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I just now signed, I hope it's not too late. I wish I could be there on Wall Street at 6 A.M. to stand in Solidarity with all our brothers and sisters who are brave enough to stay at the park after all this time.
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The American Revolution Began Sept. 17th
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SHroomtroll
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Can anyone comment on the info about that jewish billionares are sponsoring these protests as a counteraction to the tea party movement?
I´m not saying it´s like that but on a local forum alot of people claimed the local protests were held by left wing idiots that wanted to bring more power to the governments and less to the free market.
Like i said i know to little to have a opinion so i would love for someone to prove me dead wrong.
I´m not saying it´s like that but on a local forum alot of people claimed the local protests were held by left wing idiots that wanted to bring more power to the governments and less to the free market.
Like i said i know to little to have a opinion so i would love for someone to prove me dead wrong.
SHroomtroll said:
Personally I'd put the burden on others to prove their statement. You could spend your whole life trying to disprove wild claims.
Seems pretty opinionated....and honestly pretty much just like the political rhetoric most of us grew up with....it's time to move past left right idealism.
There is a lot to be said for free markets on some things...other things like natural resources...not so much.
the world is not black and white. Until everyone can transcend party ideals I don't see much progress happening. Luckily we have groups of people in many cities doing just this!
Peace
Mitakuye Oyasin
Titanium Teammate
IMHO the Elitists (1%) and the people that support them and/or are paid by them to do their bidding are extremely frightened of these grassroots protests and the fact that many members of the public are angry and re doing something about it and are speaking the truth to the rest of the world. They are trying anything and everything they can to suppress these occupy movements and demonstrations. When force from the police against the crowds fails or starts to generate negative media attention (pepper spraying civilians for no justifiable or legal reason) they try to infiltrate these movements with plants and actors and subversives and "anarchists" and anything else they can think of to try to disrupt these public movements from the inside out. The CIA has been doing this for decades. Just do a little research into COINTELPRO - it is their counter intelligence program that is designed to infiltrate and destroy from within the energy of any group or movement that is counter to the interests of the government, military industrial complex and the interests of the wealthy elite who run things. They are usually the ones who will plant a few people at large public demonstrations like the G8 who will start to vandalize public and private property, start fires, destroy police cars, etc to try to turn the energy of the crowd from positive and peaceful to negative and destructive in order to discredit them and what they are doing. Public support of the protestors evaporates once they start smashing things up. The Elite (1%) have effectively poisoned both sides, Republicans and Democrats, but the Republicans in office seem to do their corporate/military/wealthy elite bidding with almost no transparency these days. Not that the Dems are blameless, they are not, but at least a lot of them in office still try to protect people, health and the environment over corporations.
My opinion is that if these occupy movements and public demonstrations stay peaceful and positive they can actually have amazing positive changes. Power to the people. Power to peace. Expose the fakers in the crowd and expose their reasons for infiltrating and faking. I support the 99:1 movement and unless you are in the 1%, I encourage you to support it as well. Actually even if and especially if you were born into the 1% I also encourage you to support the 99:1 movement. Show that you do not stand with the flawed and destructive reasoning of your forefathers and that you think all people are truly created equal and that money and power should not make a human more than equal to everyone else. Peace everyone!
My opinion is that if these occupy movements and public demonstrations stay peaceful and positive they can actually have amazing positive changes. Power to the people. Power to peace. Expose the fakers in the crowd and expose their reasons for infiltrating and faking. I support the 99:1 movement and unless you are in the 1%, I encourage you to support it as well. Actually even if and especially if you were born into the 1% I also encourage you to support the 99:1 movement. Show that you do not stand with the flawed and destructive reasoning of your forefathers and that you think all people are truly created equal and that money and power should not make a human more than equal to everyone else. Peace everyone!
Is it wrong for me to think that peace isn't going to get the people anywhere?
I am so jaded by the entire thing... it's like we have given up on trying to make the government listen so we have turned to the "next bad authority" in charge.
If making signs, protesting and "occupying" anywhere ever did anything for real change we would have fixed all of this back in the 50's or 60's..or 80's or even the 90's....
Protest all you want for change but nothing will happen as long as protesters keep buying gas, cigarettes, markers(for the signs) and clothes/shoes/sun glasses etc. Essentially paying the people everyone is so against.
Wall street would have fixed this mess if they could a long time ago (I think).
If you want REAL change stop paying your taxes and buying crap form these corporations.
If making signs, protesting and "occupying" anywhere ever did anything for real change we would have fixed all of this back in the 50's or 60's..or 80's or even the 90's....
Protest all you want for change but nothing will happen as long as protesters keep buying gas, cigarettes, markers(for the signs) and clothes/shoes/sun glasses etc. Essentially paying the people everyone is so against.
Wall street would have fixed this mess if they could a long time ago (I think).
If you want REAL change stop paying your taxes and buying crap form these corporations.
Why do people complain that the world population is conformist, that the current generations have no aspirations to change things, that the young ones arent politically/socially conscious, and then when people finally take the courage to do things, it is met with cynicism, distrust or with a complete lack of hope ? (not aiming this at anybody in particular).
Yes being a conscious consumer is essential. Yes just protesting isnt enough.. But is this a reason not to protest? Wouldnt it be better to work on all fronts, to consume/not-consume consciously, to try to help and do things in our daily lives, to protest, to vote or not vote consciously, etc etc ? In any case just the fact that for the first time in history, people of all nations worldwide are finally taking a stand against all the abuse from the selected bankers/politicians, is IMO an INCREDIBLE sign of change that could lead into long term changes.
And if you're looking for examples of real changes or at least signs of it, how about iceland's changes to the constitutions after their protests? How about the talks and proposals of laws that are being discussed in spain by the government regarding unfair mortgage laws, and the protest movement having stopped many people from being kicked out of their houses after they couldnt pay the mortgage? and all sorts of changes in how the budget cuts are being done from the government after the proposals made by the local protest movements? How about the long term neighborhood assemblies that continue to happen here and where constructive suggestions are being made to change things in a daily basis? How about just the fact that people now feel they at least can try to do something, and therefore lose the fear? Or all the changes that might still come sooner or later etc etc . Or even if nothing would come out of it, shouldnt we try?
Instead of being negative about it, how about we keep trying to do the changes we feel should be done elsewhere appart from protesting, and at the same time try to support to the movement, making our suggestions to what kind of directions it can take? Snozz for example is actively participating, he's responsible for suggestion actions the movement in his area should take... You guys can always try to give your good influence to the movement so that it goes to the best direction possible.
Its natural there will be "lost" people, its natural there will be "social vampires" taking advantage of the movement, its natural some people will have some completely unrealistic or selfish demands instead of asking for good general social changes.. But give your input to the reasonable side, try to make your best, to establish a positive momentum that can overcome the difficulties and problems.
Dont wait for years from now when people talk about these days, and then regret you didnt participate.
Yes being a conscious consumer is essential. Yes just protesting isnt enough.. But is this a reason not to protest? Wouldnt it be better to work on all fronts, to consume/not-consume consciously, to try to help and do things in our daily lives, to protest, to vote or not vote consciously, etc etc ? In any case just the fact that for the first time in history, people of all nations worldwide are finally taking a stand against all the abuse from the selected bankers/politicians, is IMO an INCREDIBLE sign of change that could lead into long term changes.
And if you're looking for examples of real changes or at least signs of it, how about iceland's changes to the constitutions after their protests? How about the talks and proposals of laws that are being discussed in spain by the government regarding unfair mortgage laws, and the protest movement having stopped many people from being kicked out of their houses after they couldnt pay the mortgage? and all sorts of changes in how the budget cuts are being done from the government after the proposals made by the local protest movements? How about the long term neighborhood assemblies that continue to happen here and where constructive suggestions are being made to change things in a daily basis? How about just the fact that people now feel they at least can try to do something, and therefore lose the fear? Or all the changes that might still come sooner or later etc etc . Or even if nothing would come out of it, shouldnt we try?
Instead of being negative about it, how about we keep trying to do the changes we feel should be done elsewhere appart from protesting, and at the same time try to support to the movement, making our suggestions to what kind of directions it can take? Snozz for example is actively participating, he's responsible for suggestion actions the movement in his area should take... You guys can always try to give your good influence to the movement so that it goes to the best direction possible.
Its natural there will be "lost" people, its natural there will be "social vampires" taking advantage of the movement, its natural some people will have some completely unrealistic or selfish demands instead of asking for good general social changes.. But give your input to the reasonable side, try to make your best, to establish a positive momentum that can overcome the difficulties and problems.
Dont wait for years from now when people talk about these days, and then regret you didnt participate.
Endlessness, can I post what you said to some facebook pages?
I do not feel I am being negative, just realistic...given the information I have. I have been to many protests in my life so please do not think I am against action.
Occupi wall street is as effective as fat people suing McDonalds for serving fatty foods. Yes people want change but pushing the organizations that made this faulty system to change it for us has proven to not work. Time and time again.
In other news the Bank of Canada is now supporting this movement... That makes how many large banks on board for this now?...so the evil corporations occupy is against are on the side of the protest. <wonders why this does not seem strange to anyone else>
We do not need anyone else to give power to the people, we already have the power-we need some amnesia medication more than we need protests...
back to my own protest of living off the land, not giving my money to corporations and putting action in my own life to change this mess-baby steps.
No time to drive to a city (spending gas, parking and food $), make signs and stand around-sorry if this makes me negative
Occupi wall street is as effective as fat people suing McDonalds for serving fatty foods. Yes people want change but pushing the organizations that made this faulty system to change it for us has proven to not work. Time and time again.
In other news the Bank of Canada is now supporting this movement... That makes how many large banks on board for this now?...so the evil corporations occupy is against are on the side of the protest. <wonders why this does not seem strange to anyone else>
We do not need anyone else to give power to the people, we already have the power-we need some amnesia medication more than we need protests...
back to my own protest of living off the land, not giving my money to corporations and putting action in my own life to change this mess-baby steps.
No time to drive to a city (spending gas, parking and food $), make signs and stand around-sorry if this makes me negative
By saying you are "realistic" you are claiming that you know what reality is, and in special, what the future is. How can you pretend to know the long term consequences of these protests? Maybe you can say what you hypothesize, but speaking as if you really know for sure the future? That sounds strange to me.
I think its great that you're having the opportunity to live off the land. Consider yourself very lucky, because tons of people around the world cant do the same even if they would really want it. These protest are also for those people who cant, and need someone to be their voice.
In any case, but you are talking as if they are mutually exclusive battles, while they can be incredibly complementary. I speak from the experience of the spanish protests. For example, you are talking about living growing your own food. What about the fact that in protests here, the Environment Comission has become a great node for connection between different people with this kind of inniciative, those who had land, those who wanted to gather with others to find a land, and others who wanted to support local agriculture and consume sustainably but didnt know how to,appart from the overpriced organic supermarkets (which as you well know are often not green at all). So if you think a single person doing this (such as yourself) makes a difference, why arent you considering how these protests can further push people into doing this, as they have done here?
Or all the other examples of real change that has happened and might happen in the future. You just dont know whats the long term consequence of this, and neither do I. I also went to many protests in my life and these ones happening lately here where COMPLETELY different than all the other ones ive been to in my life. Im not in USA but I can imagine this could be similar.
This isnt to say you personally have to go or not. You do just what you want. Maybe you should rather stay in your place and not spend gas to go to protests, but maybe others are near and its more worth it? Or maybe others feel that the gas and so on will be worth it because they think they have something to truely contribute there? Live and let live.
I think its great that you're having the opportunity to live off the land. Consider yourself very lucky, because tons of people around the world cant do the same even if they would really want it. These protest are also for those people who cant, and need someone to be their voice.
In any case, but you are talking as if they are mutually exclusive battles, while they can be incredibly complementary. I speak from the experience of the spanish protests. For example, you are talking about living growing your own food. What about the fact that in protests here, the Environment Comission has become a great node for connection between different people with this kind of inniciative, those who had land, those who wanted to gather with others to find a land, and others who wanted to support local agriculture and consume sustainably but didnt know how to,appart from the overpriced organic supermarkets (which as you well know are often not green at all). So if you think a single person doing this (such as yourself) makes a difference, why arent you considering how these protests can further push people into doing this, as they have done here?
Or all the other examples of real change that has happened and might happen in the future. You just dont know whats the long term consequence of this, and neither do I. I also went to many protests in my life and these ones happening lately here where COMPLETELY different than all the other ones ive been to in my life. Im not in USA but I can imagine this could be similar.
This isnt to say you personally have to go or not. You do just what you want. Maybe you should rather stay in your place and not spend gas to go to protests, but maybe others are near and its more worth it? Or maybe others feel that the gas and so on will be worth it because they think they have something to truely contribute there? Live and let live.
This has escalated to a viral level I think it will make a significant impact solely due to the frenzy. Rather confused why Al Sharpton thinks he speaks in any way for this movement. I can feel the mentality around my region and I have that sense that people are willing to make a bold move right now. They have little left to loose and most Americans do not see a good long term future some are even in belief that we are in the decline.
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An excellent speech by Peter Joseph that brings up several great points and gives you another way to look at this movement. Highly Recommended. Please watch and share.
An excellent speech by Peter Joseph that brings up several great points and gives you another way to look at this movement. Highly Recommended. Please watch and share.
live stream and chat with thousands of viewers and participants...
Yesterday we were 400,000 people on the streets here according to some people speaking for the movement, and the police says 60,000 people. Truth must be somewhere in between, but most def over 100,000 because it was significantly more than the other time when there was 100,000.
people in the ows chats say madrid had 250k^
times square had 60k
times square had 60k
Well I hope that the people do not give in at the end of the year as they fought the good fight and failed. Which most certainly may just happen, we need to continue to persevere through this. What else can we do? Go on strike? And why can't we have a sub forum for this new revolution we are seeking?
Sublime said:
Take a look around, the DMT-Nexus doesn't need a subforum for what it already is. :twisted:
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