine, my belief system & the NA belief system are very much at odds. So I left the program & set out to find my own path of recovery. This led to a rekindling of my interest in psychedelics. I was nervous, as the whole "a drug is a drug is a drug" thing had been beaten in my head since rehab, but I didn't really believe that. So I sought out my elders that had been through all of this before, got better & continued to use psychedelics. They assured me that I would be fine as long as I continued to live in a spiritual fashion. I reintroduced the psychedelic experience in my life with LSD, which has always been my closest & most beloved ally. The experience was eye-opening to say the least. All of the old familiar demons came out to play, but this time I had the backing of actually having finally put those lessons I'd learned all those years ago to work. The demons melted away under my confident laughter, and loving spirits danced in an ecstatic circle around my tent. "It's about time you got your shit together. We've been waiting, welcome back!" The spirit of the universe was very happy & very proud of me.

Since then I've continued to work with the tryptamine family of psychedelics, on an every now and then basis. I do most of the work sober, in my daily life.....and once I've successfully implemented the lessons learned the last time to my satisfaction, and feel the call of that space again I'll journey. Why have I shared this story? I hope that you don't fall into the same trap that I did with tripping & then going about my business like the work was done. I fully believe in & support the use of these medicines in the battle against things like addiction, but they are merely an asset.....they are not a cure. If you take them, integrate the experiences & be the change they will be a huge asset to you. If you expect a miracle cure you will most likely be sorely disappointed....and it's so easy to slip back into old way.

Good luck, and much Love.