Taking a hit or two and from a trusted product and going to a totally unwanted place?

[IsUCHemical?]

hi, this is my first day joining this community and first I would like to say I am sorry if I post this in the wrong category and 2nd I would like to say that I have vaped DMT for at least 3 years now and smoked over a hundred carts and it as become my drug of choice for many a reason. (im saying this not to brag but to serve my questioning.)
but what brought me here today is to ask anyone with knowledge if they to have ever experienced taking a standard dose and going straight into somewhat hostile territory?

I mean I cant just go on google and ask "Did you ever take DMT and it took you someplace weird?" ... I mean of course it did.
but to what I am used to things are orderly / symmetrical + for some reason DMT makes me want to move around as I listen to music etc..
but today and a few other spaced trips prior to this one I just blasted of to a place where colors looked as they were rotting and spilling over each other
and no desire to move or continue this trip was present. I just removed my headphones and sat there as I watched these dark colors slowly stop dripping from my furniture...

So does anyone have any Idea what might cause that? Did I ruin my vape cart?
as I am afraid (more than usual) to go and blast of again.
and DMT as been a true deliverance for me and a revelation to the infinite beauty of the universe

 

[Tripolation]

Two sides to a coin I suppose. Flip it every time you blast off.

Beauty and something that maybe is not so beautiful. Weird and trippy and then distorted and horrific.

Lots of things to take in to consideration when trying to figure out why you had a dark hued trip. Could need integration or a break, maybe your cart was contaminated (advise: extract yourself), perhaps sometimes beautiful things get destroyed and decay as part of a process. Can't be rainbows and sunshine all the time. I think it is par for the course over time, you are much more likely to get a dark trip and/or hyperslap if you engage with DMT regularly. DMT can be quite humbling.

 

[IceKoldpp]

for sure. my first 50 or so were sheer DMT bliss. all the typical characteristics that everyone describes of a good DMT experience. then suddenly one evening out of nowhere without changing a single thing from my normal process of administration/preperation i had the most humbling and frankly existentially terrifying experience of my life. literally just took my normal dose in my regular set and setting and boom. hyperslap activated.

took a week or so to work up the nerve and integrate the experience the best i could and when i went back in everything was just fine. for probably around another couple dozen trips or so. then boom. one night back to the same exact space as the last scary one. it's not ideal but i've just come to accept it that just like @Tripolation said, the more you engage, the higher the chance you'll have a negative experience. just numbers. and honestly it sounds like you've been very fortunate so far to have that number of trips under your belt without a fullon Hyperslap experience yet and rather just some icky vibe type trips. to second another sentiment from tripolation, "DMT can be quite humbling."

as far as the cause of these bad trips goes, no idea.. I've read lots of mixed opinions when i went searching after my first Hyperslap. some think it's a type of punishment for maybe not respecting the molecule in some way (frivelous/non intention based use perhaps) or not taking time to integrate what was shown to you in previous trips possibly.. who knows.. i almost think it's just a luck of the draw. DMT seems to transport us somewhere else and i almost feel it's totally random where we end up sometimes. so occasionally the destination is not somewhere we want to be. what i doubt though is that something you did to your vape cart had some bearing on the nature of your trip.

one thing i would suggest, though i know it's easier said than done, is try your best not to let the recent "bad" trips take up up too much rent free space in your head/subconcious bc what i experienced after my second one was that i was carrying that bit of doubt or fear into the several subsequent trips and it definitely affected them in different ways. mostly not by inducing more bad trips but rather preventing any type of trip at all. like i would get really nervous as i would be taking my first hit and hit it half heartedly with worry that it was all about to go wrong again and so i'd barely reach the waiting room. and the vibes would just be off and weird (not good weird though lol). and also we all know how much our "intention" and state of mind (i think that's what everyone refers to as "set") can steer our experience so if your sitting there taking your big pull of vapor thinking "please don't let this one be like that bad one" it's like your pointing your compass right at that bad one again. at least for me. honestly i think the best way to handle it is to take some time away from hyperspace (as much as that can suck) and let that bit of trauma wear off/integrate. and you'll know when it's time to go back in.



just for some added context, after my first 3-4 trips or so i began doing my own extractions and would also recommend extracting yourself to avoid any possible contaminations or just qc issues in general. it's not hard and if you engage regularly there's no good reason not to imo.

i wrote a trip report of my first really scary one if your interested:

A Pale Comparison. My First Hyperslap.

This has shaped up to be a long one so thank you for giving it a read and please if anyone has had a similar experience or any type of insight into it's meaning PLEASE share it. It's been 2 days since and I'm still finding myself questioning whether i'm still alive or at least in my original...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

and here's a thread someone started to try to get a grasp on the ratio of "good" vs "bad" trips. i find it useful just seeing roughly how often other regular users have not so good experiences and possible ways to navigate them when they inevitably do occur:

DMT Bad trips Ratio

i request anyone with dmt experience to write here his/her bad trips frequency in ratio to all trips he/she ever had. i guess this topic can be so helpful. just type number of bad trips you got and the number of all trips you ever had with DMT. for example: 2 bad trips from 4 trips. you are free...

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[Voidmatrix]

It's funny. I can say it simply. At some point it gets "real."

After a while, it starts getting weirder, for lack of better words.

This is where relationship comes in.

Your apprehension is heard, felt, and empathized with.

One love

 

[IsUCHemical?]

Two sides to a coin I suppose. Flip it every time you blast off.

Beauty and something that maybe is not so beautiful. Weird and trippy and then distorted and horrific.

Lots of things to take in to consideration when trying to figure out why you had a dark hued trip. Could need integration or a break, maybe your cart was contaminated (advise: extract yourself), perhaps sometimes beautiful things get destroyed and decay as part of a process. Can't be rainbows and sunshine all the time. I think it is par for the course over time, you are much more likely to get a dark trip and/or hyperslap if you engage with DMT regularly. DMT can be quite humbling.

Yea I guess that flipping of a coin is part of the process and perhaps a part of what makes it so interesting.

as for the contamination part I think it might be possible (but as of yet I dont know what may contaminate a cart but Im curious nough to look into it.)
But I honnestly doubt it since everytime I decide im done with DMT tripping I take it off the battery and take all precautions to store it as best as possible.
I guess I'll know tomorrow when I go at it again out of curiosity.

but Im thinking since I had spent the night before gradually making tests since these carts I received were the first I ever got with a ceramic coil and reading advices on recommended voltage here and there got me to sometimes take a hit that would taste like the liquid was burning (wich it probably was) and trip a little but not to the degree I was hoping... until my last try that was BOOM perfect and worth every penny imo.

but maybe the slight burning had and effect on the cart?

But yeah I think learning to extract is something that I should learn as I wish DMT to be a part of my life ,in moderation of course.

But yeah I agree, I believe DMT is totally humbling both for the good and bad hits. No other drug as ever left me with such a feeling of awe.
To this day after all it made me witness I think DMT is incredible.

 

[IsUCHemical?]

for sure. my first 50 or so were sheer DMT bliss. all the typical characteristics that everyone describes of a good DMT experience. then suddenly one evening out of nowhere without changing a single thing from my normal process of administration/preperation i had the most humbling and frankly existentially terrifying experience of my life. literally just took my normal dose in my regular set and setting and boom. hyperslap activated.

took a week or so to work up the nerve and integrate the experience the best i could and when i went back in everything was just fine. for probably around another couple dozen trips or so. then boom. one night back to the same exact space as the last scary one. it's not ideal but i've just come to accept it that just like @Tripolation said, the more you engage, the higher the chance you'll have a negative experience. just numbers. and honestly it sounds like you've been very fortunate so far to have that number of trips under your belt without a fullon Hyperslap experience yet and rather just some icky vibe type trips. to second another sentiment from tripolation, "DMT can be quite humbling."

as far as the cause of these bad trips goes, no idea.. I've read lots of mixed opinions when i went searching after my first Hyperslap. some think it's a type of punishment for maybe not respecting the molecule in some way (frivelous/non intention based use perhaps) or not taking time to integrate what was shown to you in previous trips possibly.. who knows.. i almost think it's just a luck of the draw. DMT seems to transport us somewhere else and i almost feel it's totally random where we end up sometimes. so occasionally the destination is not somewhere we want to be. what i doubt though is that something you did to your vape cart had some bearing on the nature of your trip.

one thing i would suggest, though i know it's easier said than done, is try your best not to let the recent "bad" trips take up up too much rent free space in your head/subconcious bc what i experienced after my second one was that i was carrying that bit of doubt or fear into the several subsequent trips and it definitely affected them in different ways. mostly not by inducing more bad trips but rather preventing any type of trip at all. like i would get really nervous as i would be taking my first hit and hit it half heartedly with worry that it was all about to go wrong again and so i'd barely reach the waiting room. and the vibes would just be off and weird (not good weird though lol). and also we all know how much our "intention" and state of mind (i think that's what everyone refers to as "set") can steer our experience so if your sitting there taking your big pull of vapor thinking "please don't let this one be like that bad one" it's like your pointing your compass right at that bad one again. at least for me. honestly i think the best way to handle it is to take some time away from hyperspace (as much as that can suck) and let that bit of trauma wear off/integrate. and you'll know when it's time to go back in.



just for some added context, after my first 3-4 trips or so i began doing my own extractions and would also recommend extracting yourself to avoid any possible contaminations or just qc issues in general. it's not hard and if you engage regularly there's no good reason not to imo.

i wrote a trip report of my first really scary one if your interested:

A Pale Comparison. My First Hyperslap.

This has shaped up to be a long one so thank you for giving it a read and please if anyone has had a similar experience or any type of insight into it's meaning PLEASE share it. It's been 2 days since and I'm still finding myself questioning whether i'm still alive or at least in my original...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

and here's a thread someone started to try to get a grasp on the ratio of "good" vs "bad" trips. i find it useful just seeing roughly how often other regular users have not so good experiences and possible ways to navigate them when they inevitably do occur:

DMT Bad trips Ratio

i request anyone with dmt experience to write here his/her bad trips frequency in ratio to all trips he/she ever had. i guess this topic can be so helpful. just type number of bad trips you got and the number of all trips you ever had with DMT. for example: 2 bad trips from 4 trips. you are free...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

I'm kind of glad to hear that such a thing happens to regular users from time to time and that it seems to not repeat itself consecutively in general.

It's funny because today is the first time I hear the term "Hyperslap" lol. But I feel it's a good way to put it in words haha.
Guaranteed I will be spending some time looking into this phenomenon.

For me personally, right now, I think its a luck of a draw as you said, but i also think DMT and to me also LSD should be treated with the utmost respect.
as I often think of myself undeserving of the experiences they have brought me... But I still go for it because why not I feel the good far outweights the bad.

And finally yeah, going back to it as if nothing happened is going to be a challenge. I think mindset as a crucial role on a trip, and everytime I hit the vape Im usually anxious and taking that first drag doesn't help at all. idk I had stopped taking benzos beforehand as I had heard it would reduce DMT effectiveness but Im thinking a
low does on my next trip might be a good Idea?

Anyway thanks for taking the time to share your opinion man and both links you posted look pretty interesting i'll definitely be checking them.

 

[Transform]

idk I had stopped taking benzos beforehand as I had heard it would reduce DMT effectiveness but Im thinking a
low does on my next trip might be a good Idea?

This is where - if you're not using any other, incompatible medications - we suggest you take a look at what harmalas might have to offer.

There are a few anti-anxiety herbs, such as lemon balm or skullcap, that you may wish to explore as alternatives to benzo's.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Mullein, chamomile, skullcap, cbn, cbg, essential oils, meditation, etc will likely be a better bet and healthier overall.

At the end of the day, particular of the experience is being able to steel oneself. Having no nerves beforehand is similar to getting tattooed under anesthesia.

One love

 

[DrFog]

for sure. my first 50 or so were sheer DMT bliss. all the typical characteristics that everyone describes of a good DMT experience. then suddenly one evening out of nowhere without changing a single thing from my normal process of administration/preperation i had the most humbling and frankly existentially terrifying experience of my life. literally just took my normal dose in my regular set and setting and boom. hyperslap activated.

took a week or so to work up the nerve and integrate the experience the best i could and when i went back in everything was just fine. for probably around another couple dozen trips or so. then boom. one night back to the same exact space as the last scary one. it's not ideal but i've just come to accept it that just like @Tripolation said, the more you engage, the higher the chance you'll have a negative experience. just numbers. and honestly it sounds like you've been very fortunate so far to have that number of trips under your belt without a fullon Hyperslap experience yet and rather just some icky vibe type trips. to second another sentiment from tripolation, "DMT can be quite humbling."

as far as the cause of these bad trips goes, no idea.. I've read lots of mixed opinions when i went searching after my first Hyperslap. some think it's a type of punishment for maybe not respecting the molecule in some way (frivelous/non intention based use perhaps) or not taking time to integrate what was shown to you in previous trips possibly.. who knows.. i almost think it's just a luck of the draw. DMT seems to transport us somewhere else and i almost feel it's totally random where we end up sometimes. so occasionally the destination is not somewhere we want to be. what i doubt though is that something you did to your vape cart had some bearing on the nature of your trip.

one thing i would suggest, though i know it's easier said than done, is try your best not to let the recent "bad" trips take up up too much rent free space in your head/subconcious bc what i experienced after my second one was that i was carrying that bit of doubt or fear into the several subsequent trips and it definitely affected them in different ways. mostly not by inducing more bad trips but rather preventing any type of trip at all. like i would get really nervous as i would be taking my first hit and hit it half heartedly with worry that it was all about to go wrong again and so i'd barely reach the waiting room. and the vibes would just be off and weird (not good weird though lol). and also we all know how much our "intention" and state of mind (i think that's what everyone refers to as "set") can steer our experience so if your sitting there taking your big pull of vapor thinking "please don't let this one be like that bad one" it's like your pointing your compass right at that bad one again. at least for me. honestly i think the best way to handle it is to take some time away from hyperspace (as much as that can suck) and let that bit of trauma wear off/integrate. and you'll know when it's time to go back in.



just for some added context, after my first 3-4 trips or so i began doing my own extractions and would also recommend extracting yourself to avoid any possible contaminations or just qc issues in general. it's not hard and if you engage regularly there's no good reason not to imo.

i wrote a trip report of my first really scary one if your interested:

A Pale Comparison. My First Hyperslap.

This has shaped up to be a long one so thank you for giving it a read and please if anyone has had a similar experience or any type of insight into it's meaning PLEASE share it. It's been 2 days since and I'm still finding myself questioning whether i'm still alive or at least in my original...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

and here's a thread someone started to try to get a grasp on the ratio of "good" vs "bad" trips. i find it useful just seeing roughly how often other regular users have not so good experiences and possible ways to navigate them when they inevitably do occur:

DMT Bad trips Ratio

i request anyone with dmt experience to write here his/her bad trips frequency in ratio to all trips he/she ever had. i guess this topic can be so helpful. just type number of bad trips you got and the number of all trips you ever had with DMT. for example: 2 bad trips from 4 trips. you are free...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

150 rides, 0 bad. I've had some "sour" ones but nothing really frightening.

 

[IceKoldpp]

150 rides, 0 bad. I've had some "sour" ones but nothing really frightening.

that's awesome! wish i could say the same. in the end both of the frightening ones actually ended up being the most impactful for me as far as direct application to my day to day so they definitely had a reason behind them. but it was only after alot of integration and reflection (and a fair bit of time) that the good from them started to reveal itself.

 

[IsUCHemical?]

This is where - if you're not using any other, incompatible medications - we suggest you take a look at what harmalas might have to offer.

There are a few anti-anxiety herbs, such as lemon balm or skullcap, that you may wish to explore as alternatives to benzo's.

I will look it into, but to clear the air I do not take anti-depressants, non at all.
But I gotta say on 99% of my DMT trips tough I am also intoxicated by Speed and
Alcohol (sometimes LSD, Ket, MDMA but never to a degree that I feel adicted..

 

[premeditated]

Mullein, chamomile, skullcap, cbn, cbg, essential oils, meditation, etc will likely be a better bet and healthier overall.

At the end of the day, particular of the experience is being able to steel oneself. Having no nerves beforehand is similar to getting tattooed under anesthesia.

One love

Have you tried the herbs for pre flight anxiety?

 

[Transform]

I will look it into, but to clear the air I do not take anti-depressants, non at all.
But I gotta say on 99% of my DMT trips tough I am also intoxicated by Speed and
Alcohol (sometimes LSD, Ket, MDMA but never to a degree that I feel adicted..

Now there's a relevant point of information if ever we saw one
How might this apply, in specific detail, to the experience that prompted you to post this thread?

(And don't worry about feeling judged - many of us here have struggled with our usage of more damaging substances over the years, as you may have gathered.)

 

[Voidmatrix]

Have you tried the herbs for pre flight anxiety?

I have run the gamut!

One love

 

[premeditated]

I have run the gamut!

One love

Ima try the skullcap and see if it can calm my nerves

 

[Transform]

Ima try the skullcap and see if it can calm my nerves

Pairs nicely with a bit of lavender, ime.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Ima try the skullcap and see if it can calm my nerves

If you're anything like me, you'll learn to just steel yourself more and more. I don't take anything anymore. I just have a process that helps me attune for preparation for the experience.

One love

 

[IceKoldpp]

If you're anything like me, you'll learn to just steel yourself more and more. I don't take anything anymore. I just have a process that helps me attune for preparation for the experience.

One love

if you'd rather not i understand or if you've shared this elsewhere i won't trouble you to go through it here. but if you are able, would you be open to sharing your preperation process? i've been struggling a bit with these pre flight issues and would love any advice

 

[Voidmatrix]

if you'd rather not i understand or if you've shared this elsewhere i won't trouble you to go through it here. but if you are able, would you be open to sharing your preperation process? i've been struggling a bit with these pre flight issues and would love any advice

A few notes: the "process"/"processes" that follow are part of a long road. My elaboration may help shorten it. Bear in mind as I explain I have not been in breakthrough territory in a while, but I think what I do and have done can still be helpful.

DMT scares the shit outta me. I've seen some shit, it's powerful, and I don't settle on any sort of explanation in order to assuage my confusion and the mystery of DMT. WE DON'T KNOW, and I'm brutally honest with myself about that. I really do feel that having certain unverified beliefs about the space (so most beliefs about the space) provides a certain psychological safety blanket. This is how I go in raw.

So where do we go next with all this? You keep striving despite how you feel. That means learning not to judge yourself when you pick up the pipe/device and your hand begins shaking.

This is work. This is relationship. Patience is key. I've been on this part of my journey for over five years.

One powerful concept that I've aligned with, not picking it up from anywhere in particular, but having it dawn on me, is to actively attune to the space, process, and experience. This can look like a lot of things, but what can be seen from without is merely a symbol for the augmentation occurring within. Deep breathing, tuning all else out, centering, balancing, somatically checking in, acknowledgment with acceptance, witnessing with acceptance, are all tools for this unique tool box.

Naturally, you'll find the specific thoughts, acts and practices that work for you, but they'll all generate from your framing of this experience. I go in feeling it's something sacred, not knowing what I'll get, but being aware of the alignment of choice with this medicine/experience/hyperspace. There are even small acts that I can do if it's an impulse experience, such as repeating "commit, surrender, and trust,"typically saying trust to myself while taking the hit.

I'm aware that some of my response is a trauma response from having gone deep my first few attempts. Never had a honeymoon period, shit got real immediately. 10mg isn't scary, but I respond like it's a breakthrough dose regardless. So tap into what the nerves signify for you and really be with that. Sometimes be with it as though you're getting ready to journey, and then just don't journey.

Finally, just lower the dose. It becomes exposure therapy at this point.

Let me know if you'd like me to elaborate or go into specifics.

One love

 

[IceKoldpp]

There are even small acts that I can do if it's an impulse experience, such as repeating "commit, surrender, and trust,"typically saying trust to myself while taking the hit.

i have a similar mantra that i've come to repeat a few times right before as well. i take some intentional breaths saying to myself as i exhale "exhale doubt, fear and negativity" and as i inhale, "breathe in love, gratitude and humility" and similar to your "trust" mantra upon inhale i say "thank you" while taking the hit. these practices have kindof evolved over time but now after my few rough experiences i almost feel these statements are me negotiating with the spice to please be nice to me. i liken it to approaching a friends pet german shephard who's usually a kind and lovable dog but one time you accidentally moved to quickly around him and he bit you pretty good. so now you operate a bit differently around them and always approach hands out, moving slowly, and showing respect.

the main difference being that with the friends pet i knew what i did wrong and can adjust my behavior going forward. but with the spice i never felt i did anything to trigger being bit (at least as far i can tell) so i found myself almost feeling kindof hurt and betrayed so i say these mantras less to myself to center and prepare but more to the spice to say like "see, i'm showing you gratitude and treating this ceremony with respect so please don't hurt me"..

I'm aware that some of my response is a trauma response from having gone deep my first few attempts. Never had a honeymoon period, shit got real immediately. 10mg isn't scary, but I respond like it's a breakthrough dose regardless.

i can very much relate to this. i had very little experience with psychedelics before my journey with DMT in the last 6 mos (literally only 2 trips on mushrooms ab a decade apart) yet i jumped in like an idiot with 30mg and went for a full bt on my first attempt. it was extremely intense and i had no idea how shocking and scary the complete loss of one's ego could be and i spent that first experience resisting very intensely as my identity was being ripped away from me. i wouldn't say it was bad, just shocking. and really showed me how much i had underestimated the weirdness and sheer ontological shock that DMT was capable of producing.

yet somehow it never even crossed my mind to lower the dose.. maybe that's what i should be doing for awhile to reset my relationship with it.