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Releasing DMT from your own body. Tripping without taking anything.

danabanana2

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Here goes...

I don't know where to start and this will likely be a complete mess until I/we can sort it out but I have faith we can do it.

I think a good to think about it is to consider the body as an antenna. If you have taken dmt before, you have likely changed physically going into the trip - your back has straightened, your heart is beating faster and harder, and your breathing has intensified.

I think these 2 things are hand in hand - The DMT experience and the making of your body and mind into a suitable thing to tune in.
Consider the mind to be something that can be tuned and made into a more receptive antenna to see accurately how things really are. I.e. if you think harming innocent sentient beings is a good thing, by holding this view your antennae is crooked or broken and you will not see how things really are. As for changing your view into the correct one, I point you towards the Buddhas teachings. The 4 noble truths, the Eightfold noble path. Any questions regarding this might be better done on a Buddhist forum or at a monastery. I would be happy to try and answer here but it might clog up the board, and there are great monks and teachers out there.

As for the physical aspect, I am not sure why the Buddha or other monks did not teach this (below). Perhaps it is more for people growing up in western culture who have grown up sitting on chairs, sleeping on soft beds, who sit with poor posture looking at screens. Or maybe there are other reasons, I don't know. The Buddha advised to sit erect, cross legged - not with your arms wrapped around your legs. He also suggested to lie down in lions posture with the left left directly on top of the right leg with the body straight. So maybe this is a tutorial on how a lazy westerner can attain a proper sitting or laying posture.


Anyway... making your body into an excellent antenna -
This first occurred when I had a hemp tea in the evening (a few buds from a couple of plants I grew 2 summers ago). I ate the buds after I finished the tea then went to bed.

Feeling very relaxed I felt compelled or guided to do some hip stretches. I have a tight and slightly hunched neck and my sense that a stretch was working was that I felt something pull and release in my neck (from stretching my hips) I feel a slight click or pop in my neck if it is done right. In fact any stretch that resulted in this click/pop in my neck felt very right. After doing these stretches for a while I no longer felt the release in my neck from them and that's when I lay down on my right side, head on pillow - not to sleep, maintaining an awareness and wakefulness the whole time.

I then felt compelled to move the spine in a wave like motion. I tried various ways of doing that - waves starting from the base of the spine, moving up to the head, and waves going the other way, experimenting with the amplitude, speed and frequency.

I also found myself on my back making spinal waves in the other way like a shark, rather than a dolphin.

I will mention here I think the bud tea helped as it gets kind of bonkers but the tea helped me to not care at all about that.
I should also mention this was on the floor. I have been sleeping on the floor for a few years now (I have just a duvet laid on a wooden floor with carpet), as recommended by the Buddha. I'm not sure if would work so well on a soft bed as the body and spine need to be able to be stiff and straight and I think the hips sink into a soft bed. I should also mention that I have always done this in bed, in the late evening (with and without hemp tea)

Carrying on, making waves with the spine, I found that making the wave leading up to my head could reach further and further upward. It felt very healing to open up this part and this top part I have come to consider key but the lower parts are needed as the foundation I believe. opening up the top part... Imagine your neck was a curled fern bud - each wave feels like its prying the curled up part at the top slowly more and more open.

There came or point (or comes a point) where the muscles and coordination become known and you can keep tension on this top part of the neck that feels like it is tension prying the fern bud open - but without moving. This will also be supported by the spine below so you will end up lying on your right side, lying perfectly stiff and straight.

The other muscles are also involved holding this stiff posture. I remember at some point I was convulsing my arms, legs, ankles etc flexing them to their extremes. I don't know what the mechanism behind this was but it felt like it was to flush out the lymph and also activate the muscles so they could help in maintaining a stiff posture.

So... doing all this you come to a point where you are on your side, all the body is activated and working towards lengthening the spine. Blood will be pumping everywhere properly and you should be able to focus and think clearly.

This takes energy and also makes you thirsty so prepare a drink before hand. I also have felt compelled to have a squeezed lemon with the drink. (I just drink sparkling water or filtered rain water)

Part of you will want to relax but this will lesson the antenna so to speak so I end up making small pulses/waves in the spine as I am lying there. You may well have had slight visual experiences like having a microdose. Consider you are on the right path.

This phase is almost like a rest compared to the larger waves and movements which you can go back to if you feel you should.

Again always staying aware and wakeful.

In my memory there is a usually point where I lose focus and perhaps fall asleep, or something happens but I will suddenly be awake and I can feel it coming... I remember one time I heard something like a warning alarm and saw a red triangle, as if the mind was saying, "Get ready!!!"

The lightbulb in the head comes on, and the rest... well, if you know you know. Off to the ineffable.


I really hope this helps out and if you have any questions please ask away. I could talk for ages about the things I have learn't or just the mad and cool things I have experienced but I am not sure this would help others much so I will try and stick to the path of how to get there and experience this wonder for yourself.
 
Tripping after eating "a couple of hemp buds" doesn't really count as "not taking anything" though, does it? :LOL:
Oral cannabis can be very psychedelic, and it's possible that boiling water may have been sufficient to decarboxylate at least some of the THCa. Eating a couple of fully decarboxylated buds may well have floored you for several days…

That said, cannabis plus yoga can be a great combo since the right dose will allow you to really get into your body. Your regimen there sounds like a great health boost - just beware of cannabis-induced credulity ;)

When it comes to endogenous DMT, there has been talk, from time to time over the years, of supplementing with methionine and tryptophan as the precursors to DMT biosynthesis. I've never seen a convincing report of success with that method - maybe someone else has? However, it doesn't particularly count as "substance free", at least in the strictest sense.

Mantak Chia did write about some Taoist exercises including prolonged periods of darkness - essentially sensory deprivation - but I've not personally tried them. Perhaps you'd be interested in floatation tanks and the like.

Have you ever tried harmala alkaloids, such as are found in caapi or Syrian rue?
 
Why does an automatic "trip", that is alterations of consciousness, without having taken anything, always get attributed to endogenous DMT? We don't seem to produce that much, and there's a biosynthesis process that takes place. Its not floating around in the amounts of other neurotransmitters.
Perhaps we just have an innate ability to alter our own consciousness.

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Why does an automatic "trip", that is alterations of consciousness, without having taken anything, always get attributed to endogenous DMT? We don't seem to produce that much, and there's a biosynthesis process that takes place. Its not floating around in the amounts of other neurotransmitters.
Perhaps we just have an innate ability to alter our own consciousness.

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Indeed. There's also a whole set of downstream processes/biochemical changes involving glutamate, acetylcholine and what-have-you that could in principle be tapped into through any number of techniques and/or substances. I don't doubt that it's possible to tap into activation of such pathways through adept use of certain methods in order to achieve DMT-like effects without the involvement of either endogenous or exogenous DMT.

This does perhaps beg the question of just how much experience with DMT the OP has actually had. I should check your other posts, @danabanana2.
 
Why does an automatic "trip", that is alterations of consciousness, without having taken anything, always get attributed to endogenous DMT?
Indeed. There's also a whole set of downstream processes/biochemical changes involving glutamate, acetylcholine and what-have-you that could in principle be tapped into through any number of techniques and/or substances.

That's a fair point. It could be another mechanism but I can say with confidence that the experience was very similar to the many DMT trips I have had. I haven't read much about other peoples experience about endogenous DMT so I'm not sure about that if they were claiming the same thing as me. I would be interested to read such a report if they have.

Tripping after eating "a couple of hemp buds" doesn't really count as "not taking anything" though, does it? :LOL:
Oral cannabis can be very psychedelic, and it's possible that boiling water may have been sufficient to decarboxylate at least some of the THCa. Eating a couple of fully decarboxylated buds may well have floored you for several days…

That said, cannabis plus yoga can be a great combo since the right dose will allow you to really get into your body. Your regimen there sounds like a great health boost - just beware of cannabis-induced credulity
To give some numbers - I have had about 4-6 proper trips with the bud tea, and one time was like a micro dose (as I was tired). I have also had 2 full on trips without any bud tea (completely sober), and several low - micro dose like experiences. I have also had it start on several occasions (when sober) but I have refused to continue with it as I was in bed with someone else, and one time I refused to go in as it was a week night and I had work the next day. (I was dissapointed in myself for that decision)


When it comes to endogenous DMT, there has been talk, from time to time over the years, of supplementing with methionine and tryptophan as the precursors to DMT biosynthesis.
Never considered supplements or diet but why wouldn't it effect the body's DMT production. I have heard of the pineal gland being blocked, and I stay away from fluoride for that reason but I don't know how related that is.

For me it feels like the general exploration of the mind is more important - i.e. these experiences have often come out of meditative days/weeks - but of course what and how you eat is related to the practice of the good path so I don't mean to disregard that.


Also generally thanks for the replies. I want someone else to have this experience... I want everyone to have it!!!
 
Someone wrote a book about this. First, some facts, for the record: Current state of knowledge about endogenous DMT



Humans have extraordinary abilities that range from the physical to the mental and spiritual. The pineal gland within the human brain is responsible for producing and releasing a natural powerful psychedelic molecule known as DMT, dimethyltrptamine. DMT has been linked to birth, death, and reincarnation, as well as a multitude of other fascinating experiences. This guide shows how to activate the pineal gland and control the release of this molecule into the human body for use on command. Dreams, visions, fractals, and many odd phenomenon can be traced to the pineal gland, but there are also benefits in learning this meditation technique. From increased energy to happiness and treating depression to heightened mental control, DMT has the ability to expand human consciousness. Part of its function within the body is the healing factor know to self heal mentally and physically. This guide will also focus on body awareness, sensing and utilizing internal energy, and opening up people's minds to a powerful and eye opening experience that is not found in modern academia and colleges. A meditation practice long forgotten and buried in secrecy is at your fingertips, but ready for only those who have the courage to make the mental journey.

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Seems outdated. There's little evidence that pineal produces DMT. It's more likely biosynthesized in the gut.

It's only been shown to be produced in large quantities in rats during heart attacks specifically.

No evidence it produces dreams.

You can't ethically test for it at birth.

Pineal produces melatonin.

That said, these aren't "facts."

So, yeah...

Just cuz it sounds astute doesn't mean it is. Much of this is based on Straussman's admitted conjectures and hypotheses.

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As an amino acid-derived alkaloid, the DMT biosynthetic pathway is part of the L-tryptophan biochemical cascade and can be divided into the decarboxylation by an aromatic L-amino acid decarboxylase (AADC) for tryptamine formation and the subsequent double-methylation by the indolethylamine-N-methyltransferase (INMT) through the cofactor S-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAM), a methyl donor. Unlike the decarboxylation mechanism of L-tryptophan, the molecular details of the double methylation of tryptamine have not been elucidated.

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Someone wrote a book about this
Thank you Bk, I have ordered it and am interested to see what it has to say.

No evidence it produces dreams.
I have had DMT dreams in the past also (just while sleeping, not from residual DMT)- very different to normal dreams and few and far between.

Regarding that article..
The single most important question for the field to answer is whether or not endogenous DMT is produced in sufficient quantities to have meaningful biological effects
It either is (given from my experience) or there is another mechanism that leads to similar profound states of mind, in which case does it even matter - what is the goal of this conversation? I thought it was to lead everyone to the divine wisdom and enlightenment that somewhat comes somehow from what we call DMT. One factor that I have come to believe inhibits us getting to those states is poor posture and poor muscle/spine activation.

Has anyone tried some what I have mentioned in the OP?
 
I have had DMT dreams in the past also (just while sleeping, not from residual DMT)- very different to normal dreams and few and far between.
I have a friend I talk to about this pretty regularly. He has some wild dreams. He's even smoalked DMT in his dreams. This can likely be connected more to the eidetic than anything biochemical.

I thought it was to lead everyone to the divine wisdom and enlightenment that somewhat comes somehow from what we call DMT.
Kind of hard to lead people down to something that there isn't much consensus on outside using the words. What is divine to one may not be divine to another.

I have not tried your method. Somewhat out of busyness, but also, if you say how much changa I have...

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there is another mechanism that leads to similar profound states of mind
Referring back to the aforementioned downstream neurochemical cascade of effects leading to the subjective DMT experience, I'd reassert the argument that the presence of DMT-like effects in the absence of exogenous DMT should not presuppose the presence of elevated central levels of endogenous DMT.

It would be great if meditation, bodywork, and breathing exercises could reliably give rise to an endogenous DMT experience, but this hypothesis remains to be tested scientifically, as far as I'm aware.

Equally fascinating is the notion that these states can be accessed using different keys, as well as that these neurochemical correlates will not necessarily comprise the entire picture.

And I'd still love to know where you stand with harmala alkaloids (there are also endogenous betacarbolines which see very little discussion, and barely any more in the way of research).
 
Has anyone tried some what I have mentioned in the OP?
Yes, for instance, I have naturally found my posture opening up into a very proud, flexible, and powerful lotus posture, where otherwise I was hunched in sitting. I have also felt ecstatic energy coursing through my spine, making me sway a bit while sitting in lotus. I have not experienced myself some of the other motions you mention. Usually if I feel the NEED to stretch or move in some way, it's' because I am addressing some sort of physical discomfort on the come-up.

as for the topic of the original post, you might find it interesting to know that, being calm, actually down regulates the metabolism of your serotonin and oxyotocin/vasopressin, and increases the metabolism of adrenaline, glutamate, cortisol, and dopamine. The inverse is also true. Living a sober life and cultivating deep gentleness/calmness in way of life and in meditation enables our mind-body system to shift into an ever deeper and deeper energetic balance involving serotonin, love, perception, etc, and it takes us out of the adrenaline, cortisol, dopamine, glutamate HPA-axis.
 
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It would be great if meditation, bodywork, and breathing exercises could reliably give rise to an endogenous DMT experience, but this hypothesis remains to be tested scientifically, as far as I'm aware.
I did it again last night and it worked. It has been very reliable with bud tea and somewhat reliable without it. Interestingly I asked on this trip why I didn't break through on my sober attempt last week and it said I was trying too hard to think my way there. I think these profound states need some silence and understanding that these things can't be accessed through constant analysis and reason. It was also done with a lot less movement - after only a few minutes of moving I was in a relaxed state, lying on my side, where I would feel part of my spine and extend it in different ways, but with only tiny micro movements but very breath still felt like at least a small length of the spine was becoming straighter, if only by half a percent.

Equally fascinating is the notion that these states can be accessed using different keys
I'd reassert the argument that the presence of DMT-like effects in the absence of exogenous DMT should not presuppose the presence of elevated central levels of endogenous DMT.
Yes, that is what I am finding fascinating. It might well be the case that I am not experiencing exogenous DMT. In which case, perhaps we are looking at this incorrectly. Perhaps DMT is more like a chemical that leads the body and mind to being a perfect antenna where the mind can now tune into these higher states. We can reach these states by physical and mental adjustment, so DMT or no DMT the mind can find its way.

And I'd still love to know where you stand with harmala alkaloids
I have yet to try this out but will look out for it I guess. Seems like it might help. Have you tried it out?

Yes, for instance, I have naturally found my posture opening up into a very proud, flexible, and powerful lotus posture, where otherwise I was hunched in sitting
Was this during a trip or a meditation? I would guess for both. I really think these things are hand in hand. I bet the Buddha never hunched after he had become enlightened.

Living a sober life and cultivating deep gentleness/calmness in way of life and in meditation enables our mind-body system to shift into an ever deeper and deeper energetic balance involving serotonin, love, perception, etc,
I haven't heard it put like that before but it rings true to my experience. I can't remember word for word but there was a pretty quote about practitioners seeking out the deeper and more subtle states and experiences in life, rather than the base pleasures and experiences.
 
I have yet to try this out but will look out for it I guess. Seems like it might help. Have you tried it out
From what you're saying, it seems like harmala alkaloids (generally obtained from Syrian rue or caapi vine) would make a great complement to your practice. They can take a bit of getting used to, but there's a real depth to their neuromodulatory properties.

I've used rue (Peganum harmala) seed to good effect, albeit in nowhere near as focussed an approach as yours.
 
Was this during a trip or a meditation? I would guess for both. I really think these things are hand in hand. I bet the Buddha never hunched after he had become enlightened.
This was during tripping. I’d say my posture is pretty good normally, and balanced during tripping (I sit for HOURS in it), but here in this moment I just felt it opening up so strong and proud on its own, with the psychedelic.
The ecstatic spinal sway energy was from Mescaline, but interestingly I saw this woman doing it the exact same way as me on an ayahuasca video online.

I haven't heard it put like that before but it rings true to my experience. I can't remember word for word but there was a pretty quote about practitioners seeking out the deeper and more subtle states and experiences in life, rather than the base pleasures and experiences.
People view psychedelics very acutely. They see DMT, and psychedelic experience, and form a strong preliminary causal association with the two. But like a match and gunpowder, the gunpowder may rest there for a very long time, and the match gets lit and lights it, but that does not mean the match did everything. Psychedelics are like a match in this way, entering into the energetic systems of our bodies. What your (human)body is literally made of, is a very very powerful aspect of the experience.

Yes gentleness allows the body to shift into a deeper serotonin balance. You spend less time living in your fight-flight-move systems which are run by adrenaline, dopamine, cortisol, and some others. When your body is deeply calm it changes the balance of metabolism itself across various neurochemicals, and your body metabolizes adrenalines/cortisol/dopamine/etc and the like faster, while slowing down it’s clearance of serotonin oxytocin and the like.

A gentle lifestyle changes the type of mind you have, and since we are always learning and growing, it only gets more and more detailed as we descend into life. When you are sober, what was the fringe details of experience become the primary substance, and the new fringe that was previously hidden beyond can make its appearance.
 
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