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Salvia divinorum vs Dimethyltryptamine.

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molcadot

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I'm sure this has been discussed countless times before but as a new member I'd love to hear peoples opinions on the differences and similarities of these endlessly fascinating substances.
 
well,

i found the experiences similar but very different.

IMO they have the same amount of intensity; but that is about all they have in common.

when i smoke salvia (60X) it takes me to a place and im stuck there. my body feels wierd and i cant figure out reality from the hallucinations. i feel trapped and anxious and my body feels like crap.

when i smoke spice, its the opposite. (unless i smoke an ungodly amount. then its like salvia)
with spice i go to a place of wonder, a place of color and beauty. it completely mystifies me. im greeted by ominous beings or "elves" as people call them, and feel welcome and comfortable.

on that note, my trips on DMT do vary. it really depends if im listening to music or not. to me, music completely makes the trip.
 
I know exactly what you mean. I spent quite a bit of time with the 60X and the 'stuck' thing is weird. Salvia trips seem to feature circles, spirals, wheels, rotating elements. Perhaps this is linked to the 'stuck' feeling. Like being stuck in a loop. Like being stuck in a loop. Like being stuck in a loop. Like being stuck in a loop. A circle is a closed shape. Possibly this is even connected to the way salvinorins work, by entering a closed cell and effecting it from the inside. Alkaloids work by affecting cells from the outside. Or... Perhaps I'm just talking b****cks.
 
ive done salvia numerous times. the first two times were so crazy and fun i couldnt stop laughing and enjoying myself.

but the unfortunate thing about salvia is that you have a reverse tolerance. meaning the more you smoke it, the less it takes to mess you up.


basically after my first couple of trips, salvia started rubbing me the wrong way. id smoke it then start tripping balls but not even know it, then i'd come back to consciousness on the floor rolling around drooling on myself, or dancing this wierd dance where i would bend my legs repeatedly, in a sort of squat and stand motion.

to be fair, i gave salvia more then enough chances to teach me something or at least be pleasurable again. but it just keeps telling me to do something else if im looking for answers.

perhaps the next time i will do it with some sort of shaman to advise me and guide me through the journey so i can actually gain something from it.


but i do need to say this, salvia is NOTHING like dmt in the long run. the places i went on an overdose of dmt were mystifying and frightening. dmt whooped my curious psychonaut ass. it made me formless. i had no ego. i was nothing.

lets see salvia do that!!
 
DMT = Knocking on a door to have a friendly but over excited being pull you through.

Salvia = Knocking on a door and then his jester of a brother pushes you in the back.

With DMT you can see the world come apart. With salvia, you just morph into what is left after that happens.
 
My experiences with salvia have only been with doses of 20-30x and it was only a few times.

I watched my showerhead sing to me, and that seemed completely normal and regular at the time.

Another time, I hit it and completely forgot what I was doing. I was confused as to why everyone was watching me and laughing. Then I saw the bubbler and remembered "Oh yeah, I smoked salvia!"

Needless to say, not my trip of choice =)
 
Salvia has an element of fear that I do not associate with DMT, besides countless other differences, this is the most prominent one in my mind. When I was first introduced to DMT i was given this comparison to which I still believe is great: Salvia is the drunken second cousin of DMT.
 
For me, salvia seems to have a tipping point. Even smoking the straight leaves I get the compelling urge to smoke more MORE MORE, until, after feeling strange and high, one last little toke and BANG! I am an eternal object in another timeless universe. Strangest stuff out there - so far it beats DMT on the weird scale for me. I haven't smoked it in over a year, despite having 5 thriving plants, cause the fear and the wierdness were just too much. I shall surely return at some point. I am hoping DMT may make me more receptive to Sally, to whom I currently owe some of the most frightening, eye-opening and profound experiences of my life.

salvia, and now DMT, have challenged my most deeply felt and intuited beliefs. I now discount nothing (but remain a skeptic8) nevertheless). I certainly have more questions. And questions are good as long as you realize that it is the act of asking that is the ultimate answer:)

JBArk
 
Maybe the differences are indeed linked to the physiological mode of action of Salvinorin A, which first enters cells before exhibiting action? DMT acts from the outside of cells (as other alkaloids do) and is endogenous, therefore somehow familiar. Salvia is fairly unique in its action. I have little understanding of the science behind this but maybe there is a correlation between physiological modes of action and psychological effects of substances. The 'trapped', 'stuck in a loop' thing could be how the Salvinorin molecules 'feel' when inside the cell, or how ones awareness of this process manifests itself upon the conscious mind.
 
I've used both hundreds of times each. Here’s what I posted a while back in another forum where this same question was brought up. It's interesting to see how we each experience these different substances in such different ways.

Salvia’s initial effects are very “spatial”. One can feel space itself deforming, folding, twisting, etc. Often one can also feel one’s body deforming, folding, etc. DMT’s initial effects are harder to describe. There is a very strong “rush” which is sometimes euphoric, sometimes not. This is accompanied by very vivid, detailed, and colorful visions. A “ceiling” of colorful fluidly moving forms descends and “makes a connection”. There appears to be an intelligence present in the forms.

Salvia experiences tend to be very “human” and earth-based. Strange but recognizable. Entities almost always take on human form and appear in recognizable settings: groups of people in a courtyard, people at a circus/carnival, etc. Often the setting seems to be very similar to consensus reality, yet slightly different – the sense of “parallel worlds” is very strong.

DMT experiences are totally alien. Not alien like outer-space aliens, but alien as in totally unfamiliar and beyond imagination. Entities are too strange to adequately describe: the colorfulness of tropical fish; fern-like forms, geometric solids – spheres, beads, cubes; tentacles; so many strange shapes and colors. It is easy to think of the DMT “hyperspace” (a term I really dislike) as part of an immaterial realm – a “spirit world”.

When salvia entities communicate, it is via ordinary language, yet sometimes spoken in a very sing-song manner. DMT entities seem to communicate telepathically or visually. But the DMT realm is not silent – there is alien music and other sounds too bizarre to describe.

Salvia experiences are often emotionally flat. An especially intense experience may be somewhat frightening, and sometimes there are “playful” feelings. DMT experiences can be very emotionally intense, with the full range of human emotions playing out.

Salvia is more predictable than DMT. A particular measured dose of salvia will almost always result in an experience of a particular level of intensity (although the content of the experience is anyone’s guess). A measured dose of DMT can sometimes produce a very mild experience one day, and an uncomfortably intense experience another.

Salvia experiences, when happening, often seem very real, yet after the experience is over they often don’t seem quite as real. Not unlike a dream. A deep DMT breakthrough experience is undeniably real, both during and after the experience. Salvia has led me to question the nature of existence, but DMT has permanently changed my views regarding an afterlife, our origins, and other deeply spiritual concepts. Salvia seems to teach us something about this world, about this material universe. DMT teaches us something about the timeless immaterial realm that lies beyond.
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gibran2 said:
Salvia experiences are often emotionally flat. An especially intense experience may be somewhat frightening, and sometimes there are “playful” feelings. DMT experiences can be very emotionally intense, with the full range of human emotions playing out.
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Wow, what a good was to put it. I have not only felt flat during a Salvia trip but also feel emotionally flat afterwards. I have never been able to pin a word on the way I felt afterwards before, thank you.

Sally flips a light switch off in my brain as she leads the head of class.
Dimitri entrances me as he (she) dances and whispers in my ear.
 
DMT is more abstract and out of body. Salvia to me takes place in this reality albeit very altered, with images of the past superimposed on the present. The people I'm with smile and know what's going on, they've been in this alternate world this whole time just watching me go through "normal" life with amusement. There's these waves of physical feeling that are very hard to describe, it seems like I'll try to say something and I get the feeling I'm pulled apart from my mouth up and down and my vision gets very obscured before reassembling in front of me. The people I'm with also go through this weird ripping/turning right before I do and they know it's coming and will usually tell me to that effect. "Here it comes," "get ready." It's like we're part of some strange experiential machine and everyone else understands its workings but me, and I just feel hopelessly dragged through it.
 
spiceworm said:
spice dreams make me fly outwards
salvia dreams make me fall inward

-spiceworm
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My last salvia trip let me saw inside mi unconscious mind, and i felt like the wall in my room punched me HARD but i was so small and pathetic that i didn't feel pain, i felt SHAME that extended endlessly in a swirling vortex of reality. That wall i used to punch when i was angry, some time later i fixed it and now i hang all my good pictures and fond memories in case i would like to be stupidly violent towards an object again. I slowly have learned to control my emotions. Thanks Salvia.
 
molcadot said:
I know exactly what you mean. I spent quite a bit of time with the 60X and the 'stuck' thing is weird. Salvia trips seem to feature circles, spirals, wheels, rotating elements. Perhaps this is linked to the 'stuck' feeling. Like being stuck in a loop. Like being stuck in a loop. Like being stuck in a loop. Like being stuck in a loop. A circle is a closed shape. Possibly this is even connected to the way salvinorins work, by entering a closed cell and effecting it from the inside. Alkaloids work by affecting cells from the outside. Or... Perhaps I'm just talking b****cks.
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Wow, that loop simile is brilliant. That's exactly how I feel when I take my large doses of salvia. It's like I'm being taken on a ride over and over again, usually in a circular motion. Sometimes I hear a woman's voice that repeats something over and over again. It's not in a language I can understand, but I get the feeling it's a command. This isn't what she says, but sorta like, "ok, time to do your homework, ok time to do your homework, ok time to do your homework"...now that I think about it, maybe it's a memory of my mother's voice from childhood being looped lol
 
Salvia : Usually I cant wait for it to end because it was so intense.
DMT : Usually I wish it would'nt end so soon...because it was so intense.

In a way they are similar, but they are nothing a like.

I think of both as Sacred , and Only use them in a ceremonial way.
 
What I think might be the case with Salvia and Dimethyltrptamine or any entheongen/psychedelic is that essentially you are taken to the same place. Though each individual plant/chemical takes you to a different area in that same place. To me Salvia takes you to one end of the cosmos and DMT takes you to the other.

Based from my experience Salvia is far less forgiving when you visit without purpose. She will flatten you between the two realms and leave you there until you figure out the purpose of your visit. If you try to resist the pull you can also get stuck between realms, just let it take you no matter how weird and scary it feels. Experience tells me that things will flow better if you ask questions about healing or how to find that which was lost (this could mean anything from lost car keys to lost friends to lost fragments of your soul, seriously). Really any questions you might have should be asked but be very specific and detailed.

DMT on the other hand loves the new comers! To me DMT takes you to the part of the cosmos where the spirits like to hang out and they are glad to see you when you get there.
 
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