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scared to smoke... do u think the product of my extraction is psychoactive?

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darkstorm

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hi, i did an extraction on phalaris grass today and im a little worried about smoking it because im not sure if im ready to experience dmt yet. i am not 100% sure if its psychoactive but ill tell you how i preformed my extraction and you tell me if you think it contains dmt. first i went to my local pond and picked about 2 -3 ounces of phalaris leafs. i took them home and put it in the freezer for a few hours then i took it out and started cutting it up. then i put it back in the freezer, another hour later i take it out of the freezer then let it thaw. i mixed water and white vinngar and tested it till i had a ph of below 5. added the chopped grass and put on the stove for 15 minutes. next i strained the grass out of the liquid and continued heating until the liquid was 1/4th the original size. took off the stove and added lye till i had a ph of above 10. put the liquid back on the stove and slowly evaporated all of it. there is a thin orange layer of stuff. i scraped it off the bottom of the pan. it is like orange sand. do you think if smoked any effects would be acchieved?
 
Wait a second... you are asking if you should smoke the evaporated remants of your basic solution? Is that correct? If so, the answer is NO - unless the effect you were hoping to achieve was the death effect - in which case, you're good to go.

Read through the teks on the Wiki. There are several there that aren't quite as likely to kill you or mangle your lungs.
 
Listen - I'm really not trying to be a dick here, but you just aren't ready to do this.

Read the teks. Read em all. When you've read em, read em again. Try to understand the basic principals behind each step in the process. Until you can make at least the most cursory attempts at a bit of research, I really don't think you're safe in the kitchen or consuming whatever you end up with.

This stuff isn't hard, but you really need to approach it with much respect - just as you will the finished product... because If you don't, you're asking for trouble.

Just my two cents. Take or leave it as you like...
 
darkstorm said:
took off the stove and added lye till i had a ph of above 10. put the liquid back on the stove and slowly evaporated all of it.
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What you evaporated was not only the water, but any dmt freebase that might have been in it. dmt freebase has a boiling point not much different from water's. If your water is evaporating in a stove, so does dmt. So, do not smoke what you got!!!

You should not heat the basic solutions for more than 50-60 celsius for prolonged times lest dmt will not stay in the solution for long.

Other than that, welcome to the forums!
 
darkstorm said:
lol there goes like 4 hours of work for nothin.. time to watch porn :roll:
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It's not for nothing if you learned something, especially something that will help you in the future.

btw, what porno do you like? As of lately I'm into midget porno.
 
here is where i was getting my information from

success with arundinacea!! ...

I finally got around to trying out my phalaris alkaloids from some locally collected grass growing along side a river nearby..

the tech i used is crude and could basically be done over a campfire..it grows everywhere, including in my house, so wasting was not a problem.This was just a test

I froze maybe 2 ounces of grass to break down the cell walls, then stuck it all in a blender and chopped it up.. then threw it all into a pot, added water and vinegar and simmered it for about 25 mins, then strained and continued to boil it down to very small ammount if green liquid, then I put it into freebase form and evaporated it down to a oily green blob..didnt bother with defatting this time..

Next I disolved this blob in some isopropyl and stirred until it was all absorbed, and then evaporated this green tincture back onto some crushed up passionflower leaves for a changa like smoke mix..

I loaded a little pinch into my bubbler ontop of some ashes and took it all in half a lung full..I started to feel some effect..slight tingling like something was going to happen but i couldnt really tell, so about 2 minutes after the first hit I loaded my bowl up again, this time about twice the ammount as before and hit it. Euphoria began to build and I looked at some indian blankets i have on my walls and the patturn began to morph into each other slightly and swirl around. My heartbeat increased slightly and i felt the familiar tingly pressure in my forehead..

I expereinced no nausea, the only side effect was a little uneasy feeling at the beginning(I get this with all tryptamines). I did feel slightly burned out(on the level of cannabis) about an hour or so after but nothing too noticable..could be effects of gramine or other alkaloids as this was just a full extraction.

Seemed to last a bit longer than mimosa alkaloids would at this level as well so i guess there are other contributers..def worth more exploration..kinda weary about breakthrough dosages still though..
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Infundibulum said:
darkstorm said:
lol there goes like 4 hours of work for nothin.. time to watch porn :roll:
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It's not for nothing if you learned something, especially something that will help you in the future.

btw, what porno do you like? As of lately I'm into midget porno.
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Infundibulum, we're on the same boat! But it honestly needs some clowns and/or horses to get me going anymore...


Ahem. Regarding darkstorm's phalaris tek source. First off, darkstorm, Art is right, read some more teks. Understand all of the steps of the process before attempting!! This is your MIND and LIFE you are playing with. DMT may be a safe entheogen, but that label only applies to clean, pure DMT. Unless you KNOW you have that, anything could happen.

BUT, to tell you where things went wrong, the critical piece that is missing here is an elaboration on what "converting to freebase form" entails. You're right that "converting to freebase form" simply means basifying the plant matter until the DMT acetate converts to freebase. However, the lye is TOXIC, and you need to separate the (now freebase) DMT from the basified plant matter via washes with a non-polar solvent. This is a step which your source leaves out, but which all experienced extractors would take for granted is in there.
 
I am not sure if grass teks (especially one with as little info as that) are really a place to start for beginners. There has been very little solid work put into it in comparison with mimosa.

Get some MHRB, it’s very cheap and success is pretty much guaranteed. Save the grasses until you are either more knowledgable or a decent reliable tek or two has been created.
 
Ya for a first extraction I would say mhrb is a must. Read through some teks and order some mhrb. You can find a good vendor in the suppliers section.

Goodluck and don't give up. All the work pays off more than you can imagine.
 
You're either trolling or about to do something incredibly irresponsible. Don't do this to your friend. You might kill him. I'm not exaggerating. And after reading this, that homicide becomes a little less involuntary.
 
POSSIBLE IMPENDING DEATH.

REMEMBER THAT DAMAGE DONE CANNOT ALWAYS BE UNDONE.

THIS IS HIS MIND AND LIFE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND YOUR LIFE, AS YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY BE FORCED TO LIVE WITH HORRIBLE GUILT, PROBABLY IN PRISON DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF HARM CAUSED.

People sometimes eat lye in order to COMMIT SUICIDE. Inhaling lye will BURN YOUR LUNGS. Even after being treated, it can still keep causing damage FOR MONTHS. DO NOT TAKE THESE WARNINGS LIGHTLY.
 
I think I remember reading that it would be extremely hard to reach the temperature needed to vaporize lye in a pipe. Regardless I wouldn't try smoking that basic junk you have. Here's what you could try. Make a lye/water solution and add your botched attempt to it. Stirr/shake it until its broken down as much as possible. Then add a nonpolar solvent like naphtha. Swirl and set in a hot water bath. After the layers seperate decant the naphtha and either evaporate it or freeze precip. If there are still goodies in there it should show up in the dish/jar.
 
^^^

That would work.

Also, starting over again using a different tek would work well too. Many of the teks available (A/Bs with defat steps) can be adapted to use with phalaris.
 
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