Should i try a breakthrough my first try?

[mescaline-man]

I keep reading that people who don't break through feel kind of de-energized or drained if they don't break through and it can be negative & some times it doesn't go as well, do you think i should try to breakthrough my first try say with 50mg's or more? What happens when you go past 50 - say 60 - 70 mg's? Is it more intense or is a breakthrough a breakthrough?

 

[The Electric Hippy]

My first experiences were with sub-breakthroughs, where I took a hit or two and got a good body load then closed my eyes and watched the visuals. This definitely helped prepare me for my breakthroughs, so I would recommend that you start small and work your way up.

EDIT: Depending on the method of administration, breakthroughs for most people can be achieved with as little as 20-30 mg's of freebase. The more efficient your method of delivery, the less spice you will require.

 

[mescaline-man]

My first experiences were with sub-breakthroughs, where I took a hit or two and got a good body load then closed my eyes and watched the visuals. This definitely helped prepare me for my breakthroughs, so I would recommend that you start small and work your way up.

EDIT: Depending on the method of administration, breakthroughs for most people can be achieved with as little as 20-30 mg's of freebase. The more efficient your method of delivery, the less spice you will require.

Cool, thanks for the help.

 

[alert]

I definitely wouldn't start with 50mg. It is best to test the waters first.

 

[mescaline-man]

I definitely wouldn't start with 50mg. It is best to test the waters first.

My water has a ppm of 50 i just tested it today :lol: thanks for the heads up. What do you think the spiritual significance is of spice? does it make you happy just be being there? i know you communicate with entities, do you ever feel like "God" (or i like to call "it" - "The All That It" or "The Oneness")is talking to you or vice versa? The only thing i'm worried about is my back, it's very tense alot of the time and my alignment is off in my legs, my pelvis, and my L1 (first disk) is compressed more than halfway of what it should be (12mm gap is normal - mine is 5mm). Does anyone notice any added pain or relief from places that are not so healthy or injuries ect. already in your body?

I notice when i wake up in the morning i feel great and completely relaxed mentally and physically, but once i get moving around i notice my balance and my back more so. If sleeping or dreaming has anything to do with dmt release i would imagine it might help me.

I've also heard Terence Mckenna mention that dmt raises all the issues more so than any other substance. What do you think he means by this?

 

[alert]

I've had extremely spiritual experiences with spice but I think it is better to go into it without expectations. The truth is spice is absolutely nothing like you expect it to be and it will blow all your preconceptions out of the water. Human language is completely incapable of describing these peak experiences.

 

[mescaline-man]

I've had extremely spiritual experiences with spice but I think it is better to go into it without expectations. The truth is spice is absolutely nothing like you expect it to be and it will blow all your preconceptions out of the water. Human language is completely incapable of describing these peak experiences.

Ok :surprised ..... so just do it then

 

[Korey]

A lot of people may disagree with me, but I think you're wasting your time with this compound if you're dilly dallying with small doses when vaporizing.

 

[alert]

A lot of people may disagree with me, but I think you're wasting your time with this compound if you're dilly dallying with small doses when vaporizing.

I understand what you are saying, but how is a person supposed to figure out what a small dose is they don't test the waters first? Some people don't need much at all to breakthrough. Taking large doses with no experience is what leads to traumatizing experiences and people swearing off the chemical for life after their first try. Working your way up is hardly "dilly-dallying."

 

[mescaline-man]

A lot of people may disagree with me, but I think you're wasting your time with this compound if you're dilly dallying with small doses when vaporizing.

I'm not really concerned about the lower dosing to get used to it if i'm going to do it i want to do it "right". and iv'e read alot that breakthroughs are not possible to get yourself ready for... I WANT SOME ANSWERS TO MY/THE PURPOSE!

 

[mescaline-man]

I understand what you are saying, but how is a person supposed to figure out what a small dose is they don't test the waters first? Some people don't need much at all to breakthrough. Taking large doses with no experience is what leads to traumatizing experiences and people swearing off the chemical for life after their first try. Working your way up is hardly "dilly-dallying."

Oh ok, i get you now. But does the dose intensity ever stop at like 60-70mg's or does it keep getting more & more complicated or intense?

 

[mescaline-man]

I've also heard Terence Mckenna mention that dmt raises all the issues more so than any other substance. What do you think he means by this?

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[Korey]

A lot of people may disagree with me, but I think you're wasting your time with this compound if you're dilly dallying with small doses when vaporizing.

I understand what you are saying, but how is a person supposed to figure out what a small dose is they don't test the waters first? Some people don't need much at all to breakthrough. Taking large doses with no experience is what leads to traumatizing experiences and people swearing off the chemical for life after their first try. Working your way up is hardly "dilly-dallying."

You can load a pipe with DMT and smoke until you breakthrough. I disagree, for me, working my way up with any compound would be not only boring, but mundane and quite dilly dally esque.

 

[alert]

In my experience it is possible to "breakthrough the breakthrough" at 60mg+ but if you read around the forum the bulk majority of train-wreck experiences are all at that dose level. Spice is well known for handing out cosmic ass-kickings that feel like they last an eternity. It isn't all smiley rainbows and entities.

 

[Korey]

I'm completely aware of that. I've vaporized spice probably over 150 times now, and my ass gets handed to me quite regularly, but I enjoy it thoroughly. I find it a little peculiar that many are afraid of having difficult or "traumatizing" experiences with this compound, why are they smoking in the first place if they're going to tip toe around what this compound's psychedelic action has to offer?

 

[alert]

You are implying the only proper way to do DMT is to breakthrough. There is something to be gained from this molecule at every dose level and there is no right or wrong way to use it.

 

[Korey]

You are implying the only proper way to do DMT is to breakthrough. There is something to be gained from this molecule at every dose level and there is no right or wrong way to use it.

No I am not. For me, low dose and sub breakthrough doses offer me nothing when vaporizing DMT. They really don't. So for me, I prefer breaking through. I have friends who find DMT offers decent introspection at low doses, but I however find it doesn't.

 

[mrwiggle]

intensity, complexity, depth, and speed increase with dosage, you can go ahead and vape 60+ mg of spice but dont expect to be able to compute what just happend, you'll most likely get a black out scenario, especielly if you havent been working extensivly with the spice. also sub breakthrough can be quite nice, i like to use sub breakthrough for cosmic wiggle yoga, its quite nice indeed..so in closing i would say its all watevs...at the same time there is a sweet spot, try to find it!

 

[mescaline-man]

intensity, complexity, depth, and speed increase with dosage, you can go ahead and vape 60+ mg of spice but dont expect to be able to compute what just happend, you'll most likely get a black out scenario, especielly if you havent been working extensivly with the spice. also sub breakthrough can be quite nice, i like to use sub breakthrough for cosmic wiggle yoga, its quite nice indeed..so in closing i would say its all watevs...at the same time there is a sweet spot, try to find it!

Alrighty, thanks everyone i think i'll start with about 30 mgs it might be a little much but hey iv'e been down the rabbit hole pretty deep (or have i?) :thumb_up:

 

[MooshyPeaches]

I wouldnt say go for a breakthrough just because people document negative experiences with a sub-breakthrough. Lots of beauty and awe in a sub breakthrough. However, if what you want is a breakthrough experience and you have no fear of the unknown/what is going to happen, than i say 30mg sounds great. having a little slice of the cake before feasting on the whole thing is always a good idea though.