smoking method / equipment and other advice

[gennarino]

Hello,

I have to start with telling how delighted I am that found this site and the community with all the nice people sharing information and experiences, makes life such easier. I am totally new to the "dimitri-world" therefore made this post to ask for some advice.
First of all I red a few topics about the Vapor Genie, but I didn't get why is only the glass version is ok for DMT, the wooden one is not suitable?

The spice is 100 mg freebase white crystal dmt plus 50 mg freebase yellow crystal dmt, I plan to mix them together, then make 2 portions for our trip. Me and my friend both in mid twenties, about 70 kilos each, both have some previous psychedelic experience with acid and shrooms. So the dosage should be ok for a galactic trip, based on the charts and information I gathered both here and erowid.

The more important question is the method of smoking. We have scheduled the fun for the next few days so unfortunately I can't get a Vapor Genie so quickly, but we have 2 vaporizers.

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I was thinking of using the glass one for this, but a bit worried about the crystals melting through the screen. I would really appreciate some advice on this, or any helpful comments.

Thank you. With love,

Rino

 

[3rdI]

hello gennarino, welcome to the nexus:thumb_up:

the smoking method I would use is a bong. Either infuse or sandwich your magic with herb and then puff tuff.

if your technique is ok then your 150mg is gonna get you about 5 decent journeys.

the VG is fine, you just cant see whats going on, plenty of people have had success with a VG but the GVG is preferable.

knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought my GVG as I prefer infused herb in a nice glass bong.

good luck with your journey

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought my GVG as I prefer infused herb in a nice glass bong.

*ahem*

CHANGA IN THE BONGA!!

..that is all.

 

[Earthwalker]

knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought my GVG as I prefer infused herb in a nice glass bong.

*ahem*

CHANGA IN THE BONGA!!

..that is all.

You love the CHANGA IN DA BONG parshvic chintan are you sure you arnt a bong salesman :lol:

 

[3rdI]

knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought my GVG as I prefer infused herb in a nice glass bong.

*ahem*

CHANGA IN THE BONGA!!

..that is all.

:lol: The one time I forget, damn you Parshvick and your perfect smoalking method.

 

[adam]

I really love the gvg as it is portable, the bong is nice and definitely effective method. The gvg however is just great for freebase, it is very efficient. Also if your like me and like to vape outdoors I think the gvg is superior, unless you don't mind lugging a bong up a mountain or something like that.

 

[gennarino]

Thanks for the answers fellows. Maybe next time I gonna try the changa as well, but it was easier for me this time to get the crystals.

After I have done some more research, I am still not convinced that we can smoke it effectively from this vaporizer:

( http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/online_headshop/Eagle_Bill__Shake_amp_Vape_Pipe.cfm?iProductID=3408 )

The problem is the glass is gonna be heated up quickly and gonna burn the crystals. Shall I try to use just ordinary aluminium ovenproof foil to put under the spice, then it is gonna help? (Knowing that the dmt is gonna melt on 70 celsius, and the foil has a 600+ celsius melting point.)

Or I do better probably and postpone the trip and get a vapor genie. But I don't get how can it be effectively be smoked from a bong, when at the bong there is direct flame "touching" the crystals right?

I red many different opinions, but so far the 3 most effected way seemed to be "the machine", "the sandwich", and the Vapor Genie.

 

[alank950]

Try using the bong but sandwich the crystals with ganga/herb or parsley placed between two mesh pipe screens.Run the flame just above the top mesh screen for a vape effect.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Thanks for the answers fellows. Maybe next time I gonna try the changa as well, but it was easier for me this time to get the crystals.

Changa is extremely easy to make from crystals. Dissolve crystals in a minimal amount of acetone or IPA, put leaf matter in a shot glass, pour DMT-containing acetone or IPA over leaf matter, let it dry completely. I would recommend you try this with a little bit of your DMT, as well as trying different vaporizers. Then you can determine what works best for you.

After I have done some more research, I am still not convinced that we can smoke it effectively from this vaporizer:

( http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/online_headshop/Eagle_Bill__Shake_amp_Vape_Pipe.cfm?iProductID=3408 )

The problem is the glass is gonna be heated up quickly and gonna burn the crystals. Shall I try to use just ordinary aluminium ovenproof foil to put under the spice, then it is gonna help? (Knowing that the dmt is gonna melt on 70 celsius, and the foil has a 600+ celsius melting point.)

Exactly, don't waste your money on that thing. Aluminum foil poses the same problem. Conduction is just not an effective method. I would say make The Machine, and use it until you can purchase a GVG if you decide you want to try the GVG. I have not even considered using any other method since I bought the GVG and a reliable torch lighter. I always used The Machine in the past and it worked almost as well as the GVG.

The sandwich method will work, but it is not very effective and it is typically pretty wasteful, especially for the beginner.

 

[alank950]

Could one use an Arizer extrme q vaporizer for crystal dmt..if so what would be the best method?

 

[3rdI]

I don't know about that vape, but if it doesn't use convection then it won't be optimal.

Bong/GVG/machine are your best options, imo

 

[Tranzcentral]

hello gennarino, welcome to the nexus:thumb_up:

the smoking method I would use is a bong. Either infuse or sandwich your magic with herb and then puff tuff.

if your technique is ok then your 150mg is gonna get you about 5 decent journeys.

the VG is fine, you just cant see whats going on, plenty of people have had success with a VG but the GVG is preferable.

knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought my GVG as I prefer infused herb in a nice glass bong.

good luck with your journey

^This 100%.:thumb_up:

I have a 12" glass bong and it just works.

I've never used the mesh people talk about, so this is just a question for i have no idea about it, but would any of the DMT stick/melt to any of the mesh at all? :?

 

[3rdI]

When using mesh the magic is meant to melt into it, the mesh holds the magic very well due to the shape and it allows for effective vapourisation.

But I don't think its nessasary with infused herb or changa, however I remember some body saying they cleaned there bong down tube and noticed quite a lot of Magic had run down it. It may be worth adding a little herb under you changa/infused herb just in case.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I would also recommend that anyone going with the bong method do so without any water in it. My reasoning for this is that the water could potentially cool the vapor and cause it to crystallize more rapidly, wasting a considerable percentage of your dose.

 

[3rdI]

I would also recommend that anyone going with the bong method do so without any water in it. My reasoning for this is that the water could potentially cool the vapor and cause it to crystallize more rapidly, wasting a considerable percentage of your dose.

I have never found this, I always use water in my bong and never notice any difference in the strength of the Magic.

Have you tried with vs without water?

 

[Entheogenerator]

Have you tried with vs without water?

I have done both but it was years ago when I was first exploring spice, so I couldn't say for sure whether or not there was a change in strength. I didn't mean to portray it as a proven fact by any means, just a theory. Personally I'm not a fan of water filtration in general, but I have been meaning to experiment with a water pipe a little bit to see what I come up with.

EDIT: I imagine it is likely to be true to some extent, but I can't say for sure whether or not it would be significant enough to noticeably alter the dose that makes it into your lungs.

 

[Tranzcentral]

Hmm without water, i might try it later this week..

 

[gennarino]

Wow thank you again for the replies, I forgot to check the topic after the last reply. I am still surprised and delighted how popular is DMT nowadays, and what a nice culture and community it has.

Our 'extraterrestrial journey' is scheduled for tomorrow now, and I decided to use the glass vaporizer upside down, removing the screen, that is basically a mini machine, so I am gonna just get a steel pot scrubber from the pound shop and cut a small part to fit in, then rock'n roll. After the spice started melting, will it turn to liquid as they say? Just asking because of health and safety, theoretically I think it can flow through the mesh and drop down just where your hand holds the lighter, not?

By the way I am curious how often do you guys smoking this magic? Because it is much more powerful and has a stronger mental effect then psychedelics, maybe even acid, is it still usual to smoke it on a weekly basis? Obviously it is relative and subjective I know, but just curious about the habits.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Wow thank you again for the replies, I forgot to check the topic after the last reply. I am still surprised and delighted how popular is DMT nowadays, and what a nice culture and community it has.

Our 'extraterrestrial journey' is scheduled for tomorrow now, and I decided to use the glass vaporizer upside down, removing the screen, that is basically a mini machine, so I am gonna just get a steel pot scrubber from the pound shop and cut a small part to fit in, then rock'n roll. After the spice started melting, will it turn to liquid as they say? Just asking because of health and safety, theoretically I think it can flow through the mesh and drop down just where your hand holds the lighter, not?

By the way I am curious how often do you guys smoking this magic? Because it is much more powerful and has a stronger mental effect then psychedelics, maybe even acid, is it still usual to smoke it on a weekly basis? Obviously it is relative and subjective I know, but just curious about the habits.

The DMT will liquify when warmed, but it should not drip out. If you are holding a lighter close to the metal mesh, it will vaporize before it has a chance to run out.

I smoke spice as often as I get "the calling". Sometimes 3 times in a year, sometimes 3 times in a week. It varies depending on what is going on in my life and my head at the time.

When I first discovered spice, I smoked it multiple times a day for a few weeks. I do not recommend this.

 

[Trypp Jones]

If you were me i would make straifht tweed like, saturate your crystals in a lil bit of isopropyl alcohol and dunk a medium sized nug in it, dmtweeed its what im about because, you get consistent hits and its easier to burn the sandwich bowlss but you know