prepping for first oral journey

[MadPlanter]

Upcoming next month I will be doing a form of aya for the first time. I imagine there are many brew methods but I had ran into a few that seem fairly simple. I wanted to check on the validity of the stuff I read by asking the community here.

So I will be using rue and acacia confusa. I believe a good dose of rue to be 3-5 grams so I've read. I believe that anywhere between 5-10 grams bark in combo with the rue should be massively effective. Is this correct?

I personally plan on maybe 3.5g rue and probably 8g of acrb. Is that a relatively good dose do you all feel for a first timer? I do want a full experience that will hopefully go well but does certainly blow me away.

The brew method will be as follows. Steep the ground up rue seeds in just boiled water. Strain and repeat two more times adding each steep together and discarding rue seed mush after third steep. Then do at least three steeps with the bark separate from the rue. Combine bark steeps and discard bark when done. Drink rue 45min before starting to drink bark tea a few gulps at a time over about an hour until bark tea is gone. Does that method sound as if it might work. Seemed simple to me but I've never done it so maybe its that easy.

Thanks for any advice!

 

[Entheogenerator]

How long do you intend to "steep" for?

 

[3rdI]

morning MadPlanter,

id just do some proper boils so that you get all the goodies out, I think its very wastefull to just do the short brews some people suggest, you dont want to waste any Magic.

id recommend at least 3x 1 hour boils, then combine and reduce. I also wouldnt wait for 45 mins, that seems along time to me, id either drink them together (like in the jungle) or 10 mins apart (like in my house:d)

good luck with your journey and dont forget to let us know how it goes:thumb_up:

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

I agree with 3rdI about the proper boil and consumption.

I have found that consuming the molecule and the Maoi at the same time works fine for me.

 

[Ryusaki]

3.5 gr Rue can be too much for some people for the first time. Same with 8 gr ACBR.
Do you have any experience with Rue alone?
Nevertheless, brew that amount, you might even brew some more Rue, but i would suggest you drink maybe 2-3gr Rue with 3-4gr ACBR first (15 min apart) and wait some time. If its not enough you can up the dose.

 

[The Unknowing]

If you don't want to waste the ingredients, just eat them
I've done 3g rue + 15g ACRB mixed in Orange juice and gulped it down a few times. It works great! The trip lasts considerably longer though...8-10 hours.

Don't try 15g though. Start with about 5g
15= GOD

 

[MadPlanter]

How long do you intend to "steep" for?

I suppose after reading all the replies I will be boiling instead.

 

[MadPlanter]

morning MadPlanter,

id just do some proper boils so that you get all the goodies out, I think its very wastefull to just do the short brews some people suggest, you dont want to waste any Magic.

id recommend at least 3x 1 hour boils, then combine and reduce. I also wouldnt wait for 45 mins, that seems along time to me, id either drink them together (like in the jungle) or 10 mins apart (like in my house:d)

good luck with your journey and dont forget to let us know how it goes:thumb_up:

Thanks man this sounds a lot better than just steeping. I'm glad I came to ask so I didn't waste so much good stuff.

Might I ask that if they can be consumed together can they also be boiled together? I'd assume yes but want to be certain.

 

[3rdI]

you can boil them together but its not neccesarily a good idea before you have your dosage dialed in, boiling them apart means you can mix and match your levels of each plant untill you hit your sweet spot.

Id boil 3 times the amount of plants you think you will need (10g rue/20g acrb) so that you can add more if you dont get to where you want to be without worrying about running out. You can always freeze any brew left over if you need to store it long term

 

[MadPlanter]

3.5 gr Rue can be too much for some people for the first time. Same with 8 gr ACBR.
Do you have any experience with Rue alone?
Nevertheless, brew that amount, you might even brew some more Rue, but i would suggest you drink maybe 2-3gr Rue with 3-4gr ACBR first (15 min apart) and wait some time. If its not enough you can up the dose.

I have no experience with rue alone and only a few smoked DMT experiences at that.

If I were to brew double the suggested dose for each the bark and rue I could just consume half of each right? If that's not enough take a gulp or two more of each? If the event there's left over stuff how long might it stay good? Refrigeration or frozen? Thanks

 

[MadPlanter]

If you don't want to waste the ingredients, just eat them
I've done 3g rue + 15g ACRB mixed in Orange juice and gulped it down a few times. It works great! The trip lasts considerably longer though...8-10 hours.

Don't try 15g though. Start with about 5g
15= GOD

Don't worry I won't go 15g of bark especially the first time! I did consider encapsulation of the materials and just eat them straight p but that will probably cause massive purging which for me is fine if I have to. I usually purge even with mushrooms and cacti and feel massively better afterwards. Would rather lessen the chance of purge though if I can just to go it easy on a first time journey.

 

[MadPlanter]

you can boil them together but its not neccesarily a good idea before you have your dosage dialed in, boiling them apart means you can mix and match your levels of each plant untill you hit your sweet spot.

Id boil 3 times the amount of plants you think you will need (10g rue/20g acrb) so that you can add more if you dont get to where you want to be without worrying about running out. You can always freeze any brew left over if you need to store it long term

Thanks for the suggestion! I will most likely boil extra just in case. If the event of a lot of extra I have a friend who's probably down to make use of it so there won't be any wasting. If h isn't down I will freeze it for my next occasion. Thanks again!

 

[MadPlanter]

Also might I ask if I should add some kind acid to the boiling of each the rue and or the bark? Like a small amount of white vinegar or lemon juice to help the active stuff to come out. Or is that unnecessary and would make it taste worse for no good reason.

 

[3rdI]

i dont use vinegar any more as it tastes nasty and i dont find it makes much difference, sometimes i will do an extra boil just in case but when extracting i havent noticed much difference in yields between vinegar and no vinegar.

i would also leave your rue seeds whole, it makes life much easier

 

[MadPlanter]

Cool man thanks. I'd imagine the rue seeds being whole would still get penetrated pretty well being boiled three plus times for an hour. Thanks again for all the help. I'll try and leave a good report once all has happened. I'm not nearly as well with words as some of you but I'll try. Peace

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Have you considered doing a harmala extraction on the rue instead of making a brew?

I tend to favor Pharma over brews. Mainly because I really like watching the Manske process. Watching the crystal formation is really cool!!! Lol.

Another Benefit of Pharma is that you have a good idea of how much you are consuming from the very start.

Check out the harmala extractions in the Wiki.

 

[MadPlanter]

Have you considered doing a harmala extraction on the rue instead of making a brew?

I tend to favor Pharma over brews. Mainly because I really like watching the Manske process. Watching the crystal formation is really cool!!! Lol.

Another Benefit of Pharma is that you have a good idea of how much you are consuming from the very start.

Check out the harmala extractions in the Wiki.

Someday I certainly will try a harmala extract but this time around I'm just gonna brew it up.

Just finished most of my second ever DMT extraction. It turned out well but not the yields I was expecting. That was with naphtha anyway. Still haven't evaped the xylene to see what it beholds. I think most of the actives might reside there. If the bark was a little old the DMT might have become DMT n-oxide and therefore be more soluble in xylene. Still have to wait and see though. If the xylene yields not much I guess the bark was crappy. We shall see...

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

What extraction tek are you using?

I tend to prefer bestine (heptane) as my nps of choice. It works wonders for me

 

[MadPlanter]

Just a regular a/b extraction on 100g of acrb. Plus 20g of previously used acrb added in just for fun. Came out with very little from two naphtha pulls. Like less than a half g total maybe of goo. Have not tried this extract yet. I did my first extract the same way but with 20g bark. The resulting goo was way active!

I had other people telling me to go find some heptane. I'll look and see if I can find some. I definitely want to try it out to compare results.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

After the acid boil, before basing the solution, are you doing a defat?