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Stop strong ayahuasca trip
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Not really, I’ve read that benzodiazepines can be used safely to dampen the effects, but since I have no experience with it I can’t really advise you.
I can advise you to start low and work your way up accepting whatever is presented to you. Slowly learn how to manage difficult trips. Now if you do decide to proceed and take some initiative come back and tell us how it went.
Read this, it answers all your questions.
wiki.dmt-nexus.me
I can advise you to start low and work your way up accepting whatever is presented to you. Slowly learn how to manage difficult trips. Now if you do decide to proceed and take some initiative come back and tell us how it went.
Read this, it answers all your questions.
DMT-Nexus Wiki:Health and Safety - DMT-Nexus Wiki
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Sabnock1990
Be Your Own Shaman
Some things i've found useful/handy are: music with good headphones, Tobacco (either smoking or snuffing), focusing on breathing and calmly/deeply breathing, throwing up helps as well at least ime, also certain herbal teas like Lemon Balm tea (3 to 4 grams) or Passion Flower if you have/can drink it (you can also smoke it ime for a similar mild GABAergic effect, same i think for Skullcap maybe), you can use a benzo for it's GABAergic properties, if you absolutely need it you can take an anti-psychotic which is known as a "trip killer" to block off the Serotonin 2A receptor at the least, which is contrary to people labeling benzo's "trip killers" whereas they are moreso calming/anti-anxiety agents which can relax/calm you and reduce the bodyload and intensity, which Lemon Balm and Passion Flower and Skullcap and Amanita and some other things fall into that GABAergic category as well. You may also try changing up your setting, like going outside if you're inside or inside if you're outside, maybe take a nice hot/warm shower (which feels absolutely amazing btw), or get nice and cozy in the bed and just "let go", ya know? Other than all that though, you pretty much just have to let go and surrender either way, remember that you've taken these compounds (Harmalas and DMT), they have active effects at different receptors in the body, they have a duration and phases, the come up doesn't last that long and will pass no matter how intense it may be it will pass, so as they say, pretty much just gotta go along for the ride, everything will be alright.
I really do recommend music though, especially starting it before the DMT starts coming up, so like what i do is take the Harmalas, wait an hour and then take the DMT while i'm listening to music, and as i'm listening to music and getting in a good headspace/mindset the DMT starts kicking in and coming up and the music helps to guide the experience in a positive direction and gives you something to focus on rather than focusing on the bodyload and intensity. So have music playing, preferably with headphones, before you start coming up on the DMT, and it'll make the transition a bit smoother, at least ime. If you're already in the throes of the come up though, you can still put on some music and it can be enough to turn your headspace around for the better, but since one might be already rattled due to the intensity, it can be a bit more difficult sometimes to get into the music because one can be too focused on the intensity, so the key imo is to have music going before you start coming up so that the headspace is already in a good place, and then just focus on the music rather than the bodyload, and try to calm/quiet the mind, which focusing on the music also helps with.
One of the main things i recommend though, is to simply sip on the DMT-containing tea for 10 to 15 minutes, you can do this with Mimosa, Acacia, Chacruna, Chaliponga, or even pure DMT dissolved into some sort of liquid maybe flavored liquid (that would be nice lol), and you just take the Harmalas, and an hour later have you a cup of tea and take small sips of it here and there so that you drink it all within 10 to 15 minutes. Sipping on the DMT within that time frame ime will smooth out the come up and reduce the come up intensity, so that the experience is still powerful but you have a much smoother lift off. Whereas if you take say, pure DMT in a capsule, or DMT in a small Ayahuasca shot, or DMT in a small shot in general, it's going to absorb and kick in pretty much all at once, and thus will be very intense during the come up. By sipping on the DMT, you can effectively kinda stretch out the come up and it'll kick in a bit more like if you were to sip alcohol or something vs slamming it all back at once. That is imo/ime the best way to smooth out the come up intensity while maintaining maximum effect and without having to add anything else to the mix.
As far as GABAergics go, i recommend Lemon Balm tea because it's a natural alternative to pharmaceutical benzos, and while mild in comparison, 3 to 4 grams of Lemon Balm works wonders for removing the bodyload from Ayahuasca and reducing the intensity, while providing relaxative and anti-anxiety properties, it also lightens things up and makes things a bit more positive. Benzos on the other hand, can be safely used while on Ayahuasca if you need/have it, but i would recommend the lowest/minimum effective dosage, so that you don't dull things down, benzos are different in their mechanism of action in comparison to Lemon Balm and so benzos can have a stronger effect and can dull things down if you take too much, Lemon Balm at higher dosages may dull things down a little but it's usually always been pretty clear/clean feeling to me, and it works like a charm.
But like i said, try a nice shower sometime, whether during the come up or during the peak or what not, it feels amazing.
I really do recommend music though, especially starting it before the DMT starts coming up, so like what i do is take the Harmalas, wait an hour and then take the DMT while i'm listening to music, and as i'm listening to music and getting in a good headspace/mindset the DMT starts kicking in and coming up and the music helps to guide the experience in a positive direction and gives you something to focus on rather than focusing on the bodyload and intensity. So have music playing, preferably with headphones, before you start coming up on the DMT, and it'll make the transition a bit smoother, at least ime. If you're already in the throes of the come up though, you can still put on some music and it can be enough to turn your headspace around for the better, but since one might be already rattled due to the intensity, it can be a bit more difficult sometimes to get into the music because one can be too focused on the intensity, so the key imo is to have music going before you start coming up so that the headspace is already in a good place, and then just focus on the music rather than the bodyload, and try to calm/quiet the mind, which focusing on the music also helps with.
One of the main things i recommend though, is to simply sip on the DMT-containing tea for 10 to 15 minutes, you can do this with Mimosa, Acacia, Chacruna, Chaliponga, or even pure DMT dissolved into some sort of liquid maybe flavored liquid (that would be nice lol), and you just take the Harmalas, and an hour later have you a cup of tea and take small sips of it here and there so that you drink it all within 10 to 15 minutes. Sipping on the DMT within that time frame ime will smooth out the come up and reduce the come up intensity, so that the experience is still powerful but you have a much smoother lift off. Whereas if you take say, pure DMT in a capsule, or DMT in a small Ayahuasca shot, or DMT in a small shot in general, it's going to absorb and kick in pretty much all at once, and thus will be very intense during the come up. By sipping on the DMT, you can effectively kinda stretch out the come up and it'll kick in a bit more like if you were to sip alcohol or something vs slamming it all back at once. That is imo/ime the best way to smooth out the come up intensity while maintaining maximum effect and without having to add anything else to the mix.
As far as GABAergics go, i recommend Lemon Balm tea because it's a natural alternative to pharmaceutical benzos, and while mild in comparison, 3 to 4 grams of Lemon Balm works wonders for removing the bodyload from Ayahuasca and reducing the intensity, while providing relaxative and anti-anxiety properties, it also lightens things up and makes things a bit more positive. Benzos on the other hand, can be safely used while on Ayahuasca if you need/have it, but i would recommend the lowest/minimum effective dosage, so that you don't dull things down, benzos are different in their mechanism of action in comparison to Lemon Balm and so benzos can have a stronger effect and can dull things down if you take too much, Lemon Balm at higher dosages may dull things down a little but it's usually always been pretty clear/clean feeling to me, and it works like a charm.
But like i said, try a nice shower sometime, whether during the come up or during the peak or what not, it feels amazing.
I have to go into work, but just a few real quick (some of which have likely been covered.
Breathe: focus solely on this. Whenever your focus shifts, gently bring it back to breath.
Warm shower or bath can calm the nervous system.
Light ambient music can also calm nerves.
I'd avoid benzos but CBD is very very helpful. Take a fair amount.
One love
Breathe: focus solely on this. Whenever your focus shifts, gently bring it back to breath.
Warm shower or bath can calm the nervous system.
Light ambient music can also calm nerves.
I'd avoid benzos but CBD is very very helpful. Take a fair amount.
One love
nolo,
How are you feeling today?
How are you feeling today?
This is wonderful news because in fact you are very connected to nature and the universe.
Along these lines I do this:
The mind easily gets roller coaster in such situations. Things can pop up in the mind with consequent emotional loads attached to it making the ride even harder.
For the mind to not make things worse one could try to shut it up, or Zen it, but that doesn't fly usually.
So if I can't stop that tornado mind, I give it a dedicated task and try to nail it to that task only:
1) use the mind as your breathing manager, use the mind so you keep having nice slow deep breathwork, follow those with the mind.
2) use the mind to have contact or focus or awareness of you skeleton, begin with the mind an identification process with your whole skeleton and confirm that this is you.
If you do those 2 points that is plenty enough to keep your mind occupied, and those 2 points wil not generate excess emotions on top of the already hairy ride.
Usually I do this in silence.
The referring to the skeleton is not arbitrary chosen. It is the densest most earthly part of you, closest to rocks and furthest from emotional layers, it is strong and defies time, even remains after you're death. It is a safe haven to return to. It does not matter much, or least, the faster vibrations, it represent your lowest octaves, the base, the ground.
Residing in your skeleton is like what an external armor could do, but internal.
I've not read this anywhere but was intuitively guided to these values.
What also works for me, start yawning, long and deep, seems to interrupt the trip somehow to a level.
Another hint once posted here (haven’t done that so far)
humming,... making soft long noises...
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frequencyelevation
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Niacin can stop or significantly reduce the effects of a trip, but I'd start getting your body adapted to the flushing effects prior to potentially needing it, you want the version with flush (not niacinamide, you want nicotinic acid aka niacin). 250mg twice a day, titrating upwards until you can get to 1-1.5g without uncomfortably flushing.
For reference, it nearly completely stopped a 8.5g MHRB tea experience dead in it's tracks when I overdid it one time. Although, I was bummed when it kicked in, because the trip actually settled into itself nicely by then :/
edit: I took about 4g's of Niacin to stop that 8.5g MHRB trip. I've taken 2.5g's to stop a high dose mushroom trip in the past when things got a bit psychosis-y. Once you don't flush at 1-2g's, you won't really flush at any higher dose.
All the benefits of taking a benzo to kill a trip without the nasty side effects. I don't recommend killing a trip unless it's absolutely necessary though, a lot of lessons are learned during the tough ones.
For reference, it nearly completely stopped a 8.5g MHRB tea experience dead in it's tracks when I overdid it one time. Although, I was bummed when it kicked in, because the trip actually settled into itself nicely by then :/
edit: I took about 4g's of Niacin to stop that 8.5g MHRB trip. I've taken 2.5g's to stop a high dose mushroom trip in the past when things got a bit psychosis-y. Once you don't flush at 1-2g's, you won't really flush at any higher dose.
All the benefits of taking a benzo to kill a trip without the nasty side effects. I don't recommend killing a trip unless it's absolutely necessary though, a lot of lessons are learned during the tough ones.
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This has been fascinating, even when I was young I heard about the effect of vitamin B3, although I have never tried it myself it is described in literature in 1955. Not much else has been published about it after, and anekdotes seem to contradict each other.
Maybe we should, for sake of science try it with a group.
Here is the reference, I need to check but I think I have access to the whole article and can download it if needed.
We've also theorised Cyproheptadine could dampen or stop a trip to a degree. But nil reports back on nexus as of yet. There is some anecdotal evidence online but it's unsure if it would be as effect post doses and likely dependant on pyschedlic ingested.
Benzos and olanzapine would be other options. Olanzapine would likely work very well.
Benzos and olanzapine would be other options. Olanzapine would likely work very well.
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frequencyelevation
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Niacin is an interesting compound. It's also thought to be anti-aging (it has similar effects as NAD+, if not more-so and way cheaper - Niacin and NAD+ ). It's also thought to stop schizophrenic episodes (Niacin and schizophrenia). Bill W, the founder of AA realized the benefits and ended up going on a Niacin crusade in his later years, which the medical community didn't take to (Bill W and Niacin).
I've began taking it daily in high doses. This book, which in full transparency I haven't read, is the source for most information on it (Niacin: The Real Story - Abram Hoffer)
Niacin - nature's benzo
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Eating a morning glory leaf works for me even better than niacin. Both will kill the trip but with niacin it leaves some pressure in my head as the psychedelic energy is "blocked." With morning glory leaf or flower (NOT seeds), the psychedelic energy is transformed into peace and bliss and giggles, with zero side effects. Deepest relaxation ever.
Morning glory leaf alone without ayahuasca does not do much for me.
I specifically use beach morning glory, but i am told others also work.
Morning glory leaf alone without ayahuasca does not do much for me.
I specifically use beach morning glory, but i am told others also work.
purrpuss
Feed me!!
Sit for an hour, or for the rest of the trip. The sit sits you. It lowers your heart rate, it calms your entire body system’s fight or flight, which is deeply tied to the physiological side of the experience. It anchors you across time. All the sitting you do builds momentum across the minutes and hours and provides itself as an energetic water spout. Things will rise up, and release through you. You are an energy water spout! A point of focus (such as breath, a visual point like a candle or rock, or a mantra, or all combined even can help find you. For example with a little rock on the ground in front of you, combining all three, you can think ‘rock’ with each exhale as you look at the rock. In a different more feminine and chaotic way, If you would like to lose yourself, you can try and let the energy manifest and climax through you, let energy flow, face it, and the art of non-focus can be your way too.
Should you have an extremely difficult experience, know that while you may feel and actively be shattered or compromised in whatever way post experience, this burden of awareness can also be transformed into something more gentle and whole and, eventually along your path, will someday hopefully even be considered a gift which has added richness and color and wisdom to your path. An opportunity of spiritual growth you didn’t ask for but accepted anyway. After a difficult experience, it can be good to learn how to revisit it from a centered place, so that the pent up energy can rise up and fade away. This does require bravery, and is best done fully sober, as fear or moments you can face are often somewhere else, or out of this world. Meditation technique is your friend here, that your soul can bridge across space and time, to find its companion still stuck in that moment. As you calm down, your experiences will come to you, and rise up from within of themselves. You can back out at any time from the (at times intense) gravity of the sit, but should you go in with the intent to experience, and thus, transform your fears(or whatever), you will grow in consciousness, wholeness, love, and so much more. Sit and let the panic take you away, you are brave and will find ~
Should you have an extremely difficult experience, know that while you may feel and actively be shattered or compromised in whatever way post experience, this burden of awareness can also be transformed into something more gentle and whole and, eventually along your path, will someday hopefully even be considered a gift which has added richness and color and wisdom to your path. An opportunity of spiritual growth you didn’t ask for but accepted anyway. After a difficult experience, it can be good to learn how to revisit it from a centered place, so that the pent up energy can rise up and fade away. This does require bravery, and is best done fully sober, as fear or moments you can face are often somewhere else, or out of this world. Meditation technique is your friend here, that your soul can bridge across space and time, to find its companion still stuck in that moment. As you calm down, your experiences will come to you, and rise up from within of themselves. You can back out at any time from the (at times intense) gravity of the sit, but should you go in with the intent to experience, and thus, transform your fears(or whatever), you will grow in consciousness, wholeness, love, and so much more. Sit and let the panic take you away, you are brave and will find ~
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This kind of advice is always great, but I think it’s something that just becomes completely impossible when you’re really, really deep into that mental state, when everything is panic and chaos and you’re totally overwhelmed by the trip. What you’re describing might work when you’re having some difficulties or a slightly challenging experience, but it doesn’t really hold up when it’s really bad.
In those moments, people are too panicked to even get to a stage where they can make a conscious decision to do anything. Maybe if you’ve got a really conscious trip sitter, someone who’s very tuned in to what’s happening in the space and in your trip, they can step in and help guide you through. But in my experience, just knowing these things yourself isn’t enough when it really goes off the rails.
In those moments, people are too panicked to even get to a stage where they can make a conscious decision to do anything. Maybe if you’ve got a really conscious trip sitter, someone who’s very tuned in to what’s happening in the space and in your trip, they can step in and help guide you through. But in my experience, just knowing these things yourself isn’t enough when it really goes off the rails.
purrpuss
Feed me!!
Yes I guess we all have our limits…
But this advice comes from my experience with extreme panic and terror on ayahuasca, as well as post-trip-recovery, so I feel it has some merit. I would not wish what I experienced upon anyone ever. The fact that OP is still texting and not primal panic is saying something. Anyone capable of surfing the nexus to read my post is of adequate constitution to absorb the message i feel.
The purpose of the sit is also pre-unconscious. You sit long before your trip gets strong. These actions are tied across time, and will have inertia to support you when you are unconscious. That is why i said “the sit sits you” because you are lost but the sit finds you in your unconsciousness. Teaching new trippers how to just sit, going both into an through a trip is worth a lot.
But this advice comes from my experience with extreme panic and terror on ayahuasca, as well as post-trip-recovery, so I feel it has some merit. I would not wish what I experienced upon anyone ever. The fact that OP is still texting and not primal panic is saying something. Anyone capable of surfing the nexus to read my post is of adequate constitution to absorb the message i feel.
The purpose of the sit is also pre-unconscious. You sit long before your trip gets strong. These actions are tied across time, and will have inertia to support you when you are unconscious. That is why i said “the sit sits you” because you are lost but the sit finds you in your unconsciousness. Teaching new trippers how to just sit, going both into an through a trip is worth a lot.
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Well, they were about a year ago, but IGWYM. Fortunately they got through it, seemingly unscathed:
Seems pretty anecdotal. Where did you find out about this - and what if you've no morning glory leaves to hand?
OTOH, I do have a fair amount of Ipomoea purpurea flower tincture to hand (although that's not one of the lysergamide-producing varieties) so there is some possibility of experimentation.
Anecdotal yeah, all i can say is it works miraculously for me and people i know. Try it. Also cancels all nausea.
Yesterday i ate 8g rue with zero nausea. Zero body load. Felt great! Normally 2-3g rue makes me nauseous and 8g would be total hell.
Then i thought, i wonder if i take some mimosa will it break me out of this morning glory cocoon? Indeed. 1.3g mimosa mostly took me into a trip altho it was still quite serene but it felt like it was overpowering the protection of morning glory and so i began feeling heavy rue effects (but never nausea, even tho i was fasting all day). I was having deep meditation and felt i could let go into nibbana but then i decided to see if eating a bit more morning glory leaf would bring rue rue intensity down. Indeed it did. Within 10-15 mins i was feeling quite functional and lovely after eating a leaf and smearing some leaf juice on my armpit.
Now today i feel quite a lot better than normal. More spiritual and free.
Morning glory lasts in my system for days.
I also tried it with 200mcg lsd. It cancelled mental effects almost completely but the body high remained. Great for yoga and enjoying the ocean. First time i did handstands in the ocean. So amazing. But i prefer it with ayahuasca as i get more of a brain healing effect that way.