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Opiyum

Opiyum

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I tried to keep it as short as possible but for those interested in odd drug potentiation and synergy this is a good read and a true account. I posted this at Opiophile.org to get their interpertation and see how the two sites differ. My thoughts are expressed herein though they are not quite complete because I am at a loss for what happened to me last night. The first bit is to help you understand my current and yesterdays state of mind. After that it gets a bit more interested. I'm no fan of talking about my life, if you read this you'll see there isn't much good in it to be talking about anyhow.



So here's the pretext to this whole crazy thing that happened last night.
I met a girl a few weeks ago, slowly falling in love. Feels great, feels great to feel. So that may be having an effect on my brain chemistry.I don't know. Worth mentioning though.
Yesterday got more bad news from Unemployment and still have yet to get paid and havent had any income since my last paycheck which I got december 31st and which was gone immediately to bills food and the bar. So I am out of toilet paper, food, gas and over the past week have been feeling really deflated except when I'm with this girl. She's is the only thing that shines in my life right now. So there's my mental state as of the last few weeks....Oh and my computer died and it took a week or so to fix all the problems had to format it, didnt have my windows CD or drivers discs so had to use a friends, it was a nightmare, expecially because I was on my cell phone only (house phone only works when comp does) with insurance companies and unemployment and all kinds of other, on hold, bullshit and I only get reception from my cell phone in my apartment if I stand right by the window perfectly still....so that sucks tooo....
Moving on...
Yesterday. Was supposed to get some money deposited into my account. Someone screwed up again and now I wont get it till monday. Great way to start the day. So I get upset, eat a few milligrams of Klonopin and drink half a bottle of lemoncella. I pass out for a few hours.
I wake up. Depressed. Drunk. Lonely.
I decide to take a few hits of DMT since it had been a few weeks since my last. So I go to bed. Turn out the lights. Through on Edward Sharp and blast off. Twice. Not total breakthroughs but they were nice and I was actually in very minor withdrawals and the immediate feeling of no stress or restlessness in my legs upon exhaling was amazing.
I come down just as the buzzer at my door goes off.
It's my buddy.
He takes my computer to his house and there I am left alone again but not feeling so bad anymore.
I get a call from a friend I work with who needs a ride and wants hooked up. I pick him up. We cop and I just ask for money for compensation for all the driving (in a car 6 months past inspection) all over town through the ghetto etc etc.
I take him to the hospital where his girl is.

I get another call and someone has some bags for me by the name of To love and Cherish and having had them four days prior I cant pass them up. They are amazing.
Now six hours or more since coming down from DMT and sitting in my car waiting for him to show.
Finally he does.
I jump back in my car.
Fix up one bag (due to low tolerance currently and good quality)

Rip. scrap. squirt. pop. mix. rip. ball up. drop in. suck up. flush out excess air and pull my seatbelt across my arm.
Immediately after finishing pushing that amazing rush hits...but then 30 to 40 seconds after finishing pushing (needle already cleaned out and put away at this point) I notice that I am tripping, DMT style, my face off. I closed my eyes to make sure and sure enough the patterns and colors and shapes and all of it was there. There was no forcing it. It was just happening. I couldn't believe it and was wishing my computer was fixed at that point cause I wanted to immediately share what the fuck just happened. What could it have been.
From what I have read DMT, when smoked, is processed by the brain pretty quickly and has a super short half life and 6 to 7 hours later most certainly should have been gone and even if it wasn't why would heroin all of the sudden bring it back full swing?

Is this not crazy? Is this a phenomenon that I just haven't heard of?
I mean....the DMT using Heroin using type isn't exactly common, which isn't to say I'm all that unique but did I stumble on some sort of weird synergy here? Some strange cocktail?
I know there wasn't DMT salt in the bags. Other people were doing them and they weren't experiencing anything different just good ole' dope high. And I don't want to hear that I imagined it.....It was real and....yeah....but I am dumbfounded....so...thoughts?
 
You should stop doing heroin, and then your trip reports will have more substance! Maybe even include details about what the experience was actually like, rather than just listing off the drugs you did! That's sorta what typifies the typical heroin user, not really in it for the experience as much as the drowning out of experience, and then assuming their lack of presence is worth something.
 
To the mod: I apologize if I have broken any rules. For the most part this is a DMT experience post. Heroin happened to be an adjunct to the story.


To Narmz:
I expected judgement so that's not surprising. I didn't care to describe the trip earlier in the day or the one that came on suddenly because that's not what interests me. But your right. I would be better off not using heroin at all and I hope to accomplish that someday but I am proud of the fact that I have only used heroin 4 times since new years eve and I am not taking methadone or Suboxone.
I think you missed the point of the the thread and are being a bit too judgemental but like I said I expected that from some of the people here. Others here I think are more enlightened to the fact that even your precious entheogens are all very active when it comes to opioid receptors. What would DMT be without the Sigma?
You can't have it both ways my friend and really this is a tangent I don't want to get into. Im just curious about what could explain what happened to me last night. To me that is very interesting and Im sure to others it is too.

But thanks for all the good things you had to say and contribute. You have been very helpful indeed and open minded to boot.
 
Fair do's to you for your honesty and all but, and without being judgemental against yourself, heroin is a fucking dirty drug and is responsible for so much misery and destruction that I cannot condone it's use unless it's for proper medicinal purposes. Junkies are a waste of space and time, Glasgow is overrun with them and their illiterate, fucked up offspring who spawn even more of their genetic waste. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm being harsh or nasty about this but smack is something very, very close to me and to see it make an appearance on this forum disgusts me.
 
Wow...I respect that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that's fine.
I know heroin is a lot different from opium but so is dmt from ayahuasca. And McKenna talks about the mixed use of entheogens and opium a lot in a lot of ancient cultures....I don't know...I'm not gonna defend myself or heroin. Heroin doesn't deserve it and I was just sharing. because I thought it would interest some of you. I didn't think it would offend you guys so easily and I don't mean that as a slight because I know how devastating powerful opioids can effect peoples lives and the loved ones around them. So I am sorry. Truly sorry If I offended anyone.
Last thing Ill say is that life is not all sacred geometry and spirit worlds and psychedelic bliss and harmony. There is a real sober crushing world out there and my life and what I wrote here is nothing compared to the misery others are experiencing every day all day, right now even. I don't see why this isn't even discusable.
Turning a blind eye and refusing to talk about it doesn't seem to go with any spiritual principles that I know of.
Honesty, intuition, exploration, pushing boundaries and limits, humility etc etc. These are spiritual prinicipals. Not that I'm perfect. Not by a long shot but I sure as shit wont turn a blind eye to something or someone because I think they are of a lesser class or standard.

Good day nexus...I hope at least one person understands why I posted this and we can start to discuss what happened. If not then I really got the wrong impression about this place. But thanks to the mod for giving it a chance.
 
It doesn't matter if we feel "disgusted". What stands out is, that Opiyum seems to have some real problems in life. This is everything that matters. Life is not only fun and games for everyone at all times. We should respect that.

@Opiyum
Respect the spice and it might give you what you're seeking. It's not a drug to be compared with heroin. What you've experienced was most likely a heroin induced flashback. It might also be the spices way of helping you. Take care man
 
Ident said:
Fair do's to you for your honesty and all but, and without being judgemental against yourself, heroin is a fucking dirty drug and is responsible for so much misery and destruction that I cannot condone it's use unless it's for proper medicinal purposes. Junkies are a waste of space and time, Glasgow is overrun with them and their illiterate, fucked up offspring who spawn even more of their genetic waste. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm being harsh or nasty about this but smack is something very, very close to me and to see it make an appearance on this forum disgusts me.
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Whoa, this post is even worse than just mentioning heroin. It's downright horrible and opinionated.

Mind you people, heroin is not a human, it is an object and thus amoral. It is people who can be good or bad, clever or stupid. I cannot blame any junky in the world either since it'll require knowing the reasons that pushed one to heroin addiction. I am more likely to blame a messed up society that forces people to such actions than people themselves ( or substances). Let us also not forget that the main cause of these is prohibition.

SWIM feels uneasy with the subject but the subject is not condemning heroin or heroin user here, it's about the combo and that a shooting brought an apparent dmt flashback. This is interesting pharmakology if you ask me unless someone's playing some joke (e.g. supplying dmt instead of heroin).
 
I'm gonna try to keep my nose out of the volatile argument here, I'm sure many of the other members share my point of view on physically addictive drugs. Salvia hits some opioid receptors too... the broadly labelled receptors are definitely not the main cause for concern here...

That being said, could you elaborate a little more on the experiences? I know you said that it doesn't interest you, but those are the details that interest me :)
 
obliguhl said:
It doesn't matter if we feel "disgusted". What stands out is, that Opiyum seems to have some real problems in life. This is everything that matters. Life is not only fun and games for everyone at all times. We should respect that.

@opiyum
Respect the spice and it might give you what you're seeking. It's not a drug to be compared with heroin. What you've experienced was most likely a heroin induced flashback. It might also be the spices way of helping you. Take care man
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Thank you. I appreciate that very much and no I'm not completely well right now but DMT has helped. This little snip it of my life might make you think different but it truly has.
What has helped more is this women I now have in my life. Last night was a mistake...in fact all of yesterday was a mistake but thats how we learn and I now have more than just a substance be it heroin, dmt or endogenous opioids to live for....I have another person who makes me realize that I need to start treating myself with more respect and that I do deserve better...WOW this is not where I thought this would go....anyhow...

As far as the flashback I don't know...maybe. The entire DMT experience was very short....less than a minute of acute effects and not really and after fuzzy ness.

Thanks again.
 
I don't care if anyone thinks I'm being harsh or nasty about this
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Well you should, because you're part of this community. We're not just "anyone" but individuals who care about each other. Your post saddened me. And I really hope you care about this fact.
 
I agree that it doesn't matter if anyone else feels disgusted, I just wanted to make my point about heroin and my opinion of it. Personally, I didn't think opiates were a topic of discussion on this site but that's just what I think and no one's obliged to agree with me. Part of the reason I like this forum so much is it's open mindedness and inclusion of other psychoactive chemicals but I was pretty shocked to see heroin getting a mention.

My reasons for having such a strong aversion to smack are very much personal. I enjoy opiates like codeine occasionally so perhaps I'm hypocritical but I've watched too many people, close friends and immediate family rot away and die through heroin abuse. I apologise if I caused any offence and I certainly wasn't judging the OP as a person, I have my feelings about the subject and was shocked to see it on this site of all places. But each to their own so long as it harm none.

Just take care of yourself mate, don't be another statistic. I mean no ill will.
 
perhaps I'm hypocritical but I've watched too many people, close friends and immediate family rot away and die through heroin abuse.
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Well mate, I can totally understand your anger. But it's just anger, because you've been hurt. We should not forget that we all are hurt. Some propably more than others, but this is no contest. I feel that it's important to not give into this feeling of helplessness. I wish you all the best dealing with your feelings..its hard, I know!

@Opiyum
That's amazing to hear! And yes, that's how we learn. I think it's more like realizing certain things, getting to know your personal story more and more though. The Spice can certainly facilitate this process. I'm wishing you all the best man!!
 
First MR infund: Thank you...I was beginning to lose hope in the people here and thank you for not closing this because it is the pharmacology that I am interested in. There is something to it. I mean...with the recent work last year about DMT and the sigma receptor and then you look at Sal A...I don't know...it's not my field but I do like to look at pharmacology and pharmakinetics from an amateurs perspective.

And Azreal....I read that part too and realized that I could have explained that better I was just worried this thing was getting closed and typed off what I could as fast as possible. I am very interested in the experiences I have on DMT. It's saved me numerous times from crushing depression and I am working on bufotenin right now.....anyway..I love this stuff. I only said that the trips didn't interest me because it's this weird DMT trip without doing DMT that is really fucking interesting.

After the initial rush wore off. A total of 30-40 second after I finished injecting. I got tinnitus which is what told me something was up because that doesnt happen with heroin IV, Coke yes, dope no. Then I felt that rushing moving sensation and the thought that maybe I had just overdosed did flash through my brain. In ten years of use I have never overdosed before so I wouldn't know what to expect. It was when I closed my eyes that I realized I was back where I was 6 or 7 hours earlier in my apartment. The standard threshold stuff really but this time brighter and more well defined but maybe 30 seconds after I realized what was going on it was gone. Completely gone. And I was left in my warm cumfy opiate haze. Sitting in my car. Wide eyed totally confused by what happened and as I said others I know have done these bags and they didn't get this effect nor did I when I did these same bags four days prior.

Earlier that day When I woke up alone and drunk and decided to take those few hits in my bed I was at a real low point and were I not drunk (just buzzed really feels like drunk to me because Im not a drinker and the benzo taken hours earlier probably had something to do with it) I don't think I would have had the courage to smoke the D at that moment.
In my bed I didn't get grid patterns and shifting geometry instead for the first time I got golden glowing silky scarves embracing me, massaging me and swirling all around me. They were beautiful. Angels I guess. So I cried....a lot. And it felt great but the real world. My life came back and when I went to help my friend with a ride I denied bags that he offered as compensation and instead took money but later when I heard the other very good bags were around and that the woman in my life wasn't going to be able to see me....I caved....I wanted to see her.
It was such a horrible day and I just wanted to see her but instead I was left with myself or one more medicated peaceful moment.
 
Have you ever heard of ibogaine? You should try it, since it can cure addiction or at least help you stay clean for a few months.
An ibogaine trip will last for a day or two, but since you're unemployed, you should be able to make time.
(bancopuma, is one of the forum members who could give you more info on the stuff)

Addiction to opiates varies from person to person. Besides genetic aspects, the amount you use and how long you've been using determine how serious your problem is. Heroin addiction can be relatively mild and easy to overcome, when you're new to it and it can be extremely tough when you're on it for years.

I get the impression that you're still relatively new to the stuff and you're addiction is still rather mild, so that means (if your life means anything to you) that you should stop NOW, because the longer you wait, the harder it get's.

About the flash-back: It could be that indeed you had a full DMT flash-back, but it could also be that heroin has made you relatively numb to the effects of DMT, so you never experienced a DMT-trip to it's full depth....there are countless possible explanations. I totally believe your story.
But to me it also indicates that your brain is a little messed-up, wich may have to do with your habit.

The greeks saw opium as a divine substance. In their view it was a psychedelic and heroin, wich is essentially morphine may have some qualities that are borderline psychedelic effects, on the side of dissociative effects.

So i believe that heroin can bring you into states that can at least feel totally divine.
But addiction is a psychiatric illness wich, as long as you've not overcome it, will keep you mind and spirit caged. It will hang like a big shadow over your life, will alienate you from your loved ones and will make you hurt them, even if you don't mean to or if you're not aware of it.

As long as you keep taking the stuff it will all keep spiralling down.

And there are many people who have overcome this very same problem you're dealing with, who managed to start a brand new life. There are plenty examples of that, even amongst members of this forum.

In the worst case you just have to go through hell for a few days.
 
The thing is that once SWIM hypothesised that the short action of smoked and injected dmt (other than its degradation by MAOIs) may be due to its internalisation intra-cellularly. Intracellularly localised dmt cannot act on the receptors any more (but can act on the intracellular sigma-1 as you mentioned).

Is it possible that the heroin could externalise the dmt from inside to the outside the cells (where it can act uopn receptors)? The buffling issue is how did it managed to stay inside the cells for too long. I cannot think of a molecular mechanism that could account for this. The combination (or "sequence" if you may) you tried is not a famous one, I bet Burrows may have had something to say on the issue since he had experience of both injecting dmt and spice.

But i need to ask again, you sure your dealer did not give you spice instead? did your friend shoot as well? can he confirm it was diamorphine/?
 
ident I understand you have a clear hatred for heroin but to label children of drug addicts "fucked up offspring" & "genetic waste" is utterlly deplorable. children do not have the choice who, why, when or where they are born into this world this was a cheap and sick stunt.

I live in glasgow myself man, so of course I know what its like. heroin addicts are not exactly my favourite companions for a quiet night in:d


Ident said:
Part of the reason I like this forum so much is it's open mindedness .
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this was a little paradoxical judging by your 1st response.

maybe you should exercise that same open mindedness when you reply to others on this forum.

your personal reasons I respect my friend. and you seemed to have explained your self so fair doos:d

best wishes


opyium

I hope you find the right path fellow.

you are not here to be judged:d
 
also may I add to opyium,

the heading for this thread did you no favours at all my friend:?
kind of boastfull and heroin bravado i perceived

it wasnt your greatest moment but im sure you will learn:d
much peace
 
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