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Possible long term lung damage from vaporized DMT
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Mr.Peabody
Rising Star
I dunno bud! I have only really done changa, but have never had any lung issues. Seems like some of the herbs used in my changa are probably harder on the lungs than pure DMT. And I've done the stuff pretty regularly for stretches.
Honestly, I'd say lay off the weed for a bit, and see how that goes. I read a thing on Erowid today about the effects of mj smoke on the lungs here.. As lovely as the pretty green plant is, it's not pure sunshine all the time, it can have some drawbacks. I hardly get a chance to do it cause of drug tests.
And if nothing clears up after a bit, definitely see the doc. Could be a sign of more serious issues.
Honestly, I'd say lay off the weed for a bit, and see how that goes. I read a thing on Erowid today about the effects of mj smoke on the lungs here.. As lovely as the pretty green plant is, it's not pure sunshine all the time, it can have some drawbacks. I hardly get a chance to do it cause of drug tests.
And if nothing clears up after a bit, definitely see the doc. Could be a sign of more serious issues.
Cosmic Rift
Rising Star
Do a Re-X on it and I imagine it will be less harsh.
There was one member in particular, can't remember who, that was a honey mooner. Don't recall him saying anything about any issues with his lungs. Maybe he'll pass by this post and give his take.
Do a search for "honeymoon" or "honeymooner" or something like that in the nexus search. Should popup some threads of people who "used it a lot" near the begining.
There's also the possibility of something in your spice that you don't want. A reX should fix that as cosmic rift said.
Do a search for "honeymoon" or "honeymooner" or something like that in the nexus search. Should popup some threads of people who "used it a lot" near the begining.
There's also the possibility of something in your spice that you don't want. A reX should fix that as cosmic rift said.
I AM RIGHT THERE WITH U ! MY COUGH GOT BAD AND MY CHEST HURT BAD CO WORKERS AND FAMILY TOLD ME I SOUNDED HORRIBLE AND IT WAS HARD TO DO MORE DMT I ALSO NOTICED WHEN I DID COUGH IT TOOK MY HIGH AWAY MAKING IT UNABLE TO FALL OUT LIKE I LIKE TO DO . I HAVE MORE PROBLEMS THEN THE COUGH NOW THE DMT IS WORKING FOR EVERYONE AROUND ME BUT WONT WORK FOR ME .MAYBE IM THINKING TO MUCH I CANT IMAGINE MY BRAIN WOULD DO THIS TO ME CUZ I LOVE DMT SO MUCH
Jarl Von Hoother
Underwater Pyrotechnition Underdog at Large
^^^ RE=X Concurred
The tiny yellow like lipid particles- assumed as the cause for your respiratory problems
If you have much for a stash left recrystallize with Heptane, (Bestine or best-test) - use 30ml for every gram. so a 4 ounce can will last you a decade at your current DMTvaping rate...
Bestine is highly recommended not only for super-purity and a smoother smoke without the plastic taste but, because it also reduces the harsh effects on your lungs.
Hotbath bestine, and mix DMT until it dissolves and a heap of brown insoluble scum will be left behind. Besides freeze precipitation with Bestine begins to work its *magic* within the hour.
so buy a cheap bottle of Bestine
and for your next batch
after you've allowed your freeze precipitated VMP Naphtha DMT to dry
followed by Recrystallizing with Bestine-
get your camera ready, posting back
and hang on tight...
not to mention nationwide rated number one respritory supplement ClearLungs can be bought for a considerable price range.
DMT is a diet... and like all diets exercise is included
Good luck, and post your Extraction pics when you get that Bestine...
Trust me
Sincerely Jarl Von Hoother
The tiny yellow like lipid particles- assumed as the cause for your respiratory problems
If you have much for a stash left recrystallize with Heptane, (Bestine or best-test) - use 30ml for every gram. so a 4 ounce can will last you a decade at your current DMTvaping rate...
Bestine is highly recommended not only for super-purity and a smoother smoke without the plastic taste but, because it also reduces the harsh effects on your lungs.
Hotbath bestine, and mix DMT until it dissolves and a heap of brown insoluble scum will be left behind. Besides freeze precipitation with Bestine begins to work its *magic* within the hour.
so buy a cheap bottle of Bestine
and for your next batch
after you've allowed your freeze precipitated VMP Naphtha DMT to dry
followed by Recrystallizing with Bestine-
get your camera ready, posting back
and hang on tight...
not to mention nationwide rated number one respritory supplement ClearLungs can be bought for a considerable price range.
DMT is a diet... and like all diets exercise is included
Good luck, and post your Extraction pics when you get that Bestine...
Trust me
Sincerely Jarl Von Hoother
DMTDAVE said:
Jarl Von Hoother
Underwater Pyrotechnition Underdog at Large
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Your lungs are ingesting a basic substance. This is bound to have a negative effect on the lungs in one way or another, sooner or later. Try snorting some freebase and see how that feels on your sinuses. Not very nice, I bet... Part of the reason why DMT should be used infrequently IMO...
What would you consider good use? Cause once or twice a month doesn't seem that frequent to me. Although I use it much less, but that's mainly due to the high level of anxiety I get. I would like to be able to do it at that rate, and wouldn't think that was over using. Although it would also depend on each experience and I would feel that out as well.
"Vaporized" -> How?
Burning DMT (as a result of trying to smoke it) will break down the molecule in several compounds... Could be different kind of oxides, some containing nitrogen, indole-based, maybe some more simple aromatic compounds like benzene which are even carcinogenic and so on... That is why you want to vaporize, not smoke, so you'd only get the vaporized DMT in your lungs and no other breakdown compounds.
I do not guarantee that you are safe long term by smoking DMT, and I think its very understandable and logical that you'd get irritated lungs from smoking DMT, but vaporizing it properly (for example GVG, Inspirator MKII, etc,) should definitely be way safer and easier on the lungs.
Burning DMT (as a result of trying to smoke it) will break down the molecule in several compounds... Could be different kind of oxides, some containing nitrogen, indole-based, maybe some more simple aromatic compounds like benzene which are even carcinogenic and so on... That is why you want to vaporize, not smoke, so you'd only get the vaporized DMT in your lungs and no other breakdown compounds.
I do not guarantee that you are safe long term by smoking DMT, and I think its very understandable and logical that you'd get irritated lungs from smoking DMT, but vaporizing it properly (for example GVG, Inspirator MKII, etc,) should definitely be way safer and easier on the lungs.
Hard to say really, I guess it depends on other factors besides just DMT as well. Like, do you smoke cigarettes/ weed? Or have asthma? I have been getting some discomfort in my chest lately, mainly from smoking weed Bongs, which I have since stopped doing, but I also smoked my way through quite a bit of DMT / Changa last year, as in, a few times a day a few times aweek for a couple of months, before settling down to 1-2x a month. I haven't smoalked any in ages actually, despite getting the call, my life isn't in the best place for me to be doing such things.
That doesn't really answer the question, I know, but I think it's highly dependant on the individual. I'm going to be smoking DMT very infrequently from now on and looking to do Aya/Pharma instead.
If your body is complaining, listen to it.
That doesn't really answer the question, I know, but I think it's highly dependant on the individual. I'm going to be smoking DMT very infrequently from now on and looking to do Aya/Pharma instead.
If your body is complaining, listen to it.
I agree with your post, if your body is showing signs that something isn't right it's a good idea to change up what your doing to cause it. It's also a good idea to find the groove that fits you as far as frequency of use goes.
My life also isn't in the right moment to partake in the molecule either, but a part of me is telling me that's why it's the right time, my situation itself feels like it wants to show me something.
My life also isn't in the right moment to partake in the molecule either, but a part of me is telling me that's why it's the right time, my situation itself feels like it wants to show me something.
Mystic0
Ninja of Consciousness
Do you smoke tobacco? Marijuana pure actually heals your lungs, it's been used to cure bronchitis for a very long time and removes a lot of the crap from your chest.
I would imagine that you're getting some impurity in your DMT, you shouldn't be getting that kind of result from vapour, although I don't know enough about it to comment really.
Again from my own short lived experiences with DMT it's something you should never abuse, maybe once or twice a year... perhaps it's the spices way of saying you need to lay off it entirely for a while, I know it's shown me that with the amount of psychedelics and various other drugs I have ingested over the last 4-6 months, it told me to take a huge step back and organise this reality for a bit.
I would imagine that you're getting some impurity in your DMT, you shouldn't be getting that kind of result from vapour, although I don't know enough about it to comment really.
Again from my own short lived experiences with DMT it's something you should never abuse, maybe once or twice a year... perhaps it's the spices way of saying you need to lay off it entirely for a while, I know it's shown me that with the amount of psychedelics and various other drugs I have ingested over the last 4-6 months, it told me to take a huge step back and organise this reality for a bit.
Weed does not heal your lungs. You are inhaling burnt plant matter, tar, carcinogenic material. Maybe if you do it infrequently, but for regular smokers, I am sure the frequency of use negates any positives. I have smoked it regularly both with and without tobacco and both eventually led to 'smokers cough' / mild bronchitis type symptoms after a while. Nothing smoked is good for your lungs long term...
I developed a cough when I first switched to a VG.
Before I was using a bong and it would be quite natural to take hits good and deep. With the pipe style mechanism it took.some practice to get these hits deep enough and they must have settled too high up and caused irritation to a more sensitive area and hey presto, cough -> plegm..
Sound about right?
These hits are also much less effective as you're not absorbing the goods the way you should which is pretty much what you're coughing out I believe.
The spice I smoke is effectively glass and obviously with the VG I wasn't burning the goods so this is what I believe was going on.
Before I was using a bong and it would be quite natural to take hits good and deep. With the pipe style mechanism it took.some practice to get these hits deep enough and they must have settled too high up and caused irritation to a more sensitive area and hey presto, cough -> plegm..
Sound about right?
These hits are also much less effective as you're not absorbing the goods the way you should which is pretty much what you're coughing out I believe.
The spice I smoke is effectively glass and obviously with the VG I wasn't burning the goods so this is what I believe was going on.
strange_loops
Rising Star
anrchy said:
I too was a honeymooner. Everybody seems to look externally for answers as to how much is appropriate. I think it's important to trust ourselves, and figure it out as it is different for everybody. I smoke about twice a month, though at first it was 5 days a week for a few weeks. It's certainly not sustainable, but I don't regret that, the experience was incredible. I learned to navigate the space in a way i never thought possible.
Anyways - I have never had problems with my lungs. I experienced some fatigue and body aches - which always concerned me. Particularly the body aches. I am a daily pot smoker as well. Which leads me to think that the problem is either the way you are vaporizing, or the quality of your spice. Most likely the latter.
Did you try ReX?
MichaelMaoI
Rising Star
Yeah DMT is one of the most harmful drugs too VAPe other then spice but i would rather have something spiritual then chemical IMO just found this site and decided too check it out fellow trippers... :twisted:
SmoovPnCali
Reality is a matter of perspective...
endlessness said:
I think Endlessness might have hit the nail right on the head here. The first pipe I used was very similar to the one you describe. I experienced the same tightness and cough you describe. The mucus I coughed up tasted just as you describe. I since switched to the GVG and have had no peoblems.
I also have Asthma and smoked MJ for daily for about 10 years. I stopped after I found DMT. Weird but I just lost the motivation for MJ. Don't even miss it. Smoking MJ will decrease you lungs capacity by about 10% but as soon as you stop smoking it, the lung capacity will come right back.
I think your probably vaporizing part of the contents of your pipe and burning a good portion of it. I only indulge in Vaping with my GVG about 3-6 times a month and have had no ill effects. She takes good care of me! :thumb_up:
