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Psilocin extraction help
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What about decanting as much as possible and then evaporating the rest? Of course you might lose the crystal form, but if you really want to redissolve there is no point anyways.
Thrilling work :thumb_up:
Thrilling work :thumb_up:
anne halonium
Rising Star
oops sorry steppa.
i usually do things sorta grandly, so loss isnt much of an issue.
obliguhl's idea would a good alt though.
just got out another dental major episode this morning,
and won a battle at work trouncing enemies and got a cash bonus .
but im dying to get at this project.........and cant ATM
anyone have access to merck online?
i usually do things sorta grandly, so loss isnt much of an issue.
obliguhl's idea would a good alt though.
just got out another dental major episode this morning,
and won a battle at work trouncing enemies and got a cash bonus .
but im dying to get at this project.........and cant ATM
anyone have access to merck online?
steppa
Rising Star
Ah...dang it. All is not gold that glitters.
Decanted most of it. Filtered the rest. This took place in a dessicated glovebox to reduce condensation issues. After drying what was in the filter pealed easily off the filter.
Two methods of vaporizing the result were tried. Neither one (bulb vaporizer) nor the other (elecronic vape, crafty) did anything.
Looks like the extraction didn't went as good as it looked. :?
Decanted most of it. Filtered the rest. This took place in a dessicated glovebox to reduce condensation issues. After drying what was in the filter pealed easily off the filter.
Two methods of vaporizing the result were tried. Neither one (bulb vaporizer) nor the other (elecronic vape, crafty) did anything.
Looks like the extraction didn't went as good as it looked. :?
anne halonium
Rising Star
this needs a manhatten project approach.
my dentist here on the island is pretty sharp.
hes aware of my profile, cuz im sorta a beach celeb on the strip.
he would kill me if i went in stinking like solvents .
theres actually several ways we figured out to do this.
as soon as i can play again , ill detail it.
thing is ya have to remember on this,
its a 1% +/- type of game.
so for about 100 G of DUST dry , considering container loss, and other various things,
your not gonna see more than a gram or so.
its sorta a bitch to do batches with less than 250g dry fruits IMO
ya you can, but it becomes a handling game.
consider this one.
soak fruits a week in methanol.
filter.
evap do dust dry.
transfer the dust/ crust to a beaker with pure ice cold lighter fluid. ( 100 Ml)
mag stir and let settle. the fluid will pick up alot of fats and oils,
but lighter fluid wont really dissolve psil at all.
decant and evap.........
just doing that, is gonna put you in a range of power thats unreal.
of course its not pure, but its definitely now in the large matchead range.
my dentist here on the island is pretty sharp.
hes aware of my profile, cuz im sorta a beach celeb on the strip.
he would kill me if i went in stinking like solvents .
theres actually several ways we figured out to do this.
as soon as i can play again , ill detail it.
thing is ya have to remember on this,
its a 1% +/- type of game.
so for about 100 G of DUST dry , considering container loss, and other various things,
your not gonna see more than a gram or so.
its sorta a bitch to do batches with less than 250g dry fruits IMO
ya you can, but it becomes a handling game.
consider this one.
soak fruits a week in methanol.
filter.
evap do dust dry.
transfer the dust/ crust to a beaker with pure ice cold lighter fluid. ( 100 Ml)
mag stir and let settle. the fluid will pick up alot of fats and oils,
but lighter fluid wont really dissolve psil at all.
decant and evap.........
just doing that, is gonna put you in a range of power thats unreal.
of course its not pure, but its definitely now in the large matchead range.
anne halonium
Rising Star
new grills are installed.
hollywood smile and white gold fangs.
time to crank the vacume pumps!
were gonna see if we can work this up now.
might be a week or so as im beyond busy ATM,
but annie never forgets..............
i never realized guys get so turned on by gold teeth.
last night at the club was pandamonium.
sex VS science....the story of my life.
hollywood smile and white gold fangs.
time to crank the vacume pumps!
were gonna see if we can work this up now.
might be a week or so as im beyond busy ATM,
but annie never forgets..............
i never realized guys get so turned on by gold teeth.
last night at the club was pandamonium.
sex VS science....the story of my life.
anne halonium
Rising Star
i thought about it, but cant for security reasons.
the real attraction of this thread is psil extraction anyway.
on to the main event..........
the real attraction of this thread is psil extraction anyway.
on to the main event..........
steppa
Rising Star
...was about time!
I have about 5g of what is attatched there. That's a methanol extract from 50g Cubies that was somehow washed with petrol ether (which didn't do much).
Tests with oral ingestion were performed. It's highly active. Feels like it has the 1:10 concentration, which it should have.
So...how to go from here? What does a chromatography method that is feasable for a kitchen-"chemist" look like?
^..very interesting, thanks for the experimentation steppa
there should be a reasonable about of 'fats' present which NP solvents will take with them..very potent orally active extractions are fairly easy to do...but getting to that blue/grey/purple crystal thing...that's the trick..
i'm still not quite sure why no one here at the nexus just tries the Hofmann technique verbatim (to the letter), as Jim de Korne and myself did, but i am open to various kinds of innovations and methods..it's the sugars and structural proteins (as also benzyme pointed out) that are keeping most of these extracts still a fair way from pure psilocybin/psilocyn
..certainly chromatography is the method for those able and aware to do so, but the Hofmann method can get very close, done carefully..
now, here's another trick (i'm almost done with reveals on the net, but in the name of humito, here we go)
..once pure enough, it's about high temperature..rather than a modern vaporiser, either use an oil pipe or try actually smoking it (with herbal material in a ritual pipe)..there may be an oxidisation trick going on here with the little smoke..which does indeed work, once you strip away enough of what's surrounding the molecule
i wish you all on this path good luck..may the spirit of humito come to you
there should be a reasonable about of 'fats' present which NP solvents will take with them..very potent orally active extractions are fairly easy to do...but getting to that blue/grey/purple crystal
thing...that's the trick..i'm still not quite sure why no one here at the nexus just tries the Hofmann technique verbatim (to the letter), as Jim de Korne and myself did, but i am open to various kinds of innovations and methods..it's the sugars and structural proteins (as also benzyme pointed out) that are keeping most of these extracts still a fair way from pure psilocybin/psilocyn
..certainly chromatography is the method for those able and aware to do so, but the Hofmann method can get very close, done carefully..
now, here's another trick (i'm almost done with reveals on the net, but in the name of humito, here we go)
..once pure enough, it's about high temperature..rather than a modern vaporiser, either use an oil pipe or try actually smoking it (with herbal material in a ritual pipe)..there may be an oxidisation trick going on here with the little smoke..which does indeed work, once you strip away enough of what's surrounding the molecule
i wish you all on this path good luck..may the spirit of humito come to you
steppa
Rising Star
nen888 said:
Yes. The petrol ether wash did at least something. I have attatched a picture of the extract before the wash at the end of this post.
This one?
"A representative sample of 2 to 10g of dried mushrooms is ground to a fine powder by mortar and pestle. The powder is mixed with 100 mL of dilute acetic acid in a 250-mL beaker. The pH is readjusted to pH 4 with glacial acetic acid. After standing 1 h, the beaker is placed in a boiling water bath for 8 to 10 min or until the internal temperature of the acid mixture reaches 70°C. The beaker is removed and cooled to room temperature under running water. The acid mixture is separated from the mushroom powder by suction filtration using glass wool. The filtrate is brought to pH 8 with concentrated ammonium hydroxide and quickly extracted with two 50-mL portions of diethyl ether. Gentle mixing instead of shaking should be used to prevent an emulsion. The ether is dried over sodium sulfate, filtered, and evaporated under nitrogen with no applied heat.
Crude psilocin will appear as a greenish residue. Recrystallization from chloroform/heptane (1:3) yields white crystals. The resulting powder can then be submitted to infrared and mass spectral analyses."
I think I'd have problems with sourcing diethyl ether and chloroform I think.
I already gave anne's "kitchen roll TEK" a try. But results were disappointing. MAybe I did something wrong, though. Or this only makes sense when working with bulk ammounts.
Any word on the grade of purity we are talking about here?
Thanks nen!
^..that's another method too steppa, thanks
by the 'Hofmann technique' in this thread we're referring to the method posted a couple of times in the first few pages of the thread, which yields the crude mushroom alkaloids, namely psilocybin and psilocyn (and traces of others)..all it requires, other than very thorough drying (repeatedly) and powdering, is chloroform (or probably similar), acetone, and methanol..and attention to detail..
this was what also Jim de Korne reported, and it may well behave differently to just psilocyn..
to be semi crystal, as he got, is probably 90-95% alkaloids..no heat or acids involved..
by the 'Hofmann technique' in this thread we're referring to the method posted a couple of times in the first few pages of the thread, which yields the crude mushroom alkaloids, namely psilocybin and psilocyn (and traces of others)..all it requires, other than very thorough drying (repeatedly) and powdering, is chloroform (or probably similar), acetone, and methanol..and attention to detail..
this was what also Jim de Korne reported, and it may well behave differently to just psilocyn..
to be semi crystal, as he got, is probably 90-95% alkaloids..no heat or acids involved..
steppa
Rising Star
End the end...what I want to have is a kind of extract that is smokable. I don't really care if it's 60% pure or 95%. It's not my intention to produce the cleanest extract possible. Just one that is smokable.
Nen, you said
What does that mean in this case? What would be your guess at this?
Nen, you said
What does that mean in this case? What would be your guess at this?
Im very curious about your smoking attempt, let us know how it goes ! And thanks for sharing the results of your experiments
..in the case of the above result am not entirely sure, because as i said earlier, any sugars (& structural proteins) will interfere with pyrolysis ability..depending on how much is bound to the alkaloids..steppa said:
in the case of approaching mainly just alkaloids (the picture of psilocybin crystal by J. Bigwood attached a page or so ago is a good colour guide), then we're talking 180-200 degrees C..
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^..oh i see ..
hard to know..my guess is perhaps milder activity (due to sugars) like the methanol extract jamie said he smoked and got some effects, earlier in the thread..but you never know! ...
edit: steppa i don't want to discourage you in any way..it's just that i can only relay what has confirmed worked..experiment is the only way to find out..
keep up the good work
.. hard to know..my guess is perhaps milder activity (due to sugars) like the methanol extract jamie said he smoked and got some effects, earlier in the thread..but you never know! ...
edit: steppa i don't want to discourage you in any way..it's just that i can only relay what has confirmed worked..experiment is the only way to find out..
keep up the good work