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When you guys are talking about protein combining..what exactly do you mean?

When I talk about protenin combining I think of just food combining..like when you eat carbs, you should eat some protein with it..this is well understood by nutritionalists..

The protein helps to stabalise the blood sugar and stop huge spikes from happening, which then result in in sugar lows..leaving one craving carbohydrates constantly..which is bad and leads to hypoglycemia and then diabetes..I had that problem as well, I couldnt even smoke weed with out apple juice or something there with me or I would get dizzy and once I blacked out..after that I went to the doctors.
 
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also where do you guys get the idea that these diets "remove toxins" from your body? what toxins? what mechanism do they remove them?

i think its great to eat less meat and eat more fruits and vegetables in general. this is obviously good for health. but does it really have anything to do with "removing toxins". This is such a vague claim and i see it all the time on diet fad websites. but they never say what it means how it works or what toxins are being removed. why? because their theories are usually total made up garbage.
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Well, actually I think the body contains organs that function to remove toxins from the body as their primary function. Sorta like a "filter." It's not the improved diet per-se that removes the toxins. But it's in removing much of the burden of toxins, needing to be removed from the body that may increase that function, and "fine tune" it. Enabling the more ultimate and finer removal of toxins, than can be done by the body to which toxins are being more readily added.
 
What?..the toxins are usually allergens that build up from eating the same foods over and over..sensitivities develope and alot of the time yeast goes along with it. Then there are all the toxins present in alot of the foods that we eat..

When you cut out those foods all the toxins rooted in the deeper tissues make their way to the surface and alot of it gets concentrated in the colon and people get constipation when they first start these diets..

If you are one a diet like they they usually suggest that you drink LOTS of water every day to keep the body flushing itself..and take detox supplements like bentonite clay etc..

This is not a myth I went through this. I dont care what any doctor or anyone says..NOTHING will convince me otherwise. I went through it and saw and FELT the changes as I went through the diet.
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So you removed an allergen you think? I believe that because I also know people for who this kind of thing has worked for. But calling an allergen a "toxin" is only appropriate for those who are allergic to it.

Also concerning constipation. I thought this had to do with your body not having the gut flora to aid digestion. Its kinda like when people who don't eat meat eat meat again. They need time before their gut gets used to digesting it. Similar if you switch fast to raw food. I had raw food that I never ate before and I couldn't shit right for a day. I don't think it has anything to do with a build up of "toxins". Its pretty easy to study this stuff so why isn't there real nutritional data on all this? Or is there?

I guess when I say toxins, I mean all the poisonous environmental crap that the body can't break down, and stores inside because it is too busy otherwise to remove.
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Thats about as vague as it gets. There are tons of toxins and compounds in plants you can't break down either. Especially when its not cooked. So what specifically are you talking about? All raw food proponents are this vague. Why? If there are real toxins you can easily detect them and their removal from the body. Its not that hard to do studies on this stuff.

Burnt, there is also leukocytosis. When people eat cooked food, the body sends an immune response and white blood cells help in the digestion of food. The only time this doesn't happen is when a person eats completely raw food. If 80% of the immune system lives in the gut, this becomes very significant in terms of body maintenance, especially in the case of an ill person. It's not raw food that actually cures diseases, it's just that raw food is low-impact enough to allow the body to more efficiently heal itself.
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This was only observed once in the 1930's. Since then it has never been demonstrated again. The results of this study are highly questionable. Leukocytosis typically happens when you are really ill. It also happens when people excercise. So who is to say its bad for you anyway? Although yes in many cases it is a sign of pathology. I am skeptical that a strong immune response happens when eating cooked food and doesn't happen with raw food. I want to see the evidence.

If you have any real scientific studies that have demonstrated this I would be happy to read them.

Even if it isn't "enzymes" (I know that part of the theory gets debated), there is definitely *something* at work. The proof is in the experience. It's the same thing with any kind of detox--there is definitely a core underlying phenomenon that warrants investigation. Cool
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There are plenty of reasons why raw food diets are good for people. No refined sugars. No saturated fats. Higher nutrients because they are not lost in the cooking process. And higher fiber so your gut functions nicely.

Enzymes is a myth. I would also argue that this leukocytosis thing is a myth too. But I am willing to see the evidence.

Also yes there are other sources of B12 vitamins that are not meat based. Marmide (i forge thow its spelled) is also a good source.

The only real negative part of raw food diets is you might not get the protein and other micro nutrients you need. If you take care of that you will be fine. But cooked food can be just as healthy and you can have just as good of a life with cooking your food. Overall eating more fresh fruits and vegetables is always a good thing.

Radical diet fads are usually just that fads. Thats all I am really saying. People make lots of claims with little substance for the general population.
 
Well, actually I think the body contains organs that function to remove toxins from the body as their primary function. Sorta like a "filter." It's not the improved diet per-se that removes the toxins. But it's in removing much of the burden of toxins, needing to be removed from the body that may increase that function, and "fine tune" it. Enabling the more ultimate and finer removal of toxins, than can be done by the body to which toxins are being more readily added.
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What toxins are you talking about? I am chemist you can't just say toxins and expect it to mean anything to me. There are tons of toxins everywhere in nature and in processed food.
 
Interesting, Fractal. Did you go on a B12 supplement? If you did, did you notice any differences? And (I TOTALLY forget the long names), but there are two types of B12, one of which is supposed to be a lot more bioavailable than the other.

One thing I got heavily involved with when I first started my "new" diet was tracking my food intake, with sites like fitday.com. After tracking for a period of time, I was able to get a feel for what I was eating, and roughly how much of what I needed to consume to hit the marks (it was actually incredibly easy: I'm probably getting way more nutrition now, it's tough to get *less* than several hundred percent of some nutrients sometimes). Pumpkin seeds for zinc, there's something for everything...

From time to time, now, I do get cravings for specific foods. The particular food is usually very rich in a few specific nutrients, which I sort of figure is my body saying, "HEY! You need some more of THIS!" (unless it's a craving for, say, ice cream and cupcakes. :p )

Definitely agree with Spock about lessening the burden... Like, if there is less of XYZ to remove, it makes sense, then, that a condition of acne should improve.

I am type A, and they are "supposed" to be veggie, for what it's worth. :p

HAPPINESS is so important, too! Stress can destroy a body way before diet does... so if you start stressing over whatever you eat... it is probably not so good.

Raw doesn't necessarily mean vegan, either. There are some people who feel awesome with eggs, kefir, or a diet rich in fresh veggies with a reasonable amount of organic meat. Whatever keeps you healthy, vibrant, productive, and full of energy! :)

Much love! =)
 
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They need time before their gut gets used to digesting it. Similar if you switch fast to raw food. I had raw food that I never ate before and I couldn't shit right for a day.
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Yeh, this happened to me. Exactly, for about one week after the switch my digestive was like, "holy shit!" But now I'm as comfortable as I ever remember being.

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What toxins are you talking about? I am chemist you can't just say toxins and expect it to mean anything to me. There are tons of toxins everywhere in nature and in processed food.
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Toxins in this sense would be any concentration of substance that impairs optimal function of the body, causing inflammation or congestion of the same; Substances that may be isolated and removed by the body by such as the function of the liver or kidney (or concentrated into an hardened deposit such as tumor or cyst), or otherwise causing exertion to expel rather than assimilate, to enable the continued function of the body.
 
A couple of years ago, i stopped drinking softdrinks and eating candy because i was feeling so shitty because of it. But i was still eating a lot of processed foods. Then, a couple of months ago, i kinda reconnected with fruits. Mushrooms showed me how precious they are. Since then i've started to work more of them into my diet.

Now, im ready to kick things up a notch. I have just ordered a blender, and a kg of hempseeds.
I'll start with some of fractals suggestions he gave me the other day. Hempseeds, flaxseeds.. unroasted pumpkin seeds. I also want to get some nuts. I already eat oatmeal.

A couple of days ago i started to increase my daily banana intake. I need to shop for blendable vegetables and fruits. Definatly more tomatoes ....it will take a while to find some sort of routine, especially because as a student, i'm on a tight eqv of 5$/day budget for food and can't cook.

The thought of living more healthy excites me and uplifts my mood.
 
:d im soo happy for you obliguhl!..best of luck brother my heart is with you!...
Another thing that has helped me sooooo much is cutting out every single source of gluten..I cant handle gluten at all..it is hard becasue that mean no whole wheat or oats etc..but you can make breads with hemp and flax and eat quinoa..tap water really bothered me as well..and I tested very very reactionary to the chlorine when I had blood tests done..so I drink spring water, Im lucky though that I have easy access to a wild spring right near my home..
 
Quitting grains, processed foods and sugar has made my life a lot better health wise.
fractal enchantment: There are some theories that gluten is actually an inflammatory agent so I would recommend everyone (obliguhl) to stop eating grains for at least 40 days to see if you work better with or without. Whole grains aren't actually that healthy since they are still grains, excessive fiber despite.

As for quinoa, well, Saponins aren't really great for you. Try 40 without :)
 
yeah even quinoa I barely ever eat..ive basically gone all raw..90% of my diet is now raw fruits, no meat at all..I finally cut out even fish, which makes me feel better as well..I eat tons of hemp, like handfuls of it..I just get sprouted hemp so it has all the proper enzymes..

The only thing I eat at times that isnt raw is some organic wild rice bread..with no yeast or dairy..since rice has no gluten and its made with spring water..but still I want to cut that out soon and ive been mostly just making bread with hemp and flax seeds and some fruits blended into it and cooking it on very low temps until I get ahold of a dehydrator so I dont have to cook it at all..cooking kills enzymes..

I eat tons of guacamole on salads and stuff..a bit of vegetables..lots of juice and pure water..and no oils lately..no margarine or anything like that..I was taking flax oil and olive oil but not lately..oh and never ever table salt..only rock salts and sea salts when I do use salt..and no coffee at all anymore, not even once a week..it burn my stomach so much and dehydrates me..green tea is nice and other herbal teas..

I think anyone planning on dieting like this though, drastically cutting things out should realize they are taking theyre health into theyre own hands at that point..and it would be good to find an open minded nutritionalist and holistic health practicioner with a good reputation(some of them are rediculous) for a more thorough opinion than ones given over the internet.
 
My sister wanted to stop eating meat, but she couldn't cope with it and got sick. She was like always very tired and develloped a rash. When she started eating meat again, those symptoms disapeared. I don't know why this is, because i have never felt any negative effect when i became a vegetarian. I have become so accustomed to it that i would probably get sick if i started eating meat again. Just the idea of putting that shit in my mouth and just the smell of it make me feel sick.
There must be something that i eat a lot of and that my sister doesn't eat, that can replace meat. But the only thing i can think of, that she hates and that i like is beans.
 
Fractal, thanks for the heads up. I really might try to reduce gluten intake. I noticed that it doesn't make me feel good if i eat too much bread. I used to eat 500g daily. And no worries, i won't take your word for absolute truth, so there is no weight on your shoulders should i die of scorbut :lol:

Hemp seeds seem to be a good source of protein so it will definatly a part of the diet. I also thought about using avocados. Mixing them with nuts and seeds could provide me with some sort of a nutritious paste.

It seems like i need to heavily rely on nuts and seeds because of my limited budget.
The things that's botrhering me is, that 1200cal worth of them also contain something like 70g fat. I know, its mostly good fats like omega 3 and omega 9 ... but still. But i don't really see an alternative because i just can't afford 5kg of fruits everyday :(

1200ckal of various seeds and nuts would cost around 2€ , with Water I'm at 2.50€

That leaves me with 2.50€ for fruits and vegetables. So... 2.5kg bananas, or 750g green salad, or 1.5kg apples.

I propably need to slip in one nuddle meal to prevent feeling hungry.

I'm willing to do the best i can, i mean...health is the most important thing after all ..and also a good investment, because medical treatments are always expensive even with healthcare.
 
I never suspected myself of glutardation, but when I finally cut gluten out, I felt so much better, too. Clearer mind, easier digestion. :)
 
obliguhl: Please rethink this experiment. While I'm 100% sure that cutting out sugar, grains and processed foods WILL improve your health substantialy, I'm also worried about the other aspects of your diet.

You seem like a nice guy trying to find a way to good health but sorry bro this is not it. When, if, someone reaches a high spiritual level (teacher like) and starts to connect with the food, maybe then this would be a good idea but if you just want to stay healthy please don't do it until you check the arguments from science.

I don't want to bomb you with PubMed articles but let's say that a "healthy" food regime is something that has been tested through generations.

Can you find tribal society that has eaten so much fruit every dan and still live to tell the tale ? Fructose can be dangerous in such high amounts, even with fiber.

What is your daily budget ? Also tap water is way more regulated that bottled one, so I wouldn't buy water.
 
The thing is, i can't afford to eat KG of fruit and vegetables, so i think i'll stay in the safe zone...so no need to worry. If i don't eat grains and gluten products, no refined foods and excessive dairy products...what is left but fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds?
My budget is very low, 5€/day, but im a student, what can i do. Just trying to make the best out of it. And lets face it: If you don't want to be hungry on a tight budget, you have to eat processed junk food. I'm willing to be a little hungry in exchange for better food.

What kind of diet would you suggest?

Oh and tap water quality is very very good around here, but the pipes in my room are old so the water tastes like plastic...so i try to avoid it.
 
While certain vegetables might not be problematic, fruits mostly (berries aside), are in those (half a kilo) amounts. Try to think of fruits like desserts, so a piece or two a day would be enough.

I would like to propose a 40 day experiment. No grains, no processed foods, no sugar, no excessive Omega 6, no excessive fructose.

You would live mostly on beef, eggs, fish, butter, vegetables and some nuts. I can provide more details, websites, ... but it seems it all comes down to your relationship with meat, since this would require you to eat meat at least 5 times a week. Are you willing to do that ?

If you are a vegetarian for health reasons, I would to challenge those beliefs but if your reasons are spiritual than I can only wish you the best of luck.
 
I however am all ears Shaolin. Vegetarianism is something i have shown interest in but i intend to take this one step at a time.
There is alot to learn as i have had no nutritional education. When i feel ready i will cut meat but there's alot more work to do right now.
I too am financially restricted in what i can afford. During the past month i have been making an effort to eat properly, take on exercise and yoga/meditation and hold onto mindfullness.

A few years back i went overboard with drug use, my main reasons for improving my diet are health, but also to gain mental clarity.
Ive tried to concentrate of low glycemic indexed index foods and recipes as i am pretty sure i have had a hypoglycemic roller coaster for the past few years.

Any advice is appreciated but im keen for references.
Nutrition is not rocket science but there is still a huge amount of conflicting opinions as to which diet is the best.

All in all i aim to have a well rounded diet, to cut out junk foods and keep a steady flow of nutrients rather then highs and lows.

Supplements are helpful were certain areas of my under financed diet falls short, but as i understand there is no real substitute for a good diet.

What are the boards thoughts on paleo diets?
 
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