"Sass - Organic Ecstacy" is Complete Bullshit

[lysurgeon]

The procedure I used for those experiments I outlined in my first set of posts in the thread On the Trail of Cinnamolaurine. I have experimentally eliminated the use of hydroxides as the base for extracting phenol-bearing alkaloids. Ammonia or sodium bicarbonate are the preferred bases for these compounds.

Recently I tried extracting alkaloids from sassafras root bark I obtained from a health food store. The base was sodium bicarbonate, the solvent was chloroform, the acid used to salt the alkaloids out was HCl, and the water was evaporated without heat, on a plate with a fan.

The yield from this extraction was good (it's not final yet, I have a couple more pulls to do), and the extract was nice and bitter, and absolutely not salty (tasted a <1mg dab). The yields seem already to be higher than with Limonene. I also threw in some toluene after several pulls had reduced the chloroform to a very small amount (it's pretty warm where I'm at). Salting out from toluene is slower but still effective. If I had added more chloroform, I am sure that the extraction would be done already! It's very effective as a solvent.

I will be tasting this extract at 250mg in a few days to see how effective it is. This will also help determine if health food store sassafras that I have available contains active alkaloids, or if they are deteriorated in some way.

 

[Transform]

My only experiences with "sassafras" has been alkaloids extracted from the sassafras root. Some time ago, the chemists doing the MDMA syntheses realized they could do an A/B/NP extraction from the leftover juice in their steam stills to produce an alkaloid extract with similar but much less intense effects as MDMA.

I have written about this material several times and generally been met with disbelief. Everyone thinks that the drug myths they've always believed ever since they were kids is true, and the idea that Sass=MDA is one of them. I have personally extracted and consumed this material, and I have received the identical material from others who have extracted it, and yes they called it Sassafras, because that's the plant it's extracted from.

The chemical proposed to be responsible for the effects of sassafras alkaloid extracts is cinnamolaurine. You can look it up, there's a wealth of info about it, although there is not a wealth on its pharmacology. I performed an experiment where I extracted alkaloids from two different species of cinnamon (which according to much literature, contains cinnamolaurine). The effects of these extracts were very similar to sassafras alkaloids. The differences can be explained by the different alkaloid profiles in each plant.

This is essentially what inspired me to collect the stem and branch bark from a sweet bay tree (Laurus nobilis) when the opportunity arose due to the tree getting pruned. There are some interesting alkaloids in bay bark. I've made a tincture from the bark and it has "a noticeable effect". One day I hope to be able to access sweet bay roots as well.

Please don't wantonly destroy sweet bay trees in the hope of getting high!

 

[Quetzal7]

Interesting, thanks for sharing !

Synchronisticly to the rebirth of this thread :
There's a dude sharing this "sassafras, "100% Natural MDMA-like" tincture ; since last year i was in disbelief.
I finally tried it, around 20 drops, felt quite like MDA actually, very smooth. Kept me awake for 5h, and was very present.

I sent it to the lab. Chromatography says it's MDMA.

Now! I'm nearly sure it is indeed MDMA ; yet :
-can chromatography get confused, let's say if it was other alkaloids/mix
-the tincture had quite a specific flavor (but tasted very bitter in the background), there was some solid/sediments floating around ... that sounds like quite far-stretch cover for just selling mdma...

I don't want to accuse the guy of misinformation without digging the subject a bit deeper
Is there anything NATURAL that would fit in 10-20 drop tincture and have the effect of 50mg mdma?

 

[blig-blug]

-can chromatography get confused, let's say if it was other alkaloids/mix

If it were a mix of substances, chromatography would have found more than a single substance.

If it feels like MDMA, lab says it's MDMA... it's most likely MDMA.

Did they do only chromatography, or also reagent testing? If you have access to it, you could get a test kit and do reagent testing yourself. Although AFAIK (I'm no expert) chromatography should be more reliable.

About the solids floating around, I've personally seen that MDMA (salt) can become waxy in texture by dissolving it in water and evaporating it under hot conditions. That waxy MDMA (which looks very similar to waxy DMT) can take a while to dissolve in water, and if the tincture was very saturated and wasn't properly mixed, it wouldn't surprise me if some waxy MDMA chunks were left undissolved, floating around.

the tincture had quite a specific flavor (but tasted very bitter in the background),

Sounds exactly like the MDMA dissolved in water I had a few days ago

 

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the tincture had quite a specific flavor (but tasted very bitter in the background)

Sounds exactly like the MDMA dissolved in water I had a few days ago

Pure MDMA has quite a specific flavour, one that I'd liken to salt liquorice. Presumably that's with the hydrochloride salt - I can imagine other anions giving rise to different flavour notes. Partly because of my cultural background, MDMA tastes relatively pleasant to me. It's years since I've had any - rue and cactus effectively put paid to that.

Now, more on topic again, somewhere in my sample collection I've a chunk of purported "organic MDMA". It seems highly likely that this is a specimen of sassafras alkaloidal concentrate as mentioned by @lysurgeon a few posts (and rather more years) back. Marquis reagent didn't produce a positive reaction for MDMA.

Noteworthy is that, upon air exposure, the outside of the crystalline chunk turns red-purple at a moderate pace, eventually becoming brown-black. It seems fair to make the tentative suggestion that this might be and indication of the presence of one or more phenolic alkaloids.