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Using entheogens might open up the possibility to be conscious while asleep, just as any other spiritual/meditative practice might. Sleep paralysis is not fun the first time if you don't know what it is, but if you continue to explore the world of conscious mind and unconscious body, I assure you that you will find a treasure chest. This ability will allow you to have lucid dreams, and even astral projection if you really want to take it that far.
I hope that was of help!
With love,
Evening Glory
I hope that was of help!
With love,
Evening Glory
I used to get sleep paralysis quite regularly, only very rarely now, but spice has had no effect on it whatsoever, so from experience I would say there's nothing to worry about in that respect. I have had interesting spice-related dreams though, and have gone 4-dimensional in them, which was fantastic!
Methtical
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HumbledYouth08
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Yes evening glory sleep paralysis is not fun at all!
I've had some terrifying experiences with those things.
Especially if you have no clue what they are. I thought I
Was being posesed the first couple times.one ofthe Scariest
Things that has happened to me!
I've had some terrifying experiences with those things.
Especially if you have no clue what they are. I thought I
Was being posesed the first couple times.one ofthe Scariest
Things that has happened to me!
HumbledYouth08 said:
Yep I thought I was becoming mentally ill for the first few weeks until by chance I stumbled upon a group on facebook about it and realised it was exactly what I was experiencing, which was one hell of a relief I can tell you. I'd like to think I could control it, the trouble is it tends to sneak up on me, and by the time I realise whats going on, Im pretty much already scared shitless haha.
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not all the things you see are horrible..sleep paralysis is as much a gift as it is a curse..it's how I learned to have OBE's and lucid dreams. Ive had it my whole life, and I actaully lay in bed trying to induce it now. If you canlet go while its happening you can have these amazing journeys..its hard to let go in that state though.
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I experience this regularly, EveningGlory said it best, if you remain calm, you can explore some strange places. I have noticed that I get it more when I trip more often, or when I repeat a mantra to put myself to sleep. I also read that it is more common in those with ADHD/ADD. It would not surprise me if spice had an effect on sleep paralysis.
Thank you all for your knowledge. I do not suffer from sleep paralysis but throughout my life i have had some strange things happen to me.
I ask because a girl i am talking to is interested in trying DMT with me, but she wants to make sure she doesnt freak out. I told her she just has to face it what ever it has to offer.
In my life i have had lucid dreams. I had somehow gained the knowledge "Hey, im dreaming right now." an di took of making my own world after that. Another time i had been asleep, and i thought i was awake ((THIS IS WHY YOU DONT WAKE SLEEP WALKERS)) i was sitting up talking to my good friend DK, we had been just sitting in my room, talking about his son. Then the next thing i know my friend DK comes rushing in the room and says " Who the fuck are you talking to man?" as he walks quickly to the bathroom. My world was turned up side down, if there could be a noise to follow it would be the breaking of a mirror. The dream duane that was talking to me on the couch completely dissapperated, turning into these colorful particles that eventually went back into everything else.
I was very freaked out by it, at first anyway. now that i think of it it was very psychedelic, But at the time it was far to much for my brain to handle. i was caught inbetween two dimensions.
I ask because a girl i am talking to is interested in trying DMT with me, but she wants to make sure she doesnt freak out. I told her she just has to face it what ever it has to offer.
In my life i have had lucid dreams. I had somehow gained the knowledge "Hey, im dreaming right now." an di took of making my own world after that. Another time i had been asleep, and i thought i was awake ((THIS IS WHY YOU DONT WAKE SLEEP WALKERS)) i was sitting up talking to my good friend DK, we had been just sitting in my room, talking about his son. Then the next thing i know my friend DK comes rushing in the room and says " Who the fuck are you talking to man?" as he walks quickly to the bathroom. My world was turned up side down, if there could be a noise to follow it would be the breaking of a mirror. The dream duane that was talking to me on the couch completely dissapperated, turning into these colorful particles that eventually went back into everything else.
I was very freaked out by it, at first anyway. now that i think of it it was very psychedelic, But at the time it was far to much for my brain to handle. i was caught inbetween two dimensions.
Your brain is awake and aware but your body is asleep. Before I even started smoking DMT I regularly tried to have lucid dreams, meditate, and try astral projection. At times awakening from REM sleep I have had sleep paralysis a few times where I could not move for less than a minute. I have a feeling DMT will enhance my dreams and lucidity.
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If you can induce sleep paralysis..I would recommend everyone to try working with lucid dreaming techniques..like WILD..seriousily this is the real deal. I have been lucid dreaming naturally for my entire life, especially wake induced lucid dreams..I have had one very very special very spiritual experience durring a lucid dream that felt more like some sort of astral projection where I came into this state of devine realization. That experience will never leave me, and I wish that every single one of you can get to a similar place. Dreaming to me is just as useful a tool as my work with entheogens.
Agree. Sleep paralysis can happen to anyone and it can be a wonderful thing. Look it up on Wikipedia...part of the article is about it happening to people with various kinds of mental disorders. In those cases it can be perceived as a scary thing, usually about an alien presence attacking you in some way. Of course, until we all grow up, maybe we're all mentally diseased, no? The first time it happened to me it was indeed scary, but obviously it was my psyche communicating with me and the experiences over the 25 yr period when it happened to me got more and more fascinating. Some pretty wierd stuff, too. My most amusing one was when I was sucked up out of bed up to the ceiling and there was this huge roaring sound....then I remembered, "Oh, I'm just having this dream paralysis", and then it stopped and I went back down to the bed and I thought, OK, its over, but then I went back up to the ceiling again, and I said, "Oh, so I really didn't wake up after all, but this time I KNOW it's sleep paralysis", and the sound stopped again and I went back down to the bed thinking ok, THIS time I'm really awake...but no, this happened like 5 times ...kept waking up into what I thought was normal "waking reality" but it wasn't. It was like peeling off all these layers, or removing shell after shell, really strange... Finally I guess I "really" did wake up when my wife woke up and honestly for a minute I didn't know if it was really her. I was kind of laughing at this the rest of the day.
Did you ever read Hesse's Siddharta? I think at the end of the story he woke up and the whole thing had been a dream. So, I guess the message is to lay back and enjoy the show, for all we know it's just a movie that can end at any time. And what's the message in THAT? Maybe think about it next time those cacti/spice/shroom/etc things have you in a good space.
Did you ever read Hesse's Siddharta? I think at the end of the story he woke up and the whole thing had been a dream. So, I guess the message is to lay back and enjoy the show, for all we know it's just a movie that can end at any time. And what's the message in THAT? Maybe think about it next time those cacti/spice/shroom/etc things have you in a good space.
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Pau, what you say reminds me of the movie, "waking life". It has to do with lucid dreaming. very interesting 
hey, thanks for the heads up about this film, "Waking Life".
Indie film that received many many accolades around the world. Too bad it had limited distribution in USA...perhaps the Oscar-nominated writer/director's comment, "It's tough, man. Unless it's a tentpole, sequel, remake, or over-the-top comedy, that's all the studios are even doing. They've kind of admitted they're not in the business of doing anything else. The slightest level of irony or intelligence and, boom, you're out of the league, you're done" , tells why most of us did not see or even hear about it. I will try to find on DVD.
Indie film that received many many accolades around the world. Too bad it had limited distribution in USA...perhaps the Oscar-nominated writer/director's comment, "It's tough, man. Unless it's a tentpole, sequel, remake, or over-the-top comedy, that's all the studios are even doing. They've kind of admitted they're not in the business of doing anything else. The slightest level of irony or intelligence and, boom, you're out of the league, you're done" , tells why most of us did not see or even hear about it. I will try to find on DVD.
I had a kind of interesting experience when trying to fall asleep two nights ago. I had woken up very early that day and then taken a nap at 5pm or so. At the end of my nap, I dreamt that out of the whole house, my room was the only one where there was some kind of 'hole in the protection' and spirits could flit in and out. I saw the whole room from above and in a certain space, next to my bed, there was a kind of cloud of black smoke. Anyway, I woke up at like 9pm and felt so scared I didn't even get out of bed. So I just decided to go back to sleep, at about 3am. I knew it was going to be lucid, and I really try to avoid sleep paralysis. I was in the foetus position, and I was dreaming that I was falling through black space, mentally screaming. "AAAAAAAAAAA" And I mentally screamed so loud that that's what woke me up in the end. Scary 
And last night, as soon as it was getting dark, I keep thinking back about that space with the black smoke, it's behind me as I'm sitting on my desk, and I feel a presence of it when it's dark outside. Is there a way I can ask it to leave?
And last night, as soon as it was getting dark, I keep thinking back about that space with the black smoke, it's behind me as I'm sitting on my desk, and I feel a presence of it when it's dark outside. Is there a way I can ask it to leave?Luciapath, what seems to be common here, as well as in the writeup of "sleep paralysis" on Wikipedia, is that people always wake-up from lucid-dreaming/sleep-paralysis, and the "presences" are gone. After all, this is not one of Dr Strange's "Strange Tales" * .... IMO the presences are just you, they are not independent third parties that can do anything to you, even though they're the more real than the tigers chasing you in a "normal" dream.
So you've already gotten to the next step of realizing it's sleep paralysis. Sooner or later you will be able to combine these two things - your knowledge that it is sleep paralysis, and that the presences will be gone when you get back to earth - and during the dream itself you will be able to recognize them for what they are ... you might even at that point feel like dropping the label "sleep paralysis" and replacing it with "lucid dreaming".
Then, you'll be unafraid of them. Perhaps that corresponds to some kind of subconsious integration of them into your psyche, you'll have outgrown their scariness and they might appear as something else, no longer scary.
Don't forget the eastern religion "gods and goddesses" appear in art as both compassionate and scary forms. The scary ones are there to remind us of the stuff we need to work on - hatred, greed, lust, avaraice, etc etc - until our understanding of ourselves and the universe opens up.
*"Dr. Strange's adventures take place in bizarre worlds and twisting dimensions that resembled Salvador Dali paintings. ... Inspired by the pulp-fiction magicians of Stan Lee's childhood as well as by contemporary Beat culture, Dr. Strange remarkably predicted the youth counterculture's fascination with Eastern mysticism and psychedelia. Never among Marvel's more popular or accessible characters, Dr. Strange still found a niche among an audience seeking a challenging alternative to more conventional superhero fare."
So you've already gotten to the next step of realizing it's sleep paralysis. Sooner or later you will be able to combine these two things - your knowledge that it is sleep paralysis, and that the presences will be gone when you get back to earth - and during the dream itself you will be able to recognize them for what they are ... you might even at that point feel like dropping the label "sleep paralysis" and replacing it with "lucid dreaming".
Then, you'll be unafraid of them. Perhaps that corresponds to some kind of subconsious integration of them into your psyche, you'll have outgrown their scariness and they might appear as something else, no longer scary.
Don't forget the eastern religion "gods and goddesses" appear in art as both compassionate and scary forms. The scary ones are there to remind us of the stuff we need to work on - hatred, greed, lust, avaraice, etc etc - until our understanding of ourselves and the universe opens up.
*"Dr. Strange's adventures take place in bizarre worlds and twisting dimensions that resembled Salvador Dali paintings. ... Inspired by the pulp-fiction magicians of Stan Lee's childhood as well as by contemporary Beat culture, Dr. Strange remarkably predicted the youth counterculture's fascination with Eastern mysticism and psychedelia. Never among Marvel's more popular or accessible characters, Dr. Strange still found a niche among an audience seeking a challenging alternative to more conventional superhero fare."
pau said:
Yes, but what I'm referring to now is that I actually feel this presence in that spot everytime after it gets dark, while I'm awake. It's very persistent, and has been going on for a week. I'm taking adderall to help me study at the moment which may have something to do with it, but it's actually disconcerning because it's reinforcing itself by first being felt, then dreamt about, then when I slept in my bed near that spot I had this lucid dreaming experience... :S And that day when it happened, I had done some spice early in the afternoon, and one of the after effects I was feeling was that I saw the air in that space, which is next to me when i sit on my bed, twirl and blur for like a split second. Please tell me it's nothing to be scared of
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