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Phenethylamines and Syrian Rue

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ComaProphet

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I have heard reports of how dangerous this combination can be... but I have yet to learn WHY this is the general understanding.

Can anyone provide information on the actual risk of combining these two?

Thanks.:)
 
SWIM has actually used low doses of maoi's with phen's..and he says it is NOT that nice...it speeds you up way too much..its like your body doesnt know what to do with all the energy..your heart rate may increase...and so will your temperature..it doesnt feel good..it feels dangerous..i think they call it a hypertensive crisis..

IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO MIX...DO NOT DO IT EVER...

SWIM was risking his life by even trying low doses..dont do it
 
The achuma cactus is said to contain MAOIs which potentiate the mescaline, making them much more potent. Achuma is not known to be dangerous.
 
Jorkest said:
SWIM has actually used low doses of maoi's with phen's..and he says it is NOT that nice...it speeds you up way too much..its like your body doesnt know what to do with all the energy..your heart rate may increase...and so will your temperature..it doesnt feel good..it feels dangerous..i think they call it a hypertensive crisis..

IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO MIX...DO NOT DO IT EVER...

SWIM was risking his life by even trying low doses..dont do it

Thanks for the heads up.

SWIM has some 2c-i to experiment with and he thanks you for letting him know how SWIY's experience was with that particular combination.

Does anyone know what would be a better choice to mix with phen's, like anything that helps intensify the effects in a safe and comfortable way?

And also, I know that most mesc. containing cacti are NOT safe to mix with MAOI's because of the myriad of other chems that are contained within them.
 
Jorkest said:
small doses of DMT are nice with phens...and weed is decent..lsd too
LSD is great with most phens :)

To intensify it, you could try taking L-Tyrosine and 5HTP. They do increase it a little bit but do a lot to extend it and help with comedowns(if there are any, like some types of substituted phens have).

Controversially, piracetam(taken in an attack dose the day of) has been said to potentiate MDMA and many other phens/psys quite nicely. Could always consider that
 
I'm a bit confused as to the whole ssri-->maoi-->phen combination danger concept. The reason behind this is that I take zoloft (an ssri) and an above-average doseage of adderall (which, I don't think is a phen, but is an amphetamine all the same) on a daily basis. Additionally, I have combined harmaline, alcohol, and various other things with dmt and can't say that I've ever experienced any ill effects. Any thoughts?
 
DarkShaman said:
I'm a bit confused as to the whole ssri-->maoi-->phen combination danger concept. The reason behind this is that I take zoloft (an ssri) and an above-average doseage of adderall (which, I don't think is a phen, but is an amphetamine all the same) on a daily basis. Additionally, I have combined harmaline, alcohol, and various other things with dmt and can't say that I've ever experienced any ill effects. Any thoughts?

amphetamine is considered a phen. MAOI + SSRI is dangerous because it causes too much serotonin to be in the brain and possible serotonin syndrome(SSRIs stop serotonin from being taken back into the synapse and MAOIs stop MAO from metabolizing serotonin). Phen + MAOI is dangerous because phens are generally heavy on dopamine and noradrenaline. If there is less MAO, then there is more of both and they then have more of an effect(increase heart rate, blood pressure, temperature, etc.)
 
ComaProphet said:
Does anyone know what would be a better choice to mix with phen's, like anything that helps intensify the effects in a safe and comfortable way



Hi Coma Prophet ,


I think maybe you could intensify your mescaline with Piperine , or cacao /cacao extracts , or even Piracetam?

What about Cannabis or Nitrous Oxide ?
 
Just found some more Infos in the Visionary cactus Guide :

COMBINATIONS OF MESCALINE AND OTHER SUBSTANCES

Mescaline can be successfully potentiated by several other substances, a few of which will be listed below. Part of the reason why a peyote trip is different from a San Pedro trip, or one with synthetic mescaline is the mix of other alkaloids. Peyote and other cacti sometimes contain significant amounts of quinolines or other compounds that are known to potentiate mescaline, or at least affect the trip. The subjective effects of ingesting mescaline can be varied widely depending on set and setting and other compounds ingested concurrently.

LSD - When mescaline and LSD are used in combination, the recommended dosage is: 200 - 400 mg of mescaline with 100 - 300ug of LSD. This combination has been described as smoother, more mellow, and giving a longer experience than each used alone. Some subjects find this to be a rather trying trip, considering it as harsh with unpleasant somatic effects.

There have been a significant number of studies in this area in the mid to late 1950's. After giving a high dose mixture of mescaline and LSD to 74 chronic neurotics in the early 1960's, some surprising results were discovered. After 6 months, 12 subjects showed marked improvement, 22 showed some improvement, and the rest showed slight improvement.



Licorice Root - There is evidence that mescaline can be potentiated by drinking a tea made from licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra). 2 to 3 cups of strong tea are brewed and consumed at the start of or at the waning stages of the trip. It is said to increase the intensity of the experience by up to 3 times. This tea may contain MAOI's, so caution is advised.

Melatonin - I have heard a report that Melatonin ( available in most Health food stores ) will potentiate the effects of ingesting mescaline. The preferred and most effective method is to take 10-15mg before bed, a week in succession before the trip. If this is not practical, 20-25mg may be taken at least 12 hours before the actual trip. The later method works but is not as efficient as the week long method. It is said that the "7 day boost" used in conjunction with beta-carbolines (below) results in an "ultra-euphoric boost".

Beta carbolines - Several people reported to me that they had potentiated mescaline with Harmala compounds such as Syrian rue (Peganum harmala). The average amount ingested was around 3-5 grams of powdered or extracted seeds. Powdered seeds can be put into gel-caps to hide the intense bitterness. It is said that this method can increase the intensity of the trip 3 fold, and up to double the duration. It is said that frequent use of this combination will bring about a marked tolerance. Exercise caution as harmala compounds are MAOI's. The preferred method of ingesting Syrian rue is the water extraction technique.



Ginger Tea - I have also heard reports that a strong tea made of ginger would potentiate the effects of mescaline. No further details available.

Solanaceus Herbs - Peruvian curanderos have been known to add Datura (a solanaceous plant) to the boiled San Pedro extract to give it stronger powers of divination. Contains atropine, scopolamine and other tropanes. Use these substances with extreme caution.

Moclobomide - There have been recent reports that this substance will markedly increase the intensity and duration of the trip.
 
associativum said:
ComaProphet said:
Does anyone know what would be a better choice to mix with phen's, like anything that helps intensify the effects in a safe and comfortable way



Hi Coma Prophet ,


I think maybe you could intensify your mescaline with Piperine , or cacao /cacao extracts , or even Piracetam?

What about Cannabis or Nitrous Oxide ?

I can personally tell you that piracetam @ 1-2g/day for a week or two prior to taking mescaline, 2C-X, or MDxx will change, potentiate, and extend the experience. Melatonin also works well in combination with Mescaline to potentiate the experience (can't tell you why, just that it works).

MAOI's + San Pedro and Achuma have been tested and found to increase potency and duration without dangerous or uncomfortable side effects. I would not ever mix with 2C-x.

A mix of piracetam daily + 4-6mgs of melatonin nightly + 1.5grams syrian rue extracted into a tea combined with 40g alcohol extracted Achuma (each) resulted in a 14hr extremely euphoric and visual experience for both the wife and I.
 
psychonaut said:
DarkShaman said:
I'm a bit confused as to the whole ssri-->maoi-->phen combination danger concept. The reason behind this is that I take zoloft (an ssri) and an above-average doseage of adderall (which, I don't think is a phen, but is an amphetamine all the same) on a daily basis. Additionally, I have combined harmaline, alcohol, and various other things with dmt and can't say that I've ever experienced any ill effects. Any thoughts?

amphetamine is considered a phen. MAOI + SSRI is dangerous because it causes too much serotonin to be in the brain and possible serotonin syndrome(SSRIs stop serotonin from being taken back into the synapse and MAOIs stop MAO from metabolizing serotonin). Phen + MAOI is dangerous because phens are generally heavy on dopamine and noradrenaline. If there is less MAO, then there is more of both and they then have more of an effect(increase heart rate, blood pressure, temperature, etc.)

So then it sounds as if a combination of all three should be considered quite dangerous, no? Perhaps this explains the frequent migraines that I've been experiencing, and maybe even my high blood-pressure. . . Damn pharmeceutical companies!
 
DarkShaman said:
Jorkest said:
that would do it..you may want to try not taking those drugs..and see if the migraines go away

Word. I've been looking for a reason to stop taking that crap anyways.

take some LSD for migraines!
If cessation does stop the migraines, you might want to consider dropping one of them or at least skipping your dose when using an MAOI. Sounds like a good plan :)
 
I would love to take some lsd - that is, if real lsd were even available these days.
Oh well, at least I have nothing to fear from the dark, psilocybic lair in which I dwell.



p.s.-free mumia
 
Small amounts of LSA are also great for headaches, as are small amount of 5-MeO-DMT. A good source of 5-MeO-DMT is virola resin. About 500 mg of the resin taken orally is enough to use for most headaches without it being hallucinogenic. The advantage 5-MeO-DMT has over LSD or LSA is that it doesn’t keep you up all night because it only lasts a couple of hours.
 
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