Syrian Rue tea and a couple vape puffs

[iykyk]

I'm new to Rue.

If I boil 1g of seeds in 0.5l of water. Drink it. Then wait an hour to hit the DMT vape.

Is it as simple as that?

And careful with one's diet before drinking the tea?

Or should I try just drinking Rue tea on it's own (1g of seeds a cuppa?) a few times to get familiar with it, build relationship before even thinking of hitting vape?

Thank you

 

[TransistorBass]

It really can be as simple as that, I make a quick and dirty Tea with 1g ground seed in a shot glass with boiling water poured on.
*Ensure you aren't on any medication that Syrian Rue will interact badly with*

You could easily experiment with 0.5g-1g Teas to get the feel for it a few times, you'll probably find you get a little mood lift, maybe a slightly warm head but other than that its not something that will stop you doing day to day things or working at those levels.

When you hit the DMT vape afterwards you may feel a little woozy, just be sure to sit or lay nice and still and you'll be all good.

When you feel more adventurous, try extracting the harmalas from the seeds - Wiki - Super-Easy No-Filter Harmalas Tek *Read down to the 'cliff notes' for the short version once you've had a good read through.
Once extracted, you can sublingual (Hold in the mouth for 10mins) before swallowing, I started with 40mg Extracted harmalas, for a generally nice session I'd have 60mg, I'm currently experimenting with 100+mg (Does cause a bit of Nausea in me) which could sit you on your arse once the Vape hits. Again sit / lay still and you will be fine the woozy feeling won't last long.

And........... Welcome, Happy Travels.

 

[TransistorBass]

Oh, it doesn't really matter at 1g what you've eaten before, have a couple of dry runs with just the Syrian Rue Tea, try 0.5g, maybe re-dose the 0.5g an hour later, try the full 1g.

If you plan on going heavier, I've been planning my sessions so that I've only had a light meal beforehand just in case.

 

[JosBoaz]

I heard that 3g was the minimum amount of harmala that is required to get MAOI effect. I suppose you could begin with 1g and see how that goes. Harmala affects everybody differently. I remember early on that I took around 8g of semi-crushed seeds, poured hot water on it, and drank it when it cooled down. I had given it to a few other people without any problem. Then I gave the same amount to somebody else, and it was way too strong, and they had a very, very, very bad experience.

Yes, you can take harmala for the first time and then, after a few hours (or after 55min) take a hit of DMT, or you could test drive it first a few times. Maybe upping the dose a bit too while you add it. 1- 3 g might give a slight alteration of consciousness, larger doses actually can make you 'high'. Always start low, though.

@harmala_afficianado and @Ruebacca chew and eat raw seeds and get decent effects from it,
@northape and @Transform make brews from it.

Do not drink all for the first few times. Just take a sip and place the phone on 1.5h timer to see the effect.
Northape recipe
Transform recipe

This is the method that I use nowadays, which is a nice method to remove the nasty taste of harmala while, at the same time. Keeping the full spectrum of the plant intact. Similar to eating raw seeds or making teas or straight-up cooking harmala (brews). I see on this forum there is a big emphasis on extracting the isolated alkaloids of harmala (harmaline & harmine) and acting that is the best thing since sliced bread. But actually the overall effect and experience of the harmala is lackluster. I suppose you try many different extraction methodologies and find out for yourself what you prefer.
The Tao of Harmala Resin Extraction

Another good read about harmala itself.
Do not follow one of the member dosage recommendations without testing lower dosages first.
The spirit of Syrian Rue ... collected experiences

 

[Voidmatrix]

heard that 3g was the minimum

This is one of those rules similar to "take your DMT in three hit." It's really whatever gets you there. For me, it's around 2g.

Op, if you're bot going to explore the harmalas alone first, at least keep a trashcan nearby. You may find yourself needing to purge. Working with harmalas alone can help you learn to taper and attenuate the nausea. If possible, get your hands on some pure harmine. Very friendly and a wonderful harmala introduction (rue will have a larger profile including harmine).

Is everyone waiting an hour? I only wait 30 minutes, if that. I do metabolize fast though.

One love

 

[JosBoaz]

This is one of those rules similar to "take your DMT in three hit." It's really whatever gets you there. For me, it's around 2g.

Everywhere I look, everyone is proclaiming that 3g is the amount that needs to be taken to get MAOI. If OP gets there with 1g cool, if you take 2g even better. Point being, I didn't want OP to stay put on 1g and perhaps not get the effect they were looking for. As for me, 1-2-3g ranges are rather weak and do not bring forth the effects I'm looking for in harmala. But on the flip side, I do not use DMT anymore, so it's a different situation for me anyway. Take care, my friend.

 

[Voidmatrix]

No, I get it bro. Since OP is just starting out, I think it's safe to assume that if all goes well they'll increase the dose. I would hope they wouldn't just stay at 1g .

One love

 

[JosBoaz]

get your hands on some pure harmine.

I want to take the opportunity to retract my earlier statement about the fact that isolated alkaloids are basically overrated. It's true that further separation between harmine/harmaline can have some merits.

I think I'm just a bit biased against pure harmalas (isolated harmala alkaloids), it took me a week to create them, and after 1.5 weeks of daily use, it was gone. Looking at pictures of the alkaloids, I imagined this would be extremely powerful/special or whatever label.
My normal dose was around 500mg and once I had taken 1 g I believe.
[do not replicate the dosage listed here, unless you know what you are doing]
The effects were lackluster compared to very strong brews of harmala.
Also, I feel it uses a lot of resources to create them, given the amount of seeds used for this extraction. Should have lasted longer when taken in raw form.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

If you don't have a problem with the taste, and your looking for the most complete rue experience, i would recommend chewing the seeds for 15-30 mins and swallowing with water.

If you are not on any medications, and your health is good, start with 3g, or 4g if your brave and looking for a powerful experience that could potentially make you vomit, but don't take 4g with DMT for the first time.

if you have a coffee grinder you can powder up the seeds and just swallow with water, but there are some minor compounds that get lost that way, but they are not that relevant for most people.

Or you can just boil the seeds on minimum heat for 30 mins, all work just fine, but for me personally the most complete experience is chewing the seeds, then swallowing the powder, then tea.

A good thing you could do is take the rue alone for a few days, and you will become more sensitive to the effects, and the side effects will be less, ime psychedelics work the best with rue taken daily.

 

[TransistorBass]

My suggestions were all about start low and go slow as they are saying they are 'new to rue'.

For me 0.5g was enough to start seeing waves in the effects when vaping DMT, 1g seeds was roughly the same, giving a little more time to pre-load on vape hits before getting further than expected on a bigger hit. No waves in DMT alone.

 

[JosBoaz]

For me 0.5g was enough to start seeing waves in the effects when vaping DMT, 1g seeds was roughly the same, giving a little more time to pre-load on vape hits before getting further than expected on a bigger hit. No waves in DMT alone.

Could you elaborate on the description of "waves"?

 

[TransistorBass]

Peaks and troughs in the effects of DMT. I do not get these waves with DMT alone.

 

[JosBoaz]

Peaks and troughs in the effects of DMT. I do not get these waves with DMT alone.

Ah yes, mushroom waves ok, I was thinking of specific visuals and trying to compare it with my own experiences.

 

[TransistorBass]

It’s like bobbing up and down on the sea, for me it can be waves of fractal like sparkles, effects rise and effects fall. Rather nice
I felt my first Rue experiments to bring a Mushroom feel to it too.

 

[iykyk]

amazing, thank you everyone that responded, I am grateful and cleared a lot up.
I am surprised you can just chew the seeds, 3g of seeds is about half a mouth full? (Not that I will measure it like this!!)

It's bit off topic, but, is 'fasting' a good practice before a trip? Either 24hr/48hr?

 

[JosBoaz]

It's bit off topic, but, is 'fasting' a good practice before a trip? Either 24hr/48hr?

I actually think this is still on the topic. No, fasting is not necessary for harmala, DMT, or their combo. Yes, it could have an effect on the overall experience. For example, if you "starve" yourself and take harmala, your body will be eager to consume it, and because you do not have any kind of "buffer," there is a much higher chance of getting nausea. Check the video: "harmala/Syrian rue dose for two" on YT; the guy was sick as a dog.

I have taken harmala for 14 years now, much higher doses than 1–3 g, and never fasted before. However, I did do 2-day fasts while taking harmala, but it was not a dedicated fast because of harmala. When considering fasting, it could be an interesting idea to first look into a keto diet, which will take around 3–14 days. This will make fasting much easier than without.

For spiritually oriented practices, combining fasting with entheogens can be applicable.

 

[Mimosaquero]

rue doesnt need dietry restrictions just dont be on any pharma meds like SSRIs. consume on empty stomach and id advise to not do the tea because its horrible and you never get used to it. either extract the harmala's or crush the seeds and put them in caps and wait 45mins-1 hour.

 

[iykyk]

rue doesnt need dietry restrictions just dont be on any pharma meds like SSRIs. consume on empty stomach and id advise to not do the tea because its horrible and you never get used to it. either extract the harmala's or crush the seeds and put them in caps and wait 45mins-1 hour.

Hah, thanks for warning me against the tea. I drop it in a rizla if it's all the same then!

 

[JosBoaz]

d advise to not do the tea because its horrible and you never get used to it. either extract the harmala's or crush the seeds and put them in caps and wait 45mins-1 hour.

If you are referring to the taste, then there are options to lessen it, such as lemon balm, cacao powder, or chocolate milk powder. @Voidmatrix uses honey. This is the current form I take harmala, which is quite effective for taste management.
The Tao of Harmala Resin Extraction

 

[iykyk]

I actually think this is still on the topic. No, fasting is not necessary for harmala, DMT, or their combo. Yes, it could have an effect on the overall experience. For example, if you "starve" yourself and take harmala, your body will be eager to consume it, and because you do not have any kind of "buffer," there is a much higher chance of getting nausea. Check the video: "harmala/Syrian rue dose for two" on YT; the guy was sick as a dog.

I have taken harmala for 14 years now, much higher doses than 1–3 g, and never fasted before. However, I did do 2-day fasts while taking harmala, but it was not a dedicated fast because of harmala. When considering fasting, it could be an interesting idea to first look into a keto diet, which will take around 3–14 days. This will make fasting much easier than without.

For spiritually oriented practices, combining fasting with entheogens can be applicable.

Yes, I've always wondered about fasting from a spiritual aspect.

I had a shroom trip last month, 3 grams in gummie form, all in one go. But my stomach was so empty.

It was the strongest shroom/acid trip I ever experienced... everything plant/stone/wood related in my house came alive like a David Cronenberg body horror film, I felt the mercy of some form of plant spirit and I swear to god I purged a silver green bottle fly with red eyes that quickly escaped/flew out my house when it hit the floor... real stuff man. I couldn't believe it. Got more than I bargained for.