Resin. The way to go.

[Jorkest]

so Phlux-

i didnt let my first 6 hour cook settle was already pretty evapped...but i did another 6 hour cook and let that sit over night in the fridge and nothing has settled...

im going to evap it and see what i get...its an orangy yellow color

 

['Coatl]

on leaving the skin on - tried it once - had a horrible waxy oily muck stuff on the top - it left like hard thick stains on my pot - il never do that again.

Damn I was worried about this!

Looks like I'll be peeling after all....

 

[Fatcat]

Started making some resin sunday night from about 8" of SS01 X Juuls Giant cactus. It wasn't done reducing by monday night so we (two of us) just took it in a few shots.

Let me say, that has to be one of the best experiences of my life. I have never felt so uninhibited before. We went to an industrial and DnB club for the come up and came home for the peak (we weren't driving). The repetitive drum beats felt very tribal, and i could relate with the natives who use repetitive chants while tripping. When we got home my girlfriend fell asleep right away (she got a much smaller dose than I did) and I stayed up for 3 or 4 hours, just watching the darkness and thinking about my life. It was an extremely beautiful first time with the cactus, and I am defiantly planning on repeating it many many more times.

 

[antichode]

When SWIM gives this tek a go he is going to also try adding HCL to the reduced solution before the final evap...... It makes sense that once its evaped enough one could mix acetone to dissolve everything except the Mesc.

It could be a very effective way to obtain near pure hcl

thats the plan anyway... SWIM will obviously do a batch along side it to get resin and compare the results

 

[soulfood]

If you just used hcl instead of lemon juice, then did an acetone wash wouldn't that in theory be quite cleanable?

 

[antichode]

thats what SWIM was thinking too.... He just wasn't sure how the excess hcl would handle the heat, he has no idea if it would or it wouldn't, so he figured add it after the heating step to be sure. Plus its not nice to have hcl vapor in the kitchen...yuck

 

[soulfood]

good luck all the same... may even give it a spin myself. I've found a more local vendor I need to test and I think this is the tek for it.

 

[antichode]

SWIM set his cacti chunks to heat in a crock pot last night, this morning it seems the water hadnt changed terribly much and the chunks weren't broken down like he expected..... Do you guys bring this to a simmer? or just below? SIWMS crock pot on the low setting doesnt quite hit a simmer. But the high setting is definateely at a vigorous simmer and might be too much

He also left the waxy skin and everything on the chunks, thats what you were all doing yeah? Just to be sure he strained the chunks out and cut em up a bit more as he was worried the green flesh was too well protected by the wax and white flesh, SWIM will leave it for another 10 hours and see what its like this evening.

He used about a foot and a half, and will need to do two lots because it doesnt all fit in the crock pot. His cactus is thick!

This particular plant yields %3 with the limo teks.... and its profile seems to be roughly 60/40 mesc/other alks (really need a name for those others, similar to 'jungle')

 

[Phlux-]

on the cactus tea or resin(if it goes that way) what solvent should be used for extraction ?
choices are xylene or dlimonene.
dont want acetate - hcl is desired
salting dlimo pulls with water acidified with hcl sounded nicest.

 

['Coatl]

I bet it'd work much better if just the green part was used, this may yield some sort of super resin.

 

[antichode]

on leaving the skin on - tried it once - had a horrible waxy oily muck stuff on the top - it left like hard thick stains on my pot - il never do that again.

SWIM didnt see this before he posted.... hopefully this shouldnt be a problem since SWIM hasnt blended his mixture, hopefully it doesnt get in the way of retrieving alks, house and jorkeest said they just used the whole plant minus the core... so all should be fine

 

[antichode]

on the cactus tea or resin(if it goes that way) what solvent should be used for extraction ?
choices are xylene or dlimonene.
dont want acetate - hcl is desired
salting dlimo pulls with water acidified with hcl sounded nicest.

SWIM uses limo and hcl.... It seems to work fine except for precipitates that form when hcl is added (also happens with vinegar). This is probably down to his limonene being different somehow tho, becuase other members dont have this issue. If it does happen to SWIY then it can take hours (swim leave shis over night) to seperate

 

[Phlux-]

antichode - i dont think it will be a problem - also be sure to press as much liquid out of your cactus between soaking/heatings.
its not the first time dlimo is being used by this imaginary capibara - no precip was noticed last time.

 

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[quote='Coatl]

on leaving the skin on - tried it once - had a horrible waxy oily muck stuff on the top - it left like hard thick stains on my pot - il never do that again.

Damn I was worried about this!

Looks like I'll be peeling after all....
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this only happens when you blend.
when you simmer chunks, the skin just comes off and floats.
no need to de-skin.

 

['Coatl]

Are you sure? I'm gonna be disappointed if your wrong.

 

[antichode]

you simmer chunks

just to clarify house, when you say simmer do you mean nice and hot with no bubbles? or small bubbles i.e. a low boil (simmer)

 

[69ron]

on the cactus tea or resin(if it goes that way) what solvent should be used for extraction ?
choices are xylene or dlimonene.
dont want acetate - hcl is desired
salting dlimo pulls with water acidified with hcl sounded nicest.

I think d-limonene is much better.

Why is the HCl prefered? You can purify the sticky amber mescaline acetate to near 99% by washing with cold MEK so I don't see any advantage to using HCl unless you can’t obtain MEK.

Once mescaline acetate is washed free of the sticky impurities its a free flowing off white powder, very similar to the HCl but a little stronger and not as bad tasting.

 

[۩]

I am sure, and yes, a hot simmer before the bubbles arise. Listen to the brew...

 

[amor_fati]

Why is the HCl prefered? You can purify the sticky amber mescaline acetate to near 99% by washing with cold MEK so I don't see any advantage to using HCl unless you can’t obtain MEK.

Well in SWIM's case, he tends to always have IPA and acetone on hand, and he's yet to experiment with MEK for any purpose. Plus the HCl seems to be much more stable. SWIM does prefer nontoxic methods on a certain level, though.


The limonene is great for dried cactus, but this method would be much more expedient and cost effective for homegrown cactus (unless SWIY already has a decent still set up), especially if some decent methods of purification are developed for it. Plus it's always good to know that a decent experience can always be obtained from botanicals by a little know-how and some water, as in with the cold watter methods of preparing huasca.

 

[Phlux-]

Ron - on why i dont use vinegar :

1 : vinegar really really stinks

I noticed, i cant really smell bases all that well (like when mixing sodium hydroxide in water - i dont smell a thing but iv had guests complain about it ???) but acids make me instantly recoil - i hate salt and vinegar chips, they smell poisonous to me.
my housemate (who likes salt and vinegar chips)freaks out at the smell of bases and cant really smell acids (can hardly smell hcl at a dilution of 25% - also i can get lye all over my hands and after 5 minutes they just get itchy, but lye burned my friend - acids on my skin hurt instantly. i noticed this and thought it was interesting enough to include in this post - the indicator is salt and vinegar chips (if u dig em u may be acidic)

2:I always get a goo using vinegar - iv washed it with mek(had a big bottle around for re-xing mesc hcl) but the final product is not one i want - im not happy with a waxy final product - just a personal choice i guess.

3:I dont think acetates should be consumed by humans - im sure i remember reading a member here posting something about acetates and how it bothers the liver(i like to eat mescaline often and dont want to worry about my liver being damaged) - hcl is the acid in our tummies - why not use that ?

4:Im doing it the way iv always done it - yeilds are always high and the end product is usually almost pure white and dry and xtalline without washing(this is when using xylene tho - cant wait to see how it comes out this time)

If what im doing works perfectly and my yeilds are high i see no reason to change tek.