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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) sublingually

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I'm sure it was the combination.

THH causes less mental effects than harmine and harmline.

THH is also the weakest MAOI (RIMA actually) of the bunch.

It’s like this in terms of causing confusion:

Harmaline > Harmine > THH

This also correlates with their MAOI strength:

Harmaline > Harmine > THH

Here are the differences SWIM has noticed between all of them taken at 100 mg orally (expressed as the freebase).

Harmaline (100 mg as freebase) produces a strong dreamy state of mind with very noticeable sedative effects, mild mind altering effects, minor visual effects, and some marijuana-like mental confusion after about 2 hours. Harmaline at this dose is quite strong. It seems to be the strongest of the bunch when taken orally. SWIM calls harmaline the “marijuana” of the harmalas.

THH (100 mg as freebase) produces very pleasant tingling sensations in the body (the most notable effect), mild euphoria, and a very mild relaxed anti-stressed peaceful state of mind. No negative effects on the mind’s ability to concentrate are evident at this dose. Extremely mild visual effects are present, sort of sparkly in nature, but you really need to look for them or you won’t notice it. SWIM calls harmine the “zen” of the harmalas because it produces a mild relaxed peaceful meditative state of mind. You don’t feel drugged from it at all, at least at the doses SWIM has tried.

Harmine (100 mg as freebase) produces a mild stimulant effect that’s quite euphoric. Harmine seems to be the weakest of the bunch, producing very little effects at this dose. A dose of 200 mg produces a relaxed state of mind, some mental confusion after about 2 hours, mild mind altering effects, and minor visual effects. It’s the only one SWIM finds to be stimulating. Harmine is the most like a “psychedelic” of the bunch. SWIM calls harmine the “coffee” of the harmalas.


SWIM likes all of them, but for different reasons. Harmine is great with DMT, adding a very nice spiritual dimension to the effects without causing much sedation. Harmaline is a very good sleeping aide. It’s sedative effects and mental confusion effects help you sleep. THH seems to go well with everything so far. It extends the effects of everything SWIM’s tried with it, and is a great stress fighting compound.
 
Swim insuffulated approx. 15mg (ballpark) about 45 min. ago.

Very quick onset and would say he was at peak level w/in 5 minutes, which lasted about 20 - 30 min.

he can feel the effects geeting weaker as he writes.

Very nice euphoria,like everyone else wrote.

Looking foward to combining some spice.

Also. i could see how thh and kratom would go very well with eachother.

There wasnt that much of a burn going up the nose, although the drip down the back of the throat wasnt pleasant but was well worth it.
 
Jorkest said:
thh makes spice last 3 times longer...and it smoothed the trip out...easier

Nice!!

what was the method of ingestion for the THH and dosage?

was the spice/thh taken together or the thh prior to the spice?

What was the dosage on the spice?

Swim is really looking foward to this. If it made it last 3x longer (45min?)

was it a peak trip all the way through or was it stronger at the begginning or did it come and go in waves?

Swim hasn't smoked spice in about a month, for more or less the same reasons as acolon.

I hear people who smoke it chronically tend to have some bad trips (so i've heard),it does takes some of the mystic out of it, if it becomes a daily routine.So swim is excited to take the journey,it's been a little while. :d
 
about 15mgs was snorted about 5 minutes before smoked...and it made the peak breakthrough thing..last about 15 minutes
 
Jorkest, that mirrors SWIM's tests with 5-MeO-DMT and 5-HO-DMT (bufotenine). In his tests SWIM just used 20 mg of THH citrate sublingually though, which is a very weak dose, but it was plenty strong enough to extend their effects.

Did it make the DMT any stronger or was the trip just lengthened?
 
it didnt make the trip any harder...if anything it made it smoother and easier to manage...plus the lengthening of the experience...and it was cool...because the first time smoking that night there was no thh in the body...and then after the first one...SWIM figured he would try snorting a bit of thh and see how fast its effects became apparent...so about 3 minutes after snorting it...he smoked some and it was ok..but it was obvious the THH had NOT taken effect yet...so a few minutes after that..say 8-10 minutes after taking the THH...another dose of spice was taken...and this time the effects of THH were apart..as described above

what is cool about this method of ingesting THH...is that you can sit down and have two spice journeys..the first one fast and whatever...and then snort some thh..wait at least 5 minutes..and have a slower extended trip...

AND then you can compare the two side by side...very easily and quickly
 
Geeze man, I donno how you did that.

I don't think I could handle it.

what is cool about this method of ingesting THH...is that you can sit down and have two spice journeys..the first one fast and whatever...and then snort some thh..wait at least 5 minutes..and have a slower extended trip...

That is cool tho!
 
so SWIM knows that what follows wasnt the smartest thing to try..but he just had to see for himself..with positive results

so he took about 150mg of mdma total...he took 100mg and then about 20-30 minutes later..he snorted about 10mgs of THH

he figured since it is a very mild maoi...it SHOULD be fairly safe to try...

maybe 2 hours after the first dose..he snorted another 50mgs mdma or so...the roll didnt get uncomfortable in anyway..it was definitely elevated from the THH but not overly..and he didnt really feel any negative side effects..haha other than rolling really nice...he then later decided to try some spice on top of that and had a very powerful experience...by this point the thh was barely present..but it did lengthen the trip up just a bit..

SWIM doesnt think anybody should really try this though..he may have just been lucky...but...if he could get away with using a smaller amount of material..by combining it with small amounts of THH..it seems like its very worth it..he was very clear headed the whole time...and had a wonderful night with close friends

you would just have to be very careful about dosing...you dont need to do much of either to get better effects...but overdoing it is dangerous...

its also lengthened the mdma buzz quite a bit..but not uncomfortably...

overall thh is turning out to be quite the handy device
 
Snorted a very small amount last night, with little to no effects. At least no effects I could perceive, perhaps a slight mood lift.

I'll try more soon.
 
SWIM just tried snorting 27 mg. Just like everything else he's snorted it was unpleasant. He got a slight headache, it burned, he felt slightly nauseated, and very little else was felt. He gets this effect with everything, even inactive substances he's snorted. He mostly just felt uncomfortable and it burned a little through the entire experience.

SWIM will stick to using it orally and sublingually. The nose is just not the way he takes things.

SWIM still feels a little sick from it and got next to no effects. He gets more effects when he takes it sublingually, and doesn’t feel sick from that method.

He’s taken up to 200 mg orally, and 75 mg sublingually, and both methods produced great results with no unpleasant effects. That’s the last time he ever tries snorting anything ever again. It’s always the same: headache and nausea.

For some reason, anything he snorts causes him to feel sick. It doesn’t matter what it is. He was hoping the THH wouldn’t do it, but it does too. Oh well, it was worth a try. Now back to sublingual and oral use which he finds very pleasant.
 
Jorkest said:
so SWIM knows that what follows wasnt the smartest thing to try..but he just had to see for himself..with positive results

so he took about 150mg of mdma total...he took 100mg and then about 20-30 minutes later..he snorted about 10mgs of THH

he figured since it is a very mild maoi...it SHOULD be fairly safe to try...its also lengthened the mdma buzz quite a bit..but not uncomfortably...

I highly suggest people NOT try this. Hypertensive crisis is certianly a serious possiblity. I'm glad you didn't die! Please be careful with MAOI's even "weak" MAOI's and stims.
 
acolon_5 said:
Jorkest said:
so SWIM knows that what follows wasnt the smartest thing to try..but he just had to see for himself..with positive results

so he took about 150mg of mdma total...he took 100mg and then about 20-30 minutes later..he snorted about 10mgs of THH

he figured since it is a very mild maoi...it SHOULD be fairly safe to try...its also lengthened the mdma buzz quite a bit..but not uncomfortably...

I highly suggest people NOT try this. Hypertensive crisis is certianly a serious possiblity. I'm glad you didn't die! Please be careful with MAOI's even "weak" MAOI's and stims.

i agree completely! SWIM also took a very small amount..and didnt feel in any danger..but yes..dont try this...SWIM isnt going to try it again either...but just wanted to check to see what would happen...not safe at all!
 
69ron said:
SWIM just tried snorting 27 mg. Just like everything else he's snorted it was unpleasant. He got a slight headache, it burned, he felt slightly nauseated, and very little else was felt. He gets this effect with everything, even inactive substances he's snorted. He mostly just felt uncomfortable and it burned a little through the entire experience.

SWIM will stick to using it orally and sublingually. The nose is just not the way he takes things.

SWIM still feels a little sick from it and got next to no effects. He gets more effects when he takes it sublingually, and doesn’t feel sick from that method.

He’s taken up to 200 mg orally, and 75 mg sublingually, and both methods produced great results with no unpleasant effects. That’s the last time he ever tries snorting anything ever again. It’s always the same: headache and nausea.

For some reason, anything he snorts causes him to feel sick. It doesn’t matter what it is. He was hoping the THH wouldn’t do it, but it does too. Oh well, it was worth a try. Now back to sublingual and oral use which he finds very pleasant.


one thing that SWIM has done with this method of intake..is that he uses only about 8-15mgs tops...he feels that anymore than that would cause too much uncomfortable feelings...because it does burn...but for slight Maoi'ness the smallest amount goes very far...

sublingually seems like the most comfortable way to do it though..snorting it is rather painful and makes SWIM sneeze quite a few times
 
26mgs rectal administration
45minutes later 46mgs DMT vaporized.

The THH was overpowering at 26mgs and I had to wait a bit before I felt comfortable vaporizing the DMT. I have never vibrated so much with THH...it was intense.

As soon as the THH started to decline a bit I smoked the DMT.

It was very pleasant, the visuals were greatly slowed down and I was able to enjoy them a bit more...HOWEVER, the duration did not increase, at least the breakthrough part, the after effects were stronger than usual and lasted about 30 minutes as opposed to 10. The thing that really got me was how empty it was..there was no meaning behind it, no feelings, it was simply visual candy. I did NOT expect this from a Caapi alkaloid, I really was expecting quite a bit more.
 
Wanna tell me exactly how you put it up your butt? :)

Sounds like the best method...

I can't believe you said- "The THH was overpowering at 26mgs and I had to wait a bit before I felt comfortable vaporizing the DMT. I have never vibrated so much with THH...it was intense."

It would appear rectal administration is the most effective Mg for Mg.
 
perhaps if you had used the spice while you felt too uncomfortable to do it...and maybe try a slightly smaller dose of THH

when SWIM tried thh with spice...it was after the peak of the THH..but the breakthrough happened immediately..it took like 5 seconds after the hit was taken..it didnt make the trip stronger..just the breakthrough happened faster..

this was with snorted THH..about 10 mg
 
26mgs rectal administration
45minutes later 46mgs DMT vaporized.

The THH was overpowering at 26mgs and I had to wait a bit before I felt comfortable vaporizing the DMT. I have never vibrated so much with THH...it was intense.
Weird. I have done caapi rectally quite a few times. Never noticed any potentation compared to taking it orally. Dmt is about 3 times as potent through that route.

Wonder what could cause the discrepancy.
 
I think if I had snorted it I would have had the same effects. Not sure why this differs from oral, but THH is certainly oral<sublingual<intranasal/rectal

2mL warm water was mixed in a shot glass with 26mgs THH citrate, it took a few for it to dissolve, and at 4 minutes with constant agitation there was still some small specks left.

The 2mL was sucked up through a 10cc syringe (no needle :shock:) and administered rectally. Effects were felt within 2 minutes, with a peak in about 5.

I did lower the amount of DMT, thinking the THH would potentiate (like harmine/harmaline does). 50-60mg is usually full breakthough, but I went low to be safe.

I will be doing this again, as it really took all the fear out of the experience. Very mellow and quite pleasant.
 


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