swim had a very bad trip 2day that involved going to the ER

[Ice House]

at 9am SWIM took 200mg of THH at 10 after 9 SWIM ate 3.5 grams of shrooms. SWIM then walked outside and started doing some chores around the farm, collecting eggs, feeding the chickens, and cows. every thing started out like a normal beautiful mushroom experience.

about an hour and a half into it SWIM didnt feel well, SWIM didnt feel as though SWIM was under the influence of shrooms. SWIM didnt feel like he was tripping. SWIM started feeling IMPENDING DOOM. swim felt like swim was going to drop and die any moment. It was the most horrible feeling of swims life. swims wife didnt like what was happening to him either. We agreed to take a ride to the local fire station to get a blood pressure, swims concern having taken the thh was that some how he was having a hypertensive crisis. We got there and the paramedic took one look at me and decided to hook my up to a twelve leed she thought swim looked sick. swim is now feeling that he is going to expire any moment. At this point SWIM has no feeling of tripping his ass off, only feelings of imminent doom. The medic decided to take swim to the ER. There was some obvious questioning about what swim had ate, what medications swim took. Out of that conversation swim told them he had taken the thh as a mood enhancer. The medic gave swim 1mg of Ativan to calm him down. That wasnt enough! swim gets to the ER and shit was now way worse swim felt as though he were suffocating and that he was going to pass out and expire. I assume at this point swim is in the middle of a full blown anxiety attack that was either going lead to him dying or ? They gave swim another 2mgs of IV Ativan and that had no effect. Finally a doctor came in and asked swim what was going on and he told him swim took 200mg of thh and 3.5 grams of shrooms. Meanwhile they had swim hooked up to a 12 lead and 02 monitor and whatever else. They had started doing all this blood work to find out why this 44 year old heathy male thinks he's going to die. They gave swim another 1mg of Ativan to calm him down. Then the viuals and the shroom trip really started to kik in. SWIM thought he had died, swim could see himself pixelating and vanishing. SWIMS wife was there watch all this not sure what to think. SWIM left the ER 4 hours and 6mgs of Ativan later.

Swim has taken shrooms over a thousand times and never had anything like that happen, not even on heroic doses.
I need some help here putting some things back together here. If thats what psychedelics is going to do to swim from now on hes out.

SWIM just took thh, shrooms, and spice on Halloween. No problems at all.

The entire time at the ER swims BP heart rate and his heart were functioning within normal healty ranges. At no time was swim in any danger.

How do you over come that? How come swim dosent feel that way when He takes thh and spice?

This experience Really screwed things up for me. How does swim pick up the pieces and go back to what he was doing. Is this going to happen again?

any advice is greatly apreciated.

depression, deeeeeeep depression

 

[۩]

Ice, I am sorry to hear about your bad trip, bro!
Here are some of my thoughts.

First off, this is why I don't eat mushrooms anymore. They make me feel wretched and influence my psyche with totally bizarre opinions that I don't necessarily agree with. The impending doom was common in my trips.

Secondly, Harmalas are known to cause chest tightness. This can be REALLY scary when you're tripping...because it feels like you could stop breathing possibly...

that is not the case. no one has ever died from ayahuasca.

Your THH dose was pretty damn high for some mushrooms....
I would have taken 1/10th that!!!!!!!

Relax, eat well and rest up. You will be OK. Next time try a lot less THH!



If I found myself in that position, I would violently purged and drank a ton of yerba mate (for VASODILATION)...then proceeded to do the funky chicken ALL day....praying for sundown....

 

[Ice House]

thanks for the reply. I really loved where I was at as person before this happened.

this is a huge set back. I know I need some healing but I am afraid.

 

[۩]

man you have had a very traumatic experience. I have been there....I never went to the ER though I rode it out and prayed, even though I knew I was a goner...
It felt so toxic that it took me a long time to shake the feelings that happened to me that day.
Your neurochemistry is probably all hay wire. You just need to be, and everything will return back into place.

Don't worry, you haven't done any permanent damage. This is just temporary psychedelic trauma...we learn from our mistakes...

 

[jamie]

Yes sorry to hear about your experience..I have had a few similar experinces with mushrooms..usually cannabis instigates it though..

I have had spent hours pacing around in circles gasping for breath, shaking and on the verge of crying...not sure why this happened but when it does it is enough for me to want to swear off psychedelics..impending doom is a good discription..I once had to call my gf at the time to come to the beach at night to save my ass becasue I couldnt walk and make any sense of things from eating way too many mushrooms and was completely freaking out..horrible feeling..

Harmalas slow down the onset of tryptamines..so that could explain why you werent tripping at the beginning..

What did you eat or drink prior?..coffee? tea? chocolate?..anything stimulating that could be influenced by the THH?

The THH dose does seem very high for a mushroom combo and could possibly have been giving you real low blood pressure and/or low blood sugar...that would definatily go hand in hand with impending doom..I had hypoglycemia for a long time and when I smoked changa or cannabis without having something sugary I would get very negative anxiety like symptoms exactly like you explained here..

"That wasnt enough! SWIM gets to the ER and shit was now way worse SWIM felt as though he were suffocating and that he was going to pass out and expire."

You have my full sympathy here..I once had anxiety so bad from cannabis and thought I was dying and freaked out and actually blacked out..and I went to the doctors after and had full blood tests before I knew I was hypoglycemic..every time I get low blood sugar and take any psychoactive I get that feeling where no matter what i do I simply cannot get enough air..I feel dissorientated and anxios..

I have also heard from some that MAOI's and mushrooms are a very very bad mix...yet I have heard the complete opposite as well..maybe everyone is different and both are true.

All I can say is after I went through mushrooms trips like that the only thing that brought me back to entheogens was very small micro-doses to rebuild myconfidence and assure myself it wasn't bound to happen every time after..maybe small doses of smoked spice would be best becasue of the length..

Anyways..I wish you the best of luck my friend.

 

[Ice House]

I agree with you that shooms can and do turn on you sometimes. Had Swim not taken the thh there probably wouldnt have been any issues, I'm assuming. Is it possible that this sort of episode could happen with thh and dmt?

 

[69ron]

Mushrooms can be really scary on their own if the dose is high enough. SWIM once ate a super large dose of Psilocybe cubensis soup by mistake. It was estimated to contain about 250 mg of psilocybin.

The effects started as soon as he finished the soup. Within about 5 minutes he was higher than he had ever been in his life. It was extremely scary. There was a feeling of “pending doom” mostly because SWIM knew he had taken an extreme overdose.

Up until the point it peaked, SWIM feared he was going to die. He was pale, sweating, and very cold, and experiencing an extreme psychedelic state which cannot be easily explained. It was one of the most scary trips SWIM ever had.

The following day SWIM had broken blood vessels on his body from the anti-coagulant effect of large doses of psilocybin.

SWIM ate the mushroom soup not thinking it would do anything at all because a friend told him the mushrooms would be inactive after boiling them. Boy was he wrong.

SWIM experienced pretty much every psychedelic phenomenon there is in that trip, visions, spirit contact, extreme paranoia and panic, extreme time slowing, time skipping, time reversal, time splitting (time split up into many pieces and was experienced as separate planes of reality), and other really bazaar things that can’t easily be explained. It was scary up until the peak. After the peak he realized he wasn’t going to die and was then able to enjoy it. It seemed to take days to hit the peak.

These were mushrooms he grew himself and he knew the potency of them fresh, and would never had eaten that much had he known the soup would have been active. It was a clear overdose with scary physical side effects. The fact that he had broken blood vessels the next day was very disturbing.

But he’s alive and well today, with new found respect for what mushrooms can do. They can easily go far beyond anything LSD can do.

Be careful. Don’t push it. I think SWIM accidentally took many times more than even Terrence McKenna ever did. He survived but having broken blood vessels from too much psilocybin is a very worrisome thing.

 

[jamie]

^not sure about with DMT..BUT..soulman actually has some recent reports about THH he has been taking with mimosa and rue brews and really losing it as well..

 

[69ron]

I don't think it has anything to do with THH. Others have had a nice experience with that combination if the dose is right. Mushrooms + any MAOI can be a very intense experience.

It's normally not recommended to use an MAOI with mushrooms. Most people don't like it.

 

[Ice House]

Swim did drink a few cups of coffee before, and did take an Ambien the night before for sleep. other than that nothin to eat. the ER Doc did say swims Potassium was low and they gave him some. swim was told his blood sugar was high, by the medic who assessed swim. I dont know why it was hi.

 

[69ron]

If I was you, I would NOT mix MAOIs with mushrooms. Also the Ambian...hmmmm...I think you need to be more careful.

If you read most of the MAOI + mushroom reports, there are a lot of extreme bad trip reports.

Something in the mushrooms might be interacting badly with the MAOI, or the Ambian.

Did you grow the mushrooms yourself so that you know they are not adulterated?

 

[jamie]

the caffine and theobromine especially in the coffee would be potentiated by the THH..not sure how much theobromine is in coffee but I have had some negative overly stimulated feelings once when I took some cocoa along with a caapi tea..probably a mix of that along with so much THH potentiating the mushrooms greatly..3.5 grams for me is already a deep visionary dose..couldnt imagine what MAOI's would do ontop of that..

 

[69ron]

SWIM has had very strong coffee with up to 300 mg of THH orally and didn't notice much from the coffee. I doubt the coffee is the problem. The Ambien is more likely a problem than the coffee.

At 350 mg of THH orally, coffee would probably not be a good idea though. That’s a whopping dose of THH and very psychedelic on its own, and very stimulating.

 

[Ice House]

swim grew the psilocye cyanescens himself. The shrooms are authentic and high quality, I agree with you 69ron.

MAOIs and shrooms have a potential. The other drug is Ambien its a perscription sleepaid but swim took that the nite before.

lessons learned

 

[Ice House]

what now? not that swim needs to voyage again soon. How should swim approach this so he doesnt go down that path again.

 

[69ron]

swim grew the psilocye cyanescens himself. The shrooms are authentic and high quality, I agree with you 69ron.

MAOIs and shrooms have a potential. The other drug is Ambien its a perscription sleepaid but swim took that the nite before.

lessons learned

Holy cow...3.5 grams of Psilocybe cyanescens with an MAOI! I thought we were talking about Psilocybe cubensis. You've got guts, that's for sure.

Psilocybe cyanescens can be very strong on their own. SWIM used to grow them as well as Psilocybe cubensis, and also Psilocybe azurescens a few times.

Psilocybe cyanescens is one of the nicest mushroom experiences there is. Such a blissful experience. It's hard to imagine a bad trip with that mushroom, but when combined with an MAOI, that's a whole different story.

SWIM has NEVER taken an MAOI with mushrooms. He's heard so many bad stories about the combination. Usually lots of anxiety occurs, endless pacing, etc.

Once he took yohimbe with Psilocybe cubensis. What an awful experience that was. It was full of paranoia, anxiety, etc.

I think harmaline would go better with mushrooms than THH would. Harmaline is a sedative MAOI, and is likely to help calm the trip a little. But even then, I don't think SWIM will ever try that. With all the horror stories of MAOIs and mushrooms, SWIM is going to skip that group of combinations.

 

[۩]

what now? not that swim needs to voyage again soon. How should swim approach this so he doesnt go down that path again.

well when things like this would happen to me
I would take time to reflect on them
usually a week or two is sufficient for everything to return to "normal"
I ask my selves and the "axis" so to speak what I should do and why
and there are always reasons and always allies-
you just have to consult He Who Knows Best...

I would start low. For example,
20mg THH + 1 mushroom would have blown my mind.

 

[Virola78]

3.5 gram of P.cyanescens is extreme. Especially this mushroom can show big variations in total psilocin content, even between mushrooms growing next to each other in the same flush. Variations from 0.8% to 2.5% total psilocin content (w/w, dry mushrooms) have been measured. Sometimes it is nearly all psilocin, sometimes it is nearly all psilocybin, sometimes it is half-half. Now picture the worst case scenario, like 3.5 grams of very potent cyanenscens containing mostly psilocin, and then put also an enhancer into the equation...

I personally like the thrill of the darkside of mushrooms. It resets my mind in a refreshing way.
But I sure as hell would not like to go bad in that domain.

Perhaps take some rest from it. Do some reflections. Maybe this is what was spelled out for you by the mushrooms. And perhaps start growing some potent strain of cubensis, to lower the chance of unpleasant suprise.

 

[ohayoco]

A dreamer experienced 'doom' just from cubensis once before. It passed after 10 minutes while his friend talked him through it, but still it put him off shrooms forever.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience, and I hope you recover from the shock soon. Look for the silver lining, what has this taught you? That should help you to integrate the experience and get something positive out of it.

I wish ER people knew how many more times trips were fulfilling and helpful, because they must get a skewed view of psychedelics. If I were in your position, I would take a big basket of organic chocolate to the ER and give it in with an apology and a thank you note, saying that I had tripped many times and always had a rewarding and helpful experience which has helped me become a nicer person etc, and that I was embarrassed by the freakout and apologetic for taking up their time. That would be a nice thing to do for all involved

 

[Aegle]

Ice House Shaman

I am really sorry that you experienced such an intense journey with mushrooms, remember everything happens for a reason. Take it easy for a while and refrain from having entheogens for some time to come is my advice just until you fully recover from the experience that you have had.

Its never easy experiencing ego death and the transition into nothingness, be gentle with yourself and take and learn as much from this journey as you can. Its best to try and find some positivity and healing in difficult journeys, I personally find its the best way to grow in your entheogen journey.


Much Peace and Understanding