Phalaris/other grass types ID thread

[dithyramb]

Thanks Chimp z.

I am going to boil the fresh leaves now, which added up to over 100g. Somehow I felt adding the Flowerheads might make sense (any info on that?), and they weighed around 50g. I am expecting that in the worst case, this makes one dose. A few doses if I am more lucky.

Thanks for the tip on cloning. As far as I understand, what are called rhizomes with phalaris are not underground structures like they are with pragmites. It's more like the base of the stalk?

Jagube had told me that P. aquatica has relatively less genetic variation and is usually reliable in providing light. He has tried aq1 which is said to be almost purely dmt in alkaloid profile, with intriguing results. I am open to any possible medicinal effect of the total synergies of more complex alkaloid content... Let's see. This is exciting.

And that every strain and species will have a different spirit... It's a whole universe to discover and study. Feels very good to be on this quest...

As my friends from the ayahuasca forum have heard from me, I am allied to a specific strain of Syrian rue. Very gentle, compassionate, loving, feminine and visionary. I am lucky that I came upon this strain and my need for allying with one plant spirit was taken care of very early on in my journey with teacher plants. Apart from drinking it alone, İ have mixed it with phragmites (without success), mimosa, chacruna, chaliponga, and acacia over the years. I have hit a point where it just doesn't feel possible to mix in plants ordered from distant lands. An energetic/spiritual resonance of the ingredients of the medicine, and a close alliance with the light bearing plant İ feel is mandatory. I have tried local liberty caps for this purpose. İt is a very beautiful combination, but I am also very much called to grass... İ have the feeling that certain phalaris species carry strong medicinal properties and is likely to have been utilized by the ancients.


Here are some questions for you:

1) whatever potency i discover now with this phalaris, in the case that I cultivate, clip, and try the regrowth in fall, i would encounter a higher potency with it?

2) what about wild phalaris. Does the regrowth of aquatica after the rains return in fall carry more alkaloids?

3) Do annual species like P. brachystachys have these same properties around potency?

 

[dithyramb]

Bioassay complete. Result: positive. the entire brew was one strong dose. Neon blues and greens. Elaborate patterns. "Cool" energy, serious and introspective. Strongly purgative. Unpleasant stimulation in legs...

An elaborate report over here: Phalaris aquatica - Page 2 - Ayahuasca Forums

 

[dithyramb]

A very fruitful phalaris expedition it was today...

Photos 1 - 3 : Phalaris canariensis?

Photo 4: a sea of Aquatica (different region and strain from previous one. Seems to be a little smaller and with shorter leaves)

Photo 5: a sea of paradoxa

 

[dithyramb]

Finally, I find brachystachys. The leaves are very large compared to the normal description, but I as far as I know there are no other phalaris species which have this kind of seed anatomy. It is on the side of a field so it might have consumed some extra fertilizer. I even found a discarded fertilizer package writing 25 % nitrogen on it, on nearby fields where I harvested a huge amount of P. aquatica today. I also harvested a lot of P. paradoxa. Many bioassays are under way... Here are the brachystachys photos

 

[dithyramb]

Here is another ubiquitous and abundant grass which just could be a Phalaris species. Realy minuscule.

 

[Chimp Z]

Looks a lot like Phalaris Angusta
Plant isn’t fuzzy at all?

 

[dithyramb]

No it is not fuzzy at all I am not sure that it is Phalaris actually.

 

[dithyramb]

I used to take for granted that this is Phalaris arundinacea until I learned that it arundinacea has a look alike - Sorghum halepense (Johnson grass). What do you guys think?

 

[donfoolio]

You found this in a wheat field?

I am not the expert on phalaris, but all of the spots I reached were much more wet than this. The gramin-family is quite hard to identify.

Could be sorghum, or any poaceae close to it.

 

[dithyramb]

The latest photos are from a roadside, not a field. This grass is literally everywhere...

I found a lot of aquatica and paradoxa in and around wheat fields. Brachystachys is known as a "problem weed" in wheat fields in the country that I live. Unfortunately I couldn't find it around wheat fields yet.

 

[Chimp Z]

It appears the Phalaris grass has chosen you as its student of medicine.
Quite the abundance of species in your area.

 

[dithyramb]

Anybody know what this non phalaris grass could be?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I used to take for granted that this is Phalaris arundinacea until I learned that it arundinacea has a look alike - Sorghum halepense (Johnson grass). What do you guys think?

Looks way too red compared to any P. arundinacea I ever saw. I thought it was Phragmites australis at first glance on the thumbnail!

We need to get a really good field guide to grasses.

 

[Chimp Z]

dithyramb sort of blurry but appears to be Dactylis Glomerata

 

[dithyramb]

Thanks Chimp, I think you are right. This is also a very common grass around here. Any guess anyone?

 

[Chimp Z]

Looks to me like it could be false oat or blue joint grass.

False oat is Arrhenatherum Elatius
Blue joint grass is Calamagrostis Canadensis

Calamagrostis grows in temperate regions around the world but mostly is found in the United States.

The Arrhenatherum Elatius is more specific to West Asia & Europe.

Both the grasses have multiple subspecies and variable forms.

Someone about 7 years ago yielded a crude extract from Calamagrostis Canadensis that they say got them high, but I have yet to replicate those results with the plant.

 

[SNYPS]

I think I might be getting close to finding Arundinacea... Maybe

Hello, I have similar grass in my region
First 2 photos small tongue, round stalk (I hope this is what I need)
last 3 photos with big tongue and with seeds, the stem is a little flat. (maby that is Poa compressa Wikiwand - Poa , I am not sure )

Please help to identify them

 

[Hardani]

Hi i found these plants and i believe they are phalaris
I need guide about them and about any method that i can use them with syrian rue extract if they are good for any?
Thanks

 

[dithyramb]

Thanks for posting photos of the seeds. These are most likely Phalaris minor. It is one of the species which I have yet to have tried but intend to meet with rue as well. It is said to contain dmt however for some reason there are no experience reports which I could come by. Might be very weak, but who knows, perhaps there just aren't enough trials yet. I think 20g fresh blades is a good dose to start trying a new phalaris species/strain with rue. The general consensus would probably be that you should not try it because it might be dangerous. There are no proper studies on short or long term toxicity of Phalaris. I have taken the risk and trusted the grass. On one occasion I felt like I was on the threshold of actual physical death because of crazy heart rate and blood pressure from one strain of wild Phalaris aquatica. Every species and every strain of every species is different. My postulation is that what causes such reactions are the tyramines - hordenine and n methyl tyramine etc. I don't know if or how much of these P. minor can have. Do very good research and take very careful steps if you decide to try it. Besides the risks, the grass hold some true treasures in their repertoire, when you hit the jackpot, like I did recently, there are no words the describe the spiritual ecstasy. Respect the plants. Put effort into cultivating proper relationships with them if you intend to dance with them. Cheers.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Hey, ChimpZ - you look like you really know your grasses in general. What would you recommend as a field guide or other resource for grass ID?