Yes, and that is clearly Russian Olive that you depict.jmaxton said:
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russian olive status ?
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agreedAlbertKLloyd said:
The scientific literature and my own experience contradict this...not saying it can't be, but I don't think this is the case.Dreammethodtool said:
this is so interesting. I live in Eastern Wa and there is russion olive literally everywhere so today im gonna go harvest some leaves and bark. Does anyone know how good of an MAOI is it? I ask because i've been using Cappi as an antidepressant so if R.O. is it could really help money wise and i love the idea of being able to harvest my own medicne. Thanks
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Update:
The afore depicted HCL acidified solution was filtered.
Inspired by this technique, equal amounts of acetone was added to about 250ml of the solution. (The remainder of the solution was previously basified to see if anything would precipitate, but was unsuccessful. It will be re-acidified.)
Nothing occurred, but did not try refrigerating. (Will try next round)
Added salt until no more would dissolve. A mild fizzing reaction began to occur, and once this stopped the solution was placed in the fridge.
*15 mins later, there is a layer of fluffy tan/whitish precipitate gathering on the bottom*
Whether or not a difference was made with the addition of acetone is not known. Side by side tests will need to be done to see.
Also, I do not know if the A/B/A step (which resulted in massive dark precipitation, assumed to be impurities) assisted in allowing more to precipitate.
A new brew is boiling down to continue experiments.
All the above is in assumption that the precipitate is indeed harmalas, though it looks positive!
The afore depicted HCL acidified solution was filtered.
Inspired by this technique, equal amounts of acetone was added to about 250ml of the solution. (The remainder of the solution was previously basified to see if anything would precipitate, but was unsuccessful. It will be re-acidified.)
Nothing occurred, but did not try refrigerating. (Will try next round)
Added salt until no more would dissolve. A mild fizzing reaction began to occur, and once this stopped the solution was placed in the fridge.
*15 mins later, there is a layer of fluffy tan/whitish precipitate gathering on the bottom*
Whether or not a difference was made with the addition of acetone is not known. Side by side tests will need to be done to see.
Also, I do not know if the A/B/A step (which resulted in massive dark precipitation, assumed to be impurities) assisted in allowing more to precipitate.
A new brew is boiling down to continue experiments.
All the above is in assumption that the precipitate is indeed harmalas, though it looks positive!
Attachments
Here are what I found to be the most relevant papers on E. angustifolia (the last attachment deals with the Eleagnacea family as a whole and from what it indicates, I will be doing an extraction on the bark of E. umbellata soon). The Conclusion reads:
I have several papers I have not posted dealing with effects of the fruits and "fruit seeds" (by which I believe they mean seeds) as well as lipid compositions of the bark/leaves of E. angustifolia. If anyone wants these papers, just post as much in a reply and I will post them as well...they just seemed somewhat less interesting/relevant and I didn't want to clutter this post with a ton of PDFs.
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I have several papers I have not posted dealing with effects of the fruits and "fruit seeds" (by which I believe they mean seeds) as well as lipid compositions of the bark/leaves of E. angustifolia. If anyone wants these papers, just post as much in a reply and I will post them as well...they just seemed somewhat less interesting/relevant and I didn't want to clutter this post with a ton of PDFs.
Happy Reading
The last pdf file you linked shows that the amount of harmalas in russian olive bark is around 0.3%. It is not that much lower than for caapi, and the harmalas it contains may be stronger.
I'm glad to see i'm not crazy
this PDF : PHYTOCHEMICAL STUDY OF THE BARK OF SOME PLANTS OF THE ELAEAGNACEAE FAMILY AS A NATURAL SOURCE OF b-CARBOLINE INDOLE ALKALOIDS
confirms my own work with Elaeagnus umbellata ( Autumn olive ) showing active alkaloids.
its in the bark and the leaves, it works . I'm waiting for one of you to check it out .
my crude salt extraction of bark material shows significant activity .
recently a standard A/B on leaf material with naptha yeilded a beautiful red paste that is also active.
same extraction with xylene also yielded a redish paste that had significant activity as well.
there is something very different and clear about the effects. its synergy with spice is very strong.
for me its a totally new way to experience dmt .
Its a strange fresh clear direct experience, no fear or nausea whatsoever.
I don't yet understand the effects. I'm still trying to get a handle on whats happening.
At this point its still hard to believe but its effects are clearly felt.
this PDF : PHYTOCHEMICAL STUDY OF THE BARK OF SOME PLANTS OF THE ELAEAGNACEAE FAMILY AS A NATURAL SOURCE OF b-CARBOLINE INDOLE ALKALOIDS
confirms my own work with Elaeagnus umbellata ( Autumn olive ) showing active alkaloids.
its in the bark and the leaves, it works . I'm waiting for one of you to check it out .
my crude salt extraction of bark material shows significant activity .
recently a standard A/B on leaf material with naptha yeilded a beautiful red paste that is also active.
same extraction with xylene also yielded a redish paste that had significant activity as well.
there is something very different and clear about the effects. its synergy with spice is very strong.
for me its a totally new way to experience dmt .
Its a strange fresh clear direct experience, no fear or nausea whatsoever.
I don't yet understand the effects. I'm still trying to get a handle on whats happening.
At this point its still hard to believe but its effects are clearly felt.
Thank you for all of the work you guys have been doing with this plant. I'm really looking forward to trying some out for myself.
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gazal
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TABLE 1.
Average Content of -Carboline Alkaloids in Bark of Plants from the Family Elaeagnaceae L. Growing in Russia (%), n = 5
B-Carboline_____________________________________Species_______________________________
______________________ H. rhamnoides E. angustifolia E. orientalis E. umbellata E. multiflora E. argentea
Harmane ___________________0.186______ 0.125 ______0.134 ____0.142 ____0.065 _____0.054
Dihydroharmane _______________0.122 _____0.109 ______0.097_____0.079 ___0.049 ______0.045
Tetrahydroharmane____________ 0.104______0.052 ______0.075 ____0.085____ 0.072 ______0.065
N-Methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-b-car. 0.007 ______0.021 ______0.026 ______–______ trace________ –
Tetrahydroharmol______________ 0.017 _____0.008 ______0.010 ____0, 005_____ trace_______ –
N-Methyltetrahydroharmol_________ – _______0.005______ 0.003______ trace_____ – _________ –
H. rhamnoides, well known for the adaptogen properties of its fruits is also the best source of magik alks !
Average Content of -Carboline Alkaloids in Bark of Plants from the Family Elaeagnaceae L. Growing in Russia (%), n = 5
B-Carboline_____________________________________Species_______________________________
______________________ H. rhamnoides E. angustifolia E. orientalis E. umbellata E. multiflora E. argentea
Harmane ___________________0.186______ 0.125 ______0.134 ____0.142 ____0.065 _____0.054
Dihydroharmane _______________0.122 _____0.109 ______0.097_____0.079 ___0.049 ______0.045
Tetrahydroharmane____________ 0.104______0.052 ______0.075 ____0.085____ 0.072 ______0.065
N-Methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-b-car. 0.007 ______0.021 ______0.026 ______–______ trace________ –
Tetrahydroharmol______________ 0.017 _____0.008 ______0.010 ____0, 005_____ trace_______ –
N-Methyltetrahydroharmol_________ – _______0.005______ 0.003______ trace_____ – _________ –
H. rhamnoides, well known for the adaptogen properties of its fruits is also the best source of magik alks !
Felnik, can you link me to the post for your leaf extraction? My leaf extractions from E. umbellata using IPA and acidified water failed to fluoresce under blacklight, indicating a lack of harmalas, as far as I could tell. I collected a bunch of new/old growth E. umbellata on my nature walk today and will be testing the bark and leaves within the next week or two. What extraction method did you use for the leaves? I was planning on doing a caapi-style extraction on the bark, but wanted to try to mimic your extraction on the leaves to see what I can yield.
As a side note...papers comment only on bark content, not on leaves...I didn't see any papers on leaves, but I can look again and see if anything turns up.
As a side note...papers comment only on bark content, not on leaves...I didn't see any papers on leaves, but I can look again and see if anything turns up.
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E. angustifolia and E. orientalis are considered often the same thing. Their alks profile is the same, with a range of ±10% which I guess is a tolerance admissible among different individuals inside the same variety.
So E. Angustifolia\Orientalis has the best equipped alks profile.
So E. Angustifolia\Orientalis has the best equipped alks profile.