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Should i try a breakthrough my first try?

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When I was regularly dosing people, I always aimed for a breakthrough dose, regardless of pretty much everything, including psychedelic experience.

Out of dosing somewhere between 30-40 people I only had two people who had rough experiences. One of them was someone who, in hindsight, I knew I shouldn't have dosed (for a myriad of reasons), but did anyways at his insistence. After taking his first (fairly small) hit, he panicked and refused to take anymore, choosing instead to attempt to fight the trip the whole way through. Needless to say, he had a rough low dose experience.

The other person who I witnessed have a rough trip took a larger hit and held it in for longer than I've ever seen anyone hold a dose. After finally exhaling his dose, he lay down quietly on the bed for about one minute. Suddenly, his eyes snapped open and he began screaming and thrashing. I lay across him in an attempt to keep him from hurting himself/breaking things/trashing my room.

I was at least his weight if not bigger and was barely able to impede his actions. We wound up getting bucked onto the floor where he resumed screaming and milder thrashing for some minutes. I lay on top of him and spoke soothingly into his ear, trying to reassure him (if there was even a chance of him hearing) that everything was going to be ok and that he was safe. He soon quieted down and went slack, whereupon he went still and was gone for the next ~25 minutes. At around 30ish minutes or so into the experience, he opened his eyes, muttered incoherently and crawled onto the bed, where he curled up under some blankets and went still again.

He occasionally talked to himself or made sounds over the next 30-45 minutes before emerging from under the blanket and grinning uncertainly at me. He said thank you a number of times and stated that he had only a patchy memory of what had happened. He was shocked to hear the recounting of what had happened while he'd been elsewhere. He left in an awed and thankful manner, but it was certainly a very rough experience.

Everyone else that I dosed to breakthrough followed the same general pattern of taking their hit(s), leaning back/closing their eyes, and grinning for a long period of time, before sometimes occasionally opening their eyes/talking for a brief period and then closing their eyes/resuming the tail end of their experience and then coming down. The vast majority of people, including several individuals who had no prior psychedelic experience had beautiful and/or transcendental experiences.

As to having been/going down the rabbit hole...remember...there is always another level.
 
i say if you don't feel comfortable breaking through first go, then there is nothing wrong with that. while you will need to face your fears at some point, it certainly isn't a bad idea to test the waters and i don't see why this should result in a negative outcome. my first experience i had absolutely no idea what to expect.. the amount I had didn't quite "break me through" but it was absolutely beautiful none the less and took away the nerves a bit before breaking through the next time.

if your going to break through just be really honest with yourself before going in. i often have a bit of a dialogue in my head before going in, about my intentions of having the experience... this may include being honest with myself about past wrong doings that have let me down, things I feel on a day to day basis which I don't quite understand the root of and need some clarity and help on, and how willing I am to pay 100% attention without contemplating it too much.. if i have trouble applying these things beforehand with complete honesty, i just won't do it, and wait till another time where i feel more clear about my intentions

either way spice has always rewarded me with every trip, but i have noticed you definitely get out what you put in with it.. and sometimes all it takes is a bit of honesty. the universe knows you better than you think ;)
 
mescaline-man said:
Korey said:
A lot of people may disagree with me, but I think you're wasting your time with this compound if you're dilly dallying with small doses when vaporizing.


I'm not really concerned about the lower dosing to get used to it if i'm going to do it i want to do it "right". and iv'e read alot that breakthroughs are not possible to get yourself ready for... I WANT SOME ANSWERS TO MY/THE PURPOSE! 😉


Maybe not COMPLETELY prepare you, but every little bit helps. I know that for me, going through a Body Deconstruction experience(Hyperspace lexicon - DMT-Nexus Wiki) on 5g of powdered mushrooms definitely helped prepare me for my first two Spice experiences. A Breakthrough is LITERALLY the most intense thing one can go through, in my opinion.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
When I was regularly dosing people, I always aimed for a breakthrough dose, regardless of pretty much everything, including psychedelic experience.

Out of dosing somewhere between 30-40 people I only had two people who had rough experiences. One of them was someone who, in hindsight, I knew I shouldn't have dosed (for a myriad of reasons), but did anyways at his insistence. After taking his first (fairly small) hit, he panicked and refused to take anymore, choosing instead to attempt to fight the trip the whole way through. Needless to say, he had a rough low dose experience.

The other person who I witnessed have a rough trip took a larger hit and held it in for longer than I've ever seen anyone hold a dose. After finally exhaling his dose, he lay down quietly on the bed for about one minute. Suddenly, his eyes snapped open and he began screaming and thrashing. I lay across him in an attempt to keep him from hurting himself/breaking things/trashing my room.

I was at least his weight if not bigger and was barely able to impede his actions. We wound up getting bucked onto the floor where he resumed screaming and milder thrashing for some minutes. I lay on top of him and spoke soothingly into his ear, trying to reassure him (if there was even a chance of him hearing) that everything was going to be ok and that he was safe. He soon quieted down and went slack, whereupon he went still and was gone for the next ~25 minutes. At around 30ish minutes or so into the experience, he opened his eyes, muttered incoherently and crawled onto the bed, where he curled up under some blankets and went still again.

He occasionally talked to himself or made sounds over the next 30-45 minutes before emerging from under the blanket and grinning uncertainly at me. He said thank you a number of times and stated that he had only a patchy memory of what had happened. He was shocked to hear the recounting of what had happened while he'd been elsewhere. He left in an awed and thankful manner, but it was certainly a very rough experience.

Everyone else that I dosed to breakthrough followed the same general pattern of taking their hit(s), leaning back/closing their eyes, and grinning for a long period of time, before sometimes occasionally opening their eyes/talking for a brief period and then closing their eyes/resuming the tail end of their experience and then coming down. The vast majority of people, including several individuals who had no prior psychedelic experience had beautiful and/or transcendental experiences.

As to having been/going down the rabbit hole...remember...there is always another level.

Awesome story, i myself am probably "in hindsight, I knew I shouldn't have dosed" am one of these people, but i know that whatever happens, as long as i have someone with me i'll be fine just like this, I use mescaline with fantastic results, really what i'm looking for is a pscyhological healing - therapy - transcendence - from the best doctor there is - nature - mescaline helps for a week or two surprisingly and iv'e only used it a couple of times low doses, i have ocd, social anxiety, maybe a mild schizophenria that's what i - would - get diognosed with if i went to a psychotherapist. I don't have the time, money and/or patience to go to some therapist and sit there and take synthetic anti-psychs and listen to what i already know and have researched. Only i, with the help of nature, can heal myself. - thanks again for the story - it makes me a little more content.
 
bricklaya said:
either way spice has always rewarded me with every trip, but i have noticed you definitely get out what you put in with it.. and sometimes all it takes is a bit of honesty. the universe knows you better than you think ;)

Thank you i like that :thumb_up:
 
The Electric Hippy said:
Maybe not COMPLETELY prepare you, but every little bit helps. I know that for me, going through a Body Deconstruction experience(Hyperspace lexicon - DMT-Nexus Wiki) on 5g of powdered mushrooms definitely helped prepare me for my first two Spice experiences. A Breakthrough is LITERALLY the most intense thing one can go through, in my opinion.
Whoah :shock:
 
I think everything that is "wrong" with me stems from my mind - i like the term psychedelic because it means - mind manifesting. And i love this quote -
"Being diagnosed with a disorder, that's societies latest way to deny it's own illness by pointing the finger at you" - Wayseers Manifesto
[YOUTUBE]

I have much respect for all psychedelic substances, i don't do anything nowadays just to get a buzz or to get high, i can't avoid the spiritual side of psychs even weed for me is spiritual when i smoke it - i only eat it nowadays because i get panic attacks from smoking it.

How did you know you shouldn't have dosed your friend?
 
Hola Mescaline-man

I am going to step outside the box and suggest you try Ayahuasca or pharmahuasca first...

I believe it is more of a warm welcome into the DMT realm...

This is how I broke through my first time and I don't at all regret it


I also have heard of people freaking out into primal scream mode like Snozz mentions..I had some friends that actually got evicted because of that exact situation. The landlord lived a few doors down and heard the screaming and came to investigate...no good
 
Eliyahu said:
Hola Mescaline-man

I am going to step outside the box and suggest you try Ayahuasca or pharmahuasca first...

I believe it is more of a warm welcome into the DMT realm...

This is how I broke through my first time and I don't at all regret it

Cool man, did you do it alone? i don't have a sitter right now. I just moved to Colorado maybe 1 month and a half ago.
 
I did it alone but I have an extensive history of tripping very hard alone.

Things happen for a reason, today you found out what part of the country I live in...

you have my permission to PM me.
 
This is up to the individual to decide. I myself started out with small doses and gradually moved up. I recently took 50mg through a vape in one hit and that was pretty intense lol. I've had a friend blast off on his first try and he was very happy with his trip, despite being very nervous.
 
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