Plant Based Home Made Localized Tranquilizers

[SWIMfriend]

What would be worse in court?

* drugging someone out of self defense rendering them temporarily unconscious or stupefied.
* shooting someone non-fatally out of self defense.

actually...drugging someone. It's still an assault (with a drug). And then you're also charged with possession, and with...something like "poisoning." Multiple big charges. With the gun...you would likely get off with no charges (as long as the person actually broke into your house).

...at least in the USA

 

[MagikVenom]

If you confront a bad guy or gal who has a gun or knife it may not be good. Remember the old saying dont bring a salvia dart to a gun or knife fight. Mace is a better option in my opinion but they could still shoot after being maced.

 

[coz42]

Buy yourself a parrot.

Teach it to start plucking its feathers off and bring it to a vet.

Ask for haloperidol.

I wouldn't recommend such an act of abuse, but there are no herbal tranquilizers substitues for barbiturates, antipsychotics, etc. xD

 

[MagikVenom]

i love my mossberg i sleep with it (no not under the bed.. by my side in the space between the bed and wall.. i usually sleep with my hand on the pump)
one round half chambered (pump half out) and 5 in the magazine (OOB people killers)
yes i keep the safety on thats just a thumbthrow away
as for the pumping sound yea that may scare most people away
i however dont want them to know what to expect i want them to think im asleep
i can silently chamber the round by sliding the pump forward slowly and silently click off the saftey... ah firearms i love em as much as the good doc himself

Yes the shot gun is the best for inhome self defence it will rip a big hole but wont go thru walls and hit a faimly member like a rifle or pistol

 

['Coatl]

I've actually had the very same idea... but mine was slightly more sinister... Brugmansia darts.

:twisted:

 

[69ron]

Yeah, that's my take on it. Legally, I believe you'd be better off shooting someone in self defense. However, I think it would easier to prove you shot someone rather than drugged someone.

Imagine a known felon breaks into your house with many prior convictions and you blow a cloud of scopolamine into his face. He’ll fall to the ground and be unconscious for quite some time. You call the police. When they arrive, you say, the guy broke into your home, was acting all crazy and then collapsed on your floor. The police drag the guy away and get him to a hospital. When he recovers he’ll be acting really crazy. If the police question him, he won’t be making any sense. He’ll appear to be a mad man. They’ll check his record and just assume he’s high on PCP or something else.

Because the guy has no gun wounds, no signs that you hit him or did anything of that nature, and because he’s got a criminal record, and he doesn’t remember what happened, no one is going to believe him if he claims you drugged him. No one. They’re likely to assume he took drugs on his own and is making up the story.

To make the story even more convincing, you plant some of the scopolamine on him. Put a small bag of the stuff in his jacket pocket. Make sure you don’t touch the baggy with your fingers though.

If he’s a criminal, the last thing he’ll want to do is talk to the police anyway. And if he does when he’s back to normal, his memory will be all bonkers. Who’s going to believe the guy? He’ll remember things that are completely impossible to have happened because scopolamine hallucinations appear to be real to the victim.

Imagine it from the criminal’s point of view. He enters your home and suddenly you blow a cloud of dust on him, and then immediately he starts seeing you transform into an alien with a million eyes and tentacles are growing out of you and squeezing the life out of him. He sees himself die and go to hell, etc. It will be a horrible experience for the guy. It will look completely real. He’ll think he’s gone mad. When he comes to, he’ll be in a hospital, and won’t remember how he got there or what happened. He’ll remember going into your house and that’s about it. You can be sure he’ll be afraid of you for a long time.

Like I said, I don’t like any of these ideas. I think shooting someone, drugging someone, it’s all the same. But if your life is threatened then you should do whatever you can to stay alive in self defense. I think it’s better to drug someone than to kill them. I don’t believe in taking another person’s life unless it’s absolutely necessary for self defense purposes because there’s no other alternative.

 

[Phlux-]

totally agreed with all those points ron - thanks for the reply, but i have only 1 disagreement.
i watched a video series on youtube of how scopolomine is used to drug and rob ppl in columbia - drugging someone and drugging someone with scopolomine are 2 different things and the scopolomine route seems preddy dangerous. Its easy to overdose someone on it and kill them where as with salvia u could deliver massive doses and never worry about that person potentially dyeing.
You know some tribes punish their kids by feeding them tropane alkalods, guess its the kinda punishment you only need to experience once to learn your lesson, imagine being chased thru the jungle by a color changing tapir/eagle/monkey/anaconda as a child, doubt you'd steal the manioc pudding again.
Perhaps for some of the reasons described in this post a salvia/5-meo combo aerosol spray would work best - maybe even some kinda preloaded 3 shot one with a chamber for each premeasured dose blasted out when required by one of those co2 or n2o cartridges. kinda like a frozen orange gun or a popcorn shotgun.

 

['Coatl]

How about a shotgun with flare-rounds and a barrel full of Habanero peppers and Brugmansia pollen?

 

[Pebble on the Beach]

just get a sword. Pulling out a sword will send perpatrators running.

My idea. I've got katana style blade nrxt to my bed. Not a real Japanese one but a decent sword, nice weight and close to perfect balance point.

 

[69ron]

[quote='Coatl]How about a shotgun with flare-rounds and a barrel full of Habanero peppers and Brugmansia pollen?
[/quote]

You know a squirt gun filled with habanero juice is quite effective. It won't kill the guy or knock him out. It's totally safe. You squirt the attacker in the eyes, it burns like crazy! He'll have a hard time seeing with all the tears and pain it will generate in his eyes. It's quite painful. I've gotten some in my eye accidentally once. Imagine having your eyes flooded with it from a squirt gun. Ouch!!!

 

[wake and bacon]

You'd have to have some damn good aim but that would indeed be effective.

 

[Phlux-]

hehe water gun vs real gun(in the hands of a now enraged intruder - better hope u dont miss)

pulling out a sword is not always a good idea - its amazingly stupid but when u pull out a weapon - 90% of the time the enemy is like "ooh the fight is on m**h**f***e*"