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I've heard very mixed opinions about Neuromancer. A lot of people seem to feel that while it was definitely a phenomenal book when it released, nowadays it feels dated and silly in some ways. What do you think about that stance? -Nydex

They're mistaken. They're mistaking their unfeeling familiarity with the consumer internet and its physical aides with their actual knowledge. It literally is dated, it was written 40 years ago, which doesn't matter. Myopic is the key word. <-------somebody's very enthusiastic about w. gibson> That book is on that list for lots of reasons (!) Read it




[adding on : This author is not only extremely skilled at writing and stylistically unique, he's also creative and original. Genius imho ]
 
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I've heard very mixed opinions about Neuromancer. A lot of people seem to feel that while it was definitely a phenomenal book when it released, nowadays it feels dated and silly in some ways. What do you think about that stance?
I havent read these opinions so idk why they think that. I didn't think it was dated or silly at all. I'm not a very pc person so maybe there's something in that that upset them? Like people who can't appreciate the James Bond character.
I'll be re-reading it soon, so I'll report back but I expect you to be done before me as this one I'm in the middle of now is pretty dense.
 
I started reading Neuromancer but couldn't really get into it, I stopped about 1/3 in. I think partly it wasn't the right moment for me to read it, so at some point I'll give it a second try.

What do you all think about A Scanner Darkly? I really liked it, even if the ending felt slightly disappointing and weak as compared to the rest of the book. But as a whole I think it was very good, and played well with the confusion between reality and delusion that may come with heavy substance use.
 
I started reading Neuromancer but couldn't really get into it, I stopped about 1/3 in. I think partly it wasn't the right moment for me to read it, so at some point I'll give it a second try.

What do you all think about A Scanner Darkly? I really liked it, even if the ending felt slightly disappointing and weak as compared to the rest of the book. But as a whole I think it was very good, and played well with the confusion between reality and delusion that may come with heavy substance use.
Oh, thats Phillip K Dick right? I forgot that was a book. I've only seen the movie. Loved the movie, would read the book
 
They really did the originating short story (from Burning Chrome) dirty with that Johnny Mnemonic movie unfortunately. It had its moments, especially the first fifteen minutes but dragged on after that. Someone will make an amazing Nueromancer movie soonish i bet !
 
Nice topic with a great title, Sci-Fi might be the biggest hobby I have in my lifetime!

About 5 years ago I started calculating how many Sci-Fi books I had already read, and the number I ended up with was around 500-600 books (on Kobo alone I have around 300 books).

I mostly read when I go to bed, I do this to prevent my mind racing off. So I literally start reading until I cannot read the letters anymore, I then put the eReader down and then usually quickly fall asleep.


Due to me having read so many Sci-Fi books, at one point in time this got me worried so much that I took some action: what worried me that much was the idea that I might had read almost all of the good Sci-Fi books already. What if new good Sci-Fi books arrive too slow to keep up with my reading pace? This really worried a lot!

So I started looking to slow down my reading-speed, in the hope that I could enjoy the books I loved a little bit longer. Among other things this made me read the text upside down, with other angles and mirror text. The only thing this resulted in however, was me being able to now read text in any angle and in the mirror pretty fast, handy for escape rooms but less to slow down my reading-speed. 😆

In the past I had a huge bookcase with shelfs full of paper Sci-Fi book I had read. Then just before second hand paper books became almost worthless, I sold them all except a few that meant a lot to me. These days I only read from my eReader, I like the light weight of it and the red backlight when I'm reading in bed.

The eReader I have is the Kobo Clara HD B/W, if I would have to buy a new one I would buy the Kobo Clara Colour, not for the colors but for the much faster hardware it has, the extra speed is not a big deal really but when you read about 2-4 hours a day you get picky, also the on/off button is in a much better spot.

And as a last sidenote, I like to read all my Sci-Fi in the English language, this since Dutch versions often include some seriously uhm... questionable translations. For the Dutch people around here, I think the word 'Ploffer' as translations for 'Blaster' comes first to mind.


When people ask me which Sci-Fi book I liked the most, I usually recommend Hyperion, since even though the story is not for every one, it has IMHO the best writing style of all of them, you can probably open almost any random page from that book and then use the proza on that page for the lyrics of your next song, a song which would probably allow you to buy the small town of Portmeirion, Wales.

Like I wrote before, out of the big paper collection I only kept a VERY small collection of books that meant something special to me, these are those books:
  • The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams

    This book I bought in the English language when I visited the USA for the first time in 1994. It had a big impact on me as how I saw the universe, and I just love the type of humor and with that the critique it stands for.

    "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move"

    "His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it" -On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has ever had-


  • Cities in Flight - James Blish

    Dystopian earth, escaping with a complete city into the universe as a flight of liberation, the bittersweet optimism and embracing the future in uncharted space, don't look back.

    Lessons for life.


  • Hyperion

    No extra praise needed. ;)


  • Surface Detail - Iain M. Banks

    As the book begins, a war game -the "War in Heaven"- has been running for several decades. The outcome of the simulated war will determine whether societies are allowed to run artificial Hells, virtual afterlives in which the mind-states of the dead are tortured. The Culture, fiercely anti-Hell, has opted to stay out of the war while accepting the outcome as binding.

    While reading the complete Culture series by Iain M. Banks, this was one of the last books in that series I read, and it completely absorbed me. Even though it can get quite raw at times, the overal story is just such a mesmerizing philosophical thought for me, hence why it ended up on my bookshelf as an ode to what this story did for me.


  • The Winged Man - A. E. van Vogt

    One of the first Sci-Fi books I read when I was young, and I read it many times over and over in that era. So put that in the nostalgia category, I do not dare reading it these days since I'm scared it will spoil the magical view I have of it in my head.

    The story is interesting though: A current day nuclear submarine, including it's full nuclear armament, is teleported to the far future by an unknown winged man.

Now as to some other recommendations:
  • A Deepness in the Sky - Vernor Vinge

    @universecannon already mentioned this one, it's also in the zones of thought universe, I liked this book quite a lot more than A Fire Upon the Deep.

  • Shard of Earth - Adrian Tchaikovsky

    After reading the Children of Time books, I had to read this one as well. A bit different than the Children of Time books, and I still like it.

  • World Walkers - Neal Asher

    A book that has The Traveler in it! 😁

    Well rounded book, very easy to read, and lovely ideas in it.

  • The Uplift War - David Brin

    Quite a classic and part of The Uplift Saga. Set in a future universe in which no species can reach sentience without being "uplifted" by a patron race. But the greatest mystery of all remains unsolved: who uplifted humankind?

  • Life free or Die - John Ringo

    One of the more military type of Sci-Fi series (hey, it's written by John Ringo after all!), the book is a real joy to read, even humorous.

  • Old Man's War series - John Scalzi

    Old retired people get a second chance.

  • Writer Peter F. Hamilton, the following series:
    • Night's Dawn
    • Commonwealth Saga (start basically as a clone of 'The Mote in God's Eye' by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle)
    • Void

I can probably go on for hours, and this is just one part of the many pages I quickly scanned in my booklist. 😅


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Nice topic with a great title, Sci-Fi might be the biggest hobby I have in my lifetime!

About 5 years ago I started calculating how many Sci-Fi books I had already read, and the number I ended up with was around 500-600 books (on Kobo alone I have around 300 books).

I mostly read when I go to bed, I do this to prevent my mind racing off. So I literally start reading until I cannot read the letters anymore, I then put the eReader down and then usually quickly fall asleep.


Due to me having read so many Sci-Fi books, at one point in time this got me worried so much that I took some action: what worried me that much was the idea that I might had read almost all of the good Sci-Fi books already. What if new good Sci-Fi books arrive too slow to keep up with my reading pace? This really worried a lot!

So I started looking to slow down my reading-speed, in the hope that I could enjoy the books I loved a little bit longer. Among other things this made me read the text upside down, with other angles and mirror text. The only thing this resulted in however, was me being able to now read text in any angle and in the mirror pretty fast, handy for escape rooms but less to slow down my reading-speed. 😆

In the past I had a huge bookcase with shelfs full of paper Sci-Fi book I had read. Then just before second hand paper books became almost worthless, I sold them all except a few that meant a lot to me. These days I only read from my eReader, I like the light weight of it and the red backlight when I'm reading in bed.

The eReader I have is the Kobo Clara HD B/W, if I would have to buy a new one I would buy the Kobo Clara Colour, not for the colors but for the much faster hardware it has, the extra speed is not a big deal really but when you read about 2-4 hours a day you get picky, also the on/off button is in a much better spot.

And as a last sidenote, I like to read all my Sci-Fi in the English language, this since Dutch versions often include some seriously uhm... questionable translations. For the Dutch people around here, I think the word 'Ploffer' as translations for 'Blaster' comes first to mind.


When people ask me which Sci-Fi book I liked the most, I usually recommend Hyperion, since even though the story is not for every one, it has IMHO the best writing style of all of them, you can probably open almost any random page from that book and then use the proza on that page for the lyrics of your next song, a song which would probably allow you to buy the small town of Portmeirion, Wales.

Like I wrote before, out of the big paper collection I only kept a VERY small collection of books that meant something special to me, these are those books:
  • The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams

    This book I bought in the English language when I visited the USA for the first time in 1994. It had a big impact on me as how I saw the universe, and I just love the type of humor and with that the critique it stands for.

    "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move"

    "His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it" -On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has ever had-


  • Cities in Flight - James Blish

    Dystopian earth, escaping with a complete city into the universe as a flight of liberation, the bittersweet optimism and embracing the future in uncharted space, don't look back.

    Lessons for life.


  • Hyperion

    No extra praise needed. ;)


  • Surface Detail - Iain M. Banks

    As the book begins, a war game -the "War in Heaven"- has been running for several decades. The outcome of the simulated war will determine whether societies are allowed to run artificial Hells, virtual afterlives in which the mind-states of the dead are tortured. The Culture, fiercely anti-Hell, has opted to stay out of the war while accepting the outcome as binding.

    While reading the complete Culture series by Iain M. Banks, this was one of the last books in that series I read, and it completely absorbed me. Even though it can get quite raw at times, the overal story is just such a mesmerizing philosophical thought for me, hence why it ended up on my bookshelf as an ode to what this story did for me.


  • The Winged Man - A. E. van Vogt

    One of the first Sci-Fi books I read when I was young, and I read it many times over and over in that era. So put that in the nostalgia category, I do not dare reading it these days since I'm scared it will spoil the magical view I have of it in my head.

    The story is interesting though: A current day nuclear submarine, including it's full nuclear armament, is teleported to the far future by an unknown winged man.

Now as to some other recommendations:
  • A Deepness in the Sky - Vernor Vinge

    @universecannon already mentioned this one, it's also in the zones of thought universe, I liked this book quite a lot more than A Fire Upon the Deep.

  • Shard of Earth - Adrian Tchaikovsky

    After reading the Children of Time books, I had to read this one as well. A bit different than the Children of Time books, and I still like it.

  • World Walkers - Neal Asher

    A book that has The Traveler in it! 😁

    Well rounded book, very easy to read, and lovely ideas in it.

  • The Uplift War - David Brin

    Quite a classic and part of The Uplift Saga. Set in a future universe in which no species can reach sentience without being "uplifted" by a patron race. But the greatest mystery of all remains unsolved: who uplifted humankind?

  • Life free or Die - John Ringo

    One of the more military type of Sci-Fi series (hey, it's written by John Ringo after all!), the book is a real joy to read, even humorous.

  • Old Man's War series - John Scalzi

    Old retired people get a second chance.

  • Writer Peter F. Hamilton, the following series:
    • Night's Dawn
    • Commonwealth Saga (start basically as a clone of 'The Mote in God's Eye' by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle)
    • Void

I can probably go on for hours, and this is just one part of the many pages I quickly scanned in my booklist. 😅


Kind regards,

The Traveler
I knew you'd click with a thread like that! We share a lot of habits in terms of reading, though you definitely went the extra mile in trying to slow yourself down :ROFLMAO: Also, I'm a Kindle user, but I'm definitely not opposed to switching to Kobo at some point. Once I turned to eReaders, physical books lost their power on me. Yeah, sure, I like the smell of the paper, but the quality-of-life that comes with using an eReader is just too good to pass on.

Technically speaking, the first sci-fi book I read when I started getting back into it about 5-6 years ago, was the Remembrance of Earth's Past series. Many years before that I had read other sci-fi like The Gods Themselves and The Day of the Triffids (lovely book btw!), but I don't count these days as part of my sci-fi journey. And I was still a bit on the fence after reading Three Body since you know it can be quite dense, especially by virtue of everything that's undoubtedly lost in translation from Mandarin to English (I read all of my literature in English as well).

And then you recommended Hyperion to me and I absolutely fell in love with the genre again. So in a way, I have you to thank for getting me back into it. <3

Excellent recommendations too, I am definitely putting them all on my list. It's interesting to hear that both you and @universecannon found the second book in the Zones of Thought series better than the first one, which is the last book I read. I might have to go back to that series in this case, but now I'm neck-deep into the machinations of the Imperium of Man, and I don't see myself leaving that anytime soon! :D
 
This thread is surely a gem. I just used a token to purchase Hyperion (over 20hrs). I'm looking forward to it.

Perhaps I'll have something novel to add, as most of what I am familiar with I'm sure you all are too. I am thankful for the Nexus getting me into Dune while in my thirties. I still appreciated the very first movie.

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This thread is surely a gem. I just used a token to purchase Hyperion (over 20hrs). I'm looking forward to it.

Perhaps I'll have something novel to add, as most of what I am familiar with I'm sure you all are too. I am thankful for the Nexus getting me into Dune while in my thirties. I still appreciated the very first movie.

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Hyperion, while quite dense, is an extraordinary piece of literature. Especially the first book. The way it's structured and paced, and the masterful way in which Simmons uses metaphors, produced a novel which I am unlikely to forget.

Enjoy!
 
I had this idea of reading every novel released since the 80s that had won at least one of the big sci-fi awards, but when I started doing that, I understood why genre aficionados warned me against this approach and told me these awards don't reflect the subjective quality of the novel in as impactful a way as one would expect.

An example of this was Ann Leckie's "Imperial Radch" series, which won every big sci-fi award under the sun, at the same time, in the same year - something no other author had ever achieved until that point. And while her prose certainly wasn't amateur, and her ideas were interesting, I still found this series to be kind of boring. I'd be curious to hear what others that have read it thought.

And in line with Trav sharing this cool excerpt, here's one from her 2013's "Ancillary Justice" where she describes one of the novel's figures, having been diminished from a vast distributed intelligence, spanning not only between multiple individual bodies, but also a massive interstellar ship, to a single physical body:
There was a time when I was more than this - more than one body, one heartbeat, one narrow field of vision. I was Justice of Toren, and my thoughts filled corridors that stretched for kilometers. Orders were pulses of light and sound, traveling through me like nerves through flesh.

I had thousands of eyes, and in all of them I could see the same instant - soldiers in armor, blood on the floor, breath frosting the air. I was a ship, and I was also a thousand bodies that were not mine. I could feel the vibrations of the deck through every foot, the hum of the engines through every nerve. Even now, cut down to one fragile human body, I remember what it was to be everywhere at once.

The loss is a silence I can’t escape. The world feels small, too slow, too dim. Every heartbeat a reminder that I am singular now, and that singularity is a kind of prison.

While public opinion of this series seems to be overwhelmingly positive, I found it very mediocre in many regards, and I think this highlights one of the biggest issues with taking an approach as mine - when you start reading something just because it won awards, you set yourself up with some massive expectations from the get go. You go into this book expecting something extraordinary - after all it won all of these awards, so it must be something truly special, right? This puts a constant pressure on the author to deliver, and when you subconsciously keep seeking this award validation, you lose a big portion of the immersion that would have naturally been part of your experience had you gone into it without any expectations.

I think this translates well to movies and other media, such as games. Expectations are the enemy of unfiltered experience. I've learned my lesson, and I will consider revisiting this series in the future when time has erased at least some of my memories of it, so I can give it a fair chance.
 
Just popping in to give another shout-out to The Gods Themselves by Asimov. As a whole, it's not my favorite sci-fi book ever, but that 2nd part is just too wild and wacky to ever forget. Leading up to its publication I believe Isaac was challenged by a critic regarding his ability to address certain themes in his books, and what we got was that middle portion of TGT.

My favorite sci-fi authors are probably Bradbury, Clarke, and Dick, though Bradbury is sort of toes-in-the-water sci-fi compared to the rest of the genre. Not much in the way of technical writing or themes in his shorts or his longs. Regardless, he's probably my favorite author of all time--definitely top 3. I love how he does creepy.
 
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  • Surface Detail - Iain M. Banks

    As the book begins, a war game -the "War in Heaven"- has been running for several decades. The outcome of the simulated war will determine whether societies are allowed to run artificial Hells, virtual afterlives in which the mind-states of the dead are tortured. The Culture, fiercely anti-Hell, has opted to stay out of the war while accepting the outcome as binding.

    While reading the complete Culture series by Iain M. Banks, this was one of the last books in that series I read, and it completely absorbed me. Even though it can get quite raw at times, the overal story is just such a mesmerizing philosophical thought for me, hence why it ended up on my bookshelf as an ode to what this story did for me.

This thread has made me nostalgic for the sci-fi vibes I had earlier in life. So I am starting to work on the back log. "Consider Phlebus" was the first on the list. I can report that it gripped me and was a great view in the philosophical structures of empires and societies. Very excited to continue with more of the culture series!


  • Old Man's War series
Can confirm the Old Man's War series is awesome. I got to check that I am caught up.


This thread is surely a gem. I just used a token to purchase Hyperion (over 20hrs). I'm looking forward to it.

Perhaps I'll have something novel to add, as most of what I am familiar with I'm sure you all are too. I am thankful for the Nexus getting me into Dune while in my thirties. I still appreciated the very first movie.

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Hyperion, while quite dense, is an extraordinary piece of literature. Especially the first book. The way it's structured and paced, and the masterful way in which Simmons uses metaphors, produced a novel which I am unlikely to forget.

Enjoy!
Hyperion Cantos is one of my favorite sci-fi series. Its just so unique and a treat!


Just popping in to give another shout-out to The Gods Themselves by Asimov. As a whole, it's not my favorite sci-fi book ever, but that 2nd part is just too wild and wacky to ever forget. Leading up to its publication I believe Isaac was challenged by a critic regarding his ability to address certain themes in his books, and what we got was that middle portion of TGT.

I remembered "the gods themselves" but totally forgot that Asimov wrote that one. Completely out of his wheelhouse 🤣 but it was pretty good.
 
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Hyperion Cantos is one of my favorite sci-fi series. Its just so unique and a treat!
I am listening to the epilog of the first book now. I 20 hour endeavor that was pretty enjoyable throughout. The Canterbury Tales style lends itself to exploring and fleshing out the overall world the characters find themselves in. That said, while it's dense in detail, it is still easy to listen to and I imagine to read, but with so many details, there's a lot of nexus points of story pivot and interest that seem hard to keep in mind.

However, I personally don't mind because I have enjoyed it so much I can definitely see myself listening to it again, after I get through the other three books. I really like that Universe.

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Last night I finished reading "Eversion" by Alastair Reynolds and I absolutely loved it.

Contrary to Reynolds' usual style of vast spans of space and time, colossal space battles, and plots that unravel over thousands, sometimes millions of years, Eversion is a much tighter, more compact piece of compelling fiction that explores a story of denial and acceptance, authentic human connection, and making hard ethical choices under immense pressure. It goes through the motions of what it is to be human, to be alive, and to have responsibility.

It has a much longer exposition period that most of his other work, and keeps you guessing almost to the very end, similarly to how the protagonist feels. It connects you to their sense of being lost and confused, but in a way that makes you resonate with them. It messes with your mind and makes it difficult to distinguish reality from a dream. And in the end, it ties it up in a beautiful, powerful way.

I breezed through this book in much less time than I expected to. An absolute page-turner, and a truly unique standalone in Reynolds' already phenomenal catalogue of brilliant science fiction. Highly recommend.
 
I am coming up on the end of Neuromancer... while enjoyable throughout and also evident it's influence into the cyberpunk genre, and I consider that as a caveat, I found it a little hard to read. Coming to the end, I'm not really sure how I got to where I am. At the same time, it could be that I need more practice reading fiction, which was one of the reasons that I read it in the first place.

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I've been on a Phillip K Dick kick recently. Read Ubik in a few nights. Absolutely loved it. Highly recommend. Psy/Sci Fi Mystery gold
Read Scanner Darkly in about the same time. Had only seen the movie. The book does a much better job exploring the questions of identity.
I then went into some of his short story collections. Mostly his early work so far. My two favorites have been
We Can Remember It For You Wholesale
and
Autofac
 
I am coming up on the end of Neuromancer... while enjoyable throughout and also evident it's influence into the cyberpunk genre, and I consider that as a caveat, I found it a little hard to read. Coming to the end, I'm not really sure how I got to where I am. At the same time, it could be that I need more practice reading fiction, which was one of the reasons that I read it in the first place.

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I don't know if it's about practice, I've heard similar sentiments from many people who read Neuromancer and found it difficult to go through. Some of them say it feels dated. I might read it one day, but considering how massive my reading list still is, and how frequently I seem to be adding more stuff to it, the odds of it being blessed with my attention aren't looking good :D

I'm moving onto "Pushing Ice" now, I have high expectations about that one. Will share my thoughts here when I'm done with it.

I've been on a Phillip K Dick kick recently. Read Ubik in a few nights. Absolutely loved it. Highly recommend. Psy/Sci Fi Mystery gold
Read Scanner Darkly in about the same time. Had only seen the movie. The book does a much better job exploring the questions of identity.
I then went into some of his short story collections. Mostly his early work so far. My two favorites have been
We Can Remember It For You Wholesale
and
Autofac
I'm yet to read anything by PKD. I know he has some true classics in every sense of the word and I should be paying more attention to his work, but damn it 24hrs are just not enough in a day :D
 
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