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Taking a stroll through a local Bunnings the other day, SWIM could really only find Shellite and Xylene as solvents for extraction.
Shellite leaving an oily residue and Xylene stinking like a major chemical spill, are there any other solvents that could be suggested to SWIM?

Toluene I believe is highly carcinogenic.

D-Limonene sounds ideal for its smell, safety, and pulling ability however I'm pretty sure it's not an available product in Australia.

Are there any other suggestions of what products that can be used for extracting Obtusifolia?
 
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chocobeastie said:
Sceneys also do a good Toluene brand available by the litre ... some Mitre 10 stores seem to stock it!
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they also do a far better shellite than diggers which home hardware sell..

if your looking for good full spectrum go sceneys toluene or if crystals then sceneys shellite.. if your dealing with a large amount of alkaloids you could do initial pull with toluene, salt and pull with shellite if crystalisation is desired
 
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Ok good to know. Yes I wander about the packaging too, a test on di@#$rs acetone done a while after purchase left a distinct plastic residue too and so far the solvents with metalic containers have as to be expected stood up to the test best.
Do you have a mitre10 where you are? They stock sc@$%s 100% toluene. Xylene is just too stinky and toxic for my paint thinning needs.
 
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Any thoughts on the following -

Two pulls with shellite, one with xylene, mix the two together then salt out.

Would mixing the shellite and xylene cause an issue with the salting? As far as my thinking goes there should be no problems but a chemist might know more. Think I'll give this a shot next time.

I don't want to evap the xylene as this will result in dmt oxide in my climate.

The other option is to just extract with xylene and salt out. How many pulls would I need?

Thanks for any ideas on this.
 
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You may as well pull with just xylene if you are going to salt out and if you are bothered about toxicity and or the environment then dlimonene will work just as good as will sunflower oil however it takes a while to settle and is messier and tricky getting the last layer if oil of the solution.
Amount used depends on volume of starting material maybe check the jimjam party tek for volumes.
 
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Hey DreaMTripper,

Thanks you kindly for you response. I guess I'll pull with xylene then salt out. I'm thinking the xylene could be reused indefinitely which would reduce the impact to the environment. Salt is then rebasified and pulled with shellite for freeze precip.

Thanks again for your help.
 
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i don't see why combining the two solvents for salting would cause any issues...though if anyone has evidence of the contrary please correct me - i've heard its not good to combine solvents to pull alkaloids and can cause weird reactions - but i'd presume salting would act differently as the alkaloids would already be in each solvent and its unlikely that the two solvents mixing together would suddenly alter/degrade them (though with time maybe?)

although i don't use it often anymore, i've found with shellite that it pulls alkaloids more effectively when the alkaloids have been salted out and rebased in a new solution. for crystalisation salting and rebasing simplifies the solution that the solvent comes into contact with, and reduces it to basically water, acid and alkaloids ..

people should consider whats more worth it though - a nice looking product that lacks in other desirable alkaloids or a full spectrum product which doesn't look as nice physically, but (subjectively) is deeper in terms of the experience on offer.

at the end of the day dmt and friends are better for vaping than staring at in a vial.. after a deep experience I bet you'll hold your extract in the highest regards no matter how it looks.. though it is nice to have some pretty crystals sometimes. i'd at least advise pulling with a less selective like toluene or xylene and then re-acid/basing/pulling with shellite if you really need crystals. then you can pull whatever is left in the solution with the other solvent afterwards to experiment with and figure out whether you want it in the extract as a whole
 
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Thanks for your detailed reply acacian.

I plan to x chacruna so its either white shiny crystals of DMT or contamination with oxide. I plan to use xylene in response to the discussion that shellite is not pulling what it used to. Leaves take a long time to grow so I don't want to be throwing away good product. i also plan to add around 30g of salt to the basified aquas to increase yields. i tend to use the lextek as a guide.

I do hope to one day x acacia. I tried acacia changa once and was well impressed. I got some lingering side effects though. I think it was from the d limonene contamination as the dmt was just salted out of d limo and evaped straight onto the leaf base. I reckon if I ever try d limo I will look into how to ensure that all the contaminates are removed so I don't react to it. Might be worth rebasifying then pulling with shellite but then the natural product element of the tek is gone. May as well just use xylene then I guess.

Thanks for all your help folks.
 
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Swim successfully pulled white crystals with shellite. However after pouring the shellite into another container and letting the jar drip dry upside down in the freezer, there is still an oily residue. It makes all the crystals smell of shellite. And the crystals turn to mush when touched with finger. It suggest shellite is still there. How does one remove this residue?
 
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Well on the shellitte ( diggers ) it seems to evap clean for me with just a type water mark left on the glass , I no that does not evap as clean as the zippo but I found the zippo pulled a lot of yellow in fact the zippo almost looked like high lighter yellow when it came outta the soup !!
 
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DMTpanda you should reX in heptane or hexane, zi@ppo may even work..

Something Ive noticed is companies leaving out details on their packaging so in the interests of safety check msds and be fully aware of what youre buying before decorating!
 
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Yay, I am so glad I found this thread.

Diggers shellite has been a total headfuck for me.
my last batch (100g) I mixed my solution with shellite for 45 minutes with 10 minutes in between every 6-7 minutes of shaking to warm container back up to 50 degrees celcius.

1st 150ml pull yielded 0.1g

:/

im going to try xylene - evap - re x with zippo.
I use gas masks so xylene isn't so bad but toulene does sound appealing.

I have a few questions for you guys.

1. does sc6%eys shellite freeze precipitate?

2. what is your ideal temperatures when extracting? I feel like must be overdoing it.

3. how long do you guys mix each pull for?

4. has anyone tried the KCB shell yet?

5. has anyone had results using any acid other than fumaric for FASA?
 
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1) See post #17 in this thread
2) EDIT: 35-40*C, the warmer the naptha, the more it can hold (to a point). This goes the same as the polar solvent as well thou, so that's why I normally let it cool down to room temperature before adding hot naptha. You're trying to get the hot naptha to pull as much alkaloid before the base solution cools it down to same temperature.
3) I normally wait 1 hr for each pull (mixing it 4-5 times throughout, but waiting a good 10-15 minutes for everything to settle and clear up before I pull the naptha)
4) I haven't tried
5) People are getting great results with white-vinegar as the acid. This is also answered in the FAQ

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me
 
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Yes I wonder whether the 5% of toluene in sc#$eys shelly makes that much difference. I suppose it depends on the ratio to spice.
200ml would have 10ml of toluene which could hold maybe up to 100mg(?) however once saturated it wouldnt be held by the hexane as spice isnt very soluble at all in cool hexane. Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
A test would be to dissolve a known ammount of spice and weigh how much precipitates the next day once its dry. The remainder could always be recovered by backsalting or evapping.
 
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Now thinking back to my last extraction I was over joyed just having a positive result but is anyone else abit annoyed at diggers

shellite's pulling power ?? It shouldn't take ten pulls to empty 100g ACRB of dmt FFS I no acacia does hold onto it's magic but 10

pulls !!
 
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Thankyou for the detailed response! i missed that #17 post.

I purchased some diggers xylene today and I did not miss the smell.

Do you guys warm your xylene or is powerful enough at room temperature?

Yes I am pretty frustrated with diggers shellite. I have a 2kg soup I have been working on for over a month now. I have pulled several times with shellite and yielded maybe 2-3g. the idea behind the large batch was so that I could concentrate the legal risk of my dmt supply to one extraction. but now it is dragging out so long, I am wary to hold onto my soup (in a 5 liter hdpe container).

would anyone be able to reccomend me how many ml of xylene I should use for each pull for 2kg, 3 liter soup? 100ml for every 200g of material would leave me with 1 liter per pull which seems ridiculous but maybe not. If that is the case, it is possible as I will be able to re-use my 1 liter of xylene via salting.
 
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omnilucident said:
Thankyou for the detailed response! i missed that #17 post.

I purchased some diggers xylene today and I did not miss the smell.

Do you guys warm your xylene or is powerful enough at room temperature?

Yes I am pretty frustrated with diggers shellite. I have a 2kg soup I have been working on for over a month now. I have pulled several times with shellite and yielded maybe 2-3g. the idea behind the large batch was so that I could concentrate the legal risk of my dmt supply to one extraction. but now it is dragging out so long, I am wary to hold onto my soup (in a 5 liter hdpe container).

would anyone be able to reccomend me how many ml of xylene I should use for each pull for 2kg, 3 liter soup? 100ml for every 200g of material would leave me with 1 liter per pull which seems ridiculous but maybe not. If that is the case, it is possible as I will be able to re-use my 1 liter of xylene via salting.
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The usual rule of thumb in 1g bark = 1ml solvent , but as you say it would be about 2 lt , I no that you should be getting more then

1-2 g per pull and I no that xylene will pull some of the fats that are in the bark ,

And answering you're previous question ;-

1 - yes the shellite does freeze precipe and I do my pulls with soup at room temp and shellite is hot , the reasoning with room

Temp soup is you will pull more fats when the soup is warm ( don't no if this is fact ) but I've herd this from quite a fair few

Experianced ACRB users !

2 - water baths should be about 45 degrees

3 - I mix my pulls for a few minutes and seperate 4 times !

4 - Kcb is from supercheap and haven't here much about it !

5 - I use everyday cooking white vinegar with good result !
 
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