sex on ayahuasca

[JackFrost6]

I wish I had the urge to have sex while under the influence of Psychedelics. I find that I would much rather stare at a moss covered rock and watch it breathe than to get freaky with someone. I had sex on LSD once with an ex girlfriend and we couldn't stop laughing at the concept of a meat stick entering a meat hole

That's very good. I don't know this. I used to go to parties. I've had sex on LSD with a girlfriend and the laughing sensation was always after or before. Psychedelics like LSD, PCP are very strong or other similar drugs. After taking LSD at a party, it always lasts about three hours, then a strong high again. Yes, it's extreme, it's not enough just to think about something else. Believe me, I've tried it. On the morning of the party, I always have to go to the toilet. I don't want anyone to see this.

Nobody told me, nobody explained why there's so very much sperm on LSD? A really large amount of ejaculate even if the night before a man has sex and shouldn't be interested or should have a small amount. Has anyone figured out why that much is produced?
I always feel like a porn actor.

But with Aya, it's annoying. Yes, I can stand the ceremony. I made it through three nights, everything was fine. I was tired. I got out of the rainforest but got to the hostel, had a shower and couldn't stand it. I had to do it after Aya, I couldn't wait another three days after the ceremonies. The problem is also is to leak semen out at night (pollution) in your sleep. if you know. You wake up and you're wet.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Perhaps it can be time for it in an aya ceremony but given the nature of the experience, it would be very rare.

I appreciate your open-mindedness and thoughtfulness here, as I know you've really really engaged with aya.

I also agree with the above. In the instances I previously described, it wasn't planned or anything. It was spontaneous and organic in its occurrence. I will say also, that for me, though engaged with someone else, I am still very deep in my personal experience, and that said, lovemaking in this state is a different experience from sober lovemaking.

It's hard to say it's a problem when it works.

It's all good. You're not alone

One love

 

[dithyramb]

Thanks Voidmatrix. I also have an experience or two of sex during the effect. I much prefer and love/cherish the deeply joyful intimacy that can be achieved in the afterglow.

 

[Jees]

It's obvious imho that vomiting and feeling dead sick is not a fine base for it, unless one has a fetish needing that as an exception. But come down & afterglow is another matter all together.

I remember during one of my first aya ceremonies I felt at a fork of allowing libido energy in the proces or not (meaning no acting, just allowing the feelings on itself), I decided to not, it was a traditional aya set/setting and I opted for max traditional format. Later in the process I got true ahum 'healing' of an extreme devastating kind. I could not rid the idea that this level was because of the tuning set out before.

I am against the idea that I paid respect to a spirit, or that doing things differently is disrespectful to spirit (whatever spirit means is a can of worm in its own right). I just made a choice of managing/focusing attention, no more.

The words respect, spirit, sacred etc are container words that seem to be self explanatory and self evident but they aren't imho at all. They sniff dogma, just try to define it. They are killer words even in the literal sense.

Later in less traditional practices, outside the nausea frame, I did allow gradually libido feelings (no acting) in the process and this never felt wrong. It even felt an ally, a backbone, a solace, a haven, a rudder, a powerstance, a compass in sometimes bewildered states.

Later I started to introduce gradually acting under the influences but the fear was I would make for a ver stupid impression coming into an inhabited realm with pants down & dripping. Fear for being at a laughing stock in that realm. Suppose you're at a party and someone busts in like that. :lol:

I've found, so far, the realm does understand better than we might give them/it credit for. But I keep feeling once introducing libido energy, it goes effectively that route at the cost of different routes, so a choice.

 

[dithyramb]

Experiencing your own libido as an inner energy is very natural in the experience. I never thought of anything against it. As Jees said, it is usually very powerful and can prevent going into other processes. My personal approach is to not control anything. The sexual dragon gets naturally tamed if you are in a diet retreat, and healing processes happen naturally without being hijacked by passions. The sexual experiences are of course healing too, but there is way more that awaits that requires to stay still. This is the reason why sexual energies are not to be engaged in diets. Because if you keep masturbating or having sex and doing ceremonies everyday, you will not go much past sexual themes in your experiences and healing.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

The words respect, spirit, sacred etc are container words that seem to be self explanatory and self evident but they aren't imho at all. They sniff dogma, just try to define it. They are killer words even in the literal sense.

They can be taken in a different context too. For me these are intuitive sentiments induced by the experience itself. I get the feeling that certain behavior and attitude is respectful and if I act accordingly it benefits the experience, or from a subjective point of view, the relationship between me and the spirit of the vine / hyperspace / my subliminal mind.

These things easily turn into dogma, but not necessarily.

 

[Jees]

Dithyramb & Tomtegubbe, yes when we ourselves do not fill the agenda and let the talking over to the free enfolding experience, this opens a huge potential. Fine lingering traces of intelligence can arise.

If we define this as 'respect' or 'sacred practice', then we just have given this exact meaning to those words. I'm okay by that. Yet I've lost a friendship with someone who started to consider anything else than that as wrong, bad, negative. I might have grown a tad suspicious about traditional format jokeying, became to see it as a potential fogging of free experience itself.

I think we do understand each other well.