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Poll: How is your morality since you discovered DMT?

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ohayoco

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I thought it would be good to have a poll to find out how people feel this aspect of their personality has been affected by their introduction to DMT.

Please include oral preps such as ayawaska as being 'DMT' in this survey. I know there are other chemicals involved, but let's include all methods of ingestion for now, because I expect you'd be hard pressed to find many people who had only smoked and never drank. Perhaps indicate in your comment if you have never drunk but only smoked, or never smoked but only drank, along with your answer.

Please don't feel like I'm saying it's bad to be untidy just because the tidiness poll followed a similar format! It's not :lol:
 
I voted for dreamer that "I'm now more ethical to extreme but healthy level." He is now generally living by his beliefs to a higher level than ever. He has always been ethically driven, and in some respects his behaviour would not always be considered ethical by others (ethics are subjective to a degree), but the point is he is obeying his own rules more than ever before. Of course, he is still human, and makes mistakes all the time, he is still no saint! :lol: He's not out volunteering for charity, but his career is (he believes) an altruistic one. Here's some more on the subject:

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7847 said:
His desire for 'moral cleanliness' has increased: this is the aspect that has heightened since DMT. He feels corrupted if he ever has to spend time with nasty or selfish people, and he is increasingly drawn to warm, genuine and humble people, from whatever social standing or culture. He feels corrupted if he behaves badly himself, and has to behave well for a while until he feels good again.

These areas interest me because they have often been linked to spiritual practice throughout history, such as holy places and holy people needing to remain 'pure', so I was wondering how the Spirit Molecule, which encourages spirituality, affected these behaviours.
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This desire to distance himself from less ethical behaviour is a strange one, because many may view it as being less ethical than trying to help these people (a Christian view, vs a Bhuddist view???).

[EDIT: oh, and the weirdest thing is, he has stopped swearing entirely! He has become conscious to not annoy others by being too boisterous in public, or by saying offensive things or doing things that may offend others unnecessarily, and he will feel bad about it if he does such things accidentally.]
 
I voted I'm now more ethical,to a healthy level.

Why ?? Before i even started using psychedelics,i admit,i wasn't the person i am today.I was materialistic,selfish and to a degree egotistical.Not to such a serious level,but enough to realise it wasn't something to be proud of.Life was getting thru everyday without any consideration towards the world happening before my eyes,and to some extent the people around me.In some ways i was content being isolationist,disconnecting myself from any kind of interaction.It was a bad case of Me,Myself and I.This meant i rarely had any relationship or even dialogue with family members or friends,having no real guidelines for my existence as part of the wider community.

Altho i have some bad history behind me,my attitude somewhat changed when i met my partner.The beginning of a turning point.Albeit,the six years we have been together hasn't been without major upheavals but you live and learn by your mistakes.When he introduced me to psychedelics, it was as if all those years spent being the bastard that i was,had purpose,culminating in a conscious metamorphosis.

Personally,i feel ashamed that it took a psychedelic experience to change serious negative aspects of my life.Looking back i can't understand where or why i chose that path.My 'moral compass' was well and truly sabotaged by my own imperfect reality.

Using DMT and salvia,i feel my 'compass' has been re-aligned.My true directions,my north,south,east and west have been rediscovered.Morality,once lost has been found.No,i'm not perfect,but still i strive to be better.

At this point in my life i have never felt more content or connected.Moreso now i have a deeper understanding of love,compassion,synergy and synchronicity.

In some respect , "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts"




Kudos too to the Nexus community :d
 
I feel more ethical but it is through the way I view myself..before psychedelics I was a sort of depressed person..I didnt have many friends in high school other than a few close ones..

I wasn't a "cool" kid by other peoples standards..I was a "skid"..all I cared about was skateboarding and punk rock, it was my life and I was branded by others by it..not many people at all were into skateboarding in my area until later on..I was also really into painting in high school and was obsessed with salvidor dali for a bit in grd 12 and people thought that was quite werd!

I think I had low self esteem or something..but when I found psychedelics I knew things were changing rapidly..I saw how I was hurting myself by constantly comparing myself to other people..even though this was something I was always against..I thought I was part of the counter culture I guess but psychedelics helped me see how I was still comparing myself to other things, always downplaying who I already was..I let girls walk all over me and was always running after them saying sorry for things I didn't do etc..sort of needy I guess..

I started to realise that I am beautiful..everything and everyone is and began to respect myself more be my own person for real..and it made me realize how that is really all anyone wants..to be respected for what they already are..not what others think they should be..

Psychedelics made me want to live with that in mind..that all people are perfect the way they are..and that life gets to everyone..that we should all respect each other no matter the circumstance and try as best we can to put ourself in others shoes..something I am still working on but the message is clear every time I voyage.

So I guess at first psychedelics like DMT and psilocybin made me want to be a better person for ME..but through that process I saw myself in others and vice versa and relized that by respecting others I am essentially respecting myself.
 
ohayoco said:
[EDIT: oh, and the weirdest thing is, he has stopped swearing entirely! He has become conscious to not annoy others by being too boisterous in public, or by saying offensive things or doing things that may offend others unnecessarily, and he will feel bad about it if he does such things accidentally.]
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I feel like that as well, but I still find myself swearing..I dont really like it though..something I need to work on.

i dont think you take a psychedelic and everything bad jsut dissapears..but it brings it to the surface for you to work on that is for sure.
 
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i dont think you take a psychedelic and everything bad jsut dissapears..but it brings it to the surface for you to work on that is for sure.
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Exactly.For me it was like a blank canvas.I could start my own masterpiece and every line,shape and colour has an aspect of what i am.

Something everyone can look at,and see the beauty in the way it all comes together.
 
I'm much more sure about how i view reality and what i consider right. Nobody else can make my conscience go bad for a thing i'm 100% convinced of.
I have high morals and try to be as respectful and gentle as i can be.
Even I sometimes think immoral. :)
 
Well, my first time doing a high dose of DMT changed my life. Made me realize my mortality and how fragile life really is, (among other things).

On a different level, it seems like when I'm on DMT (or any enthogen really) I regret and feel guilty for the actions that i know were wrong much much more than I normally would. This effect has really given me motivation to change my lifestyle, so I would not have a reason to feel guilty about anything.
 
Thank you all for voting and your touching responses. I can completely relate to them all so far.

I'm surprised that smoking DMT has made someone less ethical, I'd be especially interested to hear more about that...
 
I voted that I became less ethical but not unhealthily so.

I have always been respectful and considerate of other people, this mainly came from my conservative upbringing. When I was 16 I had a life changing spiritual moment. I saw the "Otherside" in my sleep. For someone who had at that stage never been drunk let alone taken psychedelics it was both frightening and enlightening.

From then on I became far more involved in society and behaved as though I owed the world something; I felt as though I had to justify my existence, the gift of life was something that had so lovingly been given that I had to return the 'favor' as best I could.

After I smoked spice I realized that the majority of the people around me were selfish, arrogant self-centered individuals who ultimately were out for themselves. Why should I give them 110%? Human compassion? Love? These are people who made my life miserable at times and showed absolute disregard for my feelings and emotions. I owe them nothing.

Life is to fragile to be strung up over such thoughts. If I dislike what someone does or how they feel, then I just pass it by. This does not mean I have to be rude to them. I have become more detached from my emotions.

It's 2am here and I haven't read what I wrote, maybe I'll finish it another time too tired now
 
Ah, I see what you mean. I agree, I feel sorry for people who martyr themselves for ungrateful others, choosing the role of servant/doormat. Love is about sharing, not surrendering your fair share to others. Life is too short, indeed. I personally don't see it as unethical to not serve the selfish, in fact I think your attitude could actually be more ethical now, depending on how you go about it. Giving a spoilt child what he wants will only spoil him further :)
 
GanjaSmile said:
I voted that I became less ethical but not unhealthily so.

I have always been respectful and considerate of other people, this mainly came from my conservative upbringing. When I was 16 I had a life changing spiritual moment. I saw the "Otherside" in my sleep. For someone who had at that stage never been drunk let alone taken psychedelics it was both frightening and enlightening.

From then on I became far more involved in society and behaved as though I owed the world something; I felt as though I had to justify my existence, the gift of life was something that had so lovingly been given that I had to return the 'favor' as best I could.

After I smoked spice I realized that the majority of the people around me were selfish, arrogant self-centered individuals who ultimately were out for themselves. Why should I give them 110%? Human compassion? Love? These are people who made my life miserable at times and showed absolute disregard for my feelings and emotions. I owe them nothing.

Life is to fragile to be strung up over such thoughts. If I dislike what someone does or how they feel, then I just pass it by. This does not mean I have to be rude to them. I have become more detached from my emotions.

It's 2am here and I haven't read what I wrote, maybe I'll finish it another time too tired now
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8) A whole lot of truth there...I believe that noone owes anyone anything...we live, we die..there are no debts to be paid...In the end we want to leave this place better off and see change becasue it is what WE want to see...I am all for love and compassion..but I got to that point by realizing that I was better off going about things that way..easier to see a bit of everyone in everyone and have some sympathy than to go around blaming and hating everyone..

People should love themselves more and give themselves a break. they might realise they need it and so does everyone else.
 
It's still a small sample size, but here's what we have so far:

- 21% have not perceived any change in their morality levels.
- 72% think they're more ethical since their introduction to DMT.
- 4% think they've become less ethical. However, it could be argued that for this person, this result was a positive change.

- 8% think their morality levels have increased to an unhealthy degree, which doesn't sound positive- I'd like to hear more about this if possible please, if people who voted this way would like to share.

Thanks for your votes, please continue voting! :)
 
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Excellent poll, sir. I feel I have become healthily ethical(note the lisp) but agree to an extent with GanjaSmile.

My OWN actions have become purer in intent as respect to my relationships, but my insight into others behaviours and the loops they are in of cause-effect-blame-repeat make me realize that very few have what it takes to REALLY be happy.

I don't want to sound like an elitist, but I feel I AM a part of a special group of self-actualized individuals who have risen above the swirling and chaotic masses and their little turf war. Is this the ego I am trying so hard to rid myself of?

Its like the answers above, Spice tunes in ones' compassion and if anyone has read my post in experiences 'the purity phase' I speak of the spice 'cleaning' me first before going deeper.


Namaste,

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Its made me a bit more conscientious of what Im doing..to a healthy point..I seem to interact with more empathy towards people..Im a nurse, so it has proven very useful to my career.. Im only an occasional user, a little toke heae an there, but stilll enough to help me out..
 
Morality. hmmm.

More balanced. But less in line with mainstream ethics about what is good/bad. My idea about what is important and significant (to me, to us) has changed allot. If i have the choice, i will go for a win-win situation. It has got something to do with love i think. I am not clear on that one. My idea of what is love is starting to change also. I am much more forgiving these days.

But also less of a hypocrite. Actualy, since more of my personal (human) flaws have been realised and accepted, i must conclude that i am now a less good person. I see more flaws now by which i judge myself and others. I am forced to be forgiving ;)
 
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