The dmt wall

[Lukeskywalker]

Hello, I've been what I call time traveling and sky walking with the molecule a little while now and I've noticed recently I'm not able to break through now. Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else, I'm not using daily but sometimes everyweekend or fortnightly. Please feel free to tell me your experiences or what im doing wrong. Thanks ️

 

[Global]

You'll have to elaborate a bit more to get any solid advice. How much are you using at a time? What methods are you using to smoke/vaporize it? Walk us through what you do step by step so we can better help you.

 

[Lukeskywalker]

I'm not sure weight wise how much i do. I put a little spoon full in a peace pipe and directly light it. The first few times were unreal, i do it weekly just on the weekends but the past few times I have smoked so much and kinda stay here. Still a overall positive reflective experience just no visuals. Wondering also if I should smoke it as soon as I get it or is it weakening from being in the cupboard

 

[fathomlessness]

I'm not sure weight wise how much i do. I put a little spoon full in a peace pipe and directly light it. The first few times were unreal, i do it weekly just on the weekends but the past few times I have smoked so much and kinda stay here. Still a overall positive reflective experience just no visuals. Wondering also if I should smoke it as soon as I get it or is it weakening from being in the cupboard

That still doesn't tell us enough. How big is a spoonful? What kind of pipe? Crack pipe? Standard pipe? Are you putting it on herb then lighting it? If so that isn't the correct method.

DMT is supposed to be vaporized and not at high temperatures like above 250c. It shouldn't touch direct flame. This burns the DMT and waste it so you don't feel the full effects. Also, I hope when you say spoonful you mean microspoon because a table spoon would be ridiculous. 50mg looks about the size of a pea and 25mg looks like the size of a grain of rice, however eyeballing doses like this can be dangerous if you don't have any experience or don't start out with a very small dose and work your way up.

If however you are doing it correctly then there is something known here as a "shutout" where hyperspace will not open for you. Hyperspace lexicon - DMT-Nexus Wiki

 

[Lukeskywalker]

I believe the amount is correct, I used to weigh it at first. Went off terrence McKenna dosage suggestions. Vaping is a fairly new concept isn't it? I don't put it on herb i use a hash pipe with a ash filter to stop pull through and heat it up and pull slowly. I am curious about the shut out. Why does this happen? And how do I get back in? I don't do this to get high this is purely to develop my mind body and spirit, I like to beleive I'm a good person and every experience I have had has been super positive. The first time i did it, I broke through there were children like beings catching my tears and turning them into love and laughter as a lady came down made of light using music and sounds as a language. Now i get the initial feeling but with no visuals still feel my arms and body being pulled and have impressive realisations just don't get to travel.

 

[Lukeskywalker]

I really am grateful for the people here and hopefully I get some guidance. I have also noticed a "shutout" since I bought some crystals and sage for protection. I don't know if this is coincidence or if there are some crystals that can block or "protect you from this spiritual realm"

 

[Intezam]

...perhaps you are upholding "wrong views", hence the lock-out from your inner spaces?

 

[Lukeskywalker]

Perhaps. I am open to any and all suggestions on where to go from here. I did notice after my first few experiences there was this excitement for life, living healthy, eating healthy after 2 weeks I went back to grease soda and ciggerettes. I do beleive I am at fault would just like opinions on where to go from here with trying to avoid a hyperslap. I try to release all negativity and will not acknowledge negative thoughts into existence.

 

[Intezam]

....since you mentioned grease, and since we and the birdppl just had some butter sandwich we remembered reading this:

Renunciation (Skt. niḥsaraṇa; Tbt. ngé jung; Wyl. nges 'byung) — the determination to be free from samsara.

Ngé means "actually" or "definitely," and jung means to "come out," "emerge," or "be born." The fruit of frequent and deep reflection on death will be that One (1) will find One(1)self "emerging," often with a sense of disgust, from One(1)'s habitual patterns. One(1) will find One(1)self increasingly ready to let go of them, and in the end One(1) will be able to free One(1)self from them as smoothly, the (so called) masters say, "as drawing a hair from a slab of butter."

This renunciation that One(1) will come to has both sadness and joy in it: sadness because One(1) realizes the futility of One(1)'s old ways, and joy because of the greater vision that begins to unfold when One(1) is able to let go of them. This is no ordinary joy. It is a joy that gives birth to a new and profound strength, a confidence, an abiding inspiration that comes from the realization that One(1) is not condemned to One(1)'s habits, that One(1) can indeed emerge from them, that One(1) can change, and grow moar and moar free.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

ALWAYS weigh your dose!

Mckenna never mentions dose regarding DMT in the lectures I have heard...

Shulgin in TIHKAL recommends:

DOSAGE : >350 mg (orally) ( with an MAOI)
60 - 100 mg (intramuscularly)
60 - 100 mg (subcutaneously)
60 - 100 mg (smoking)
4 - 30 mg (intravenously)

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Perhaps. I am open to any and all suggestions on where to go from here. I did notice after my first few experiences there was this excitement for life, living healthy, eating healthy after 2 weeks I went back to grease soda and ciggerettes. I do beleive I am at fault would just like opinions on where to go from here with trying to avoid a hyperslap. I try to release all negativity and will not acknowledge negative thoughts into existence.

Are you extracting this DMT?

Do you ever feel fear when smoking DMT?

You are looking for something, no?

I get the feeling you are looking for something...it's not just being curious that is driving you to explore DMT

...I think this is a difficult path, trying to find answers in such places...

you may get useful transformation and insight from DMT, or any other entheogen, but it's not on demand and it's not promised, I've seen people smoke tons of DMT and never get a single bit of insight or useful gnosis or transformation...

Maybe diversify your methods, try some things that are not DMT, explore new and novel routes.

-eg

 

[DansMaTete]

ALWAYS weigh your dose!

Mckenna never mentions dose regarding DMT in the lectures I have heard...

Shulgin in TIHKAL recommends:

DOSAGE : >350 mg (orally) ( with an MAOI)
60 - 100 mg (intramuscularly)
60 - 100 mg (subcutaneously)
60 - 100 mg (smoking)
4 - 30 mg (intravenously)

-eg

I know TIHKAL is a kind of a bible for some people but i think, here at nexus, we don't promote high dose (>350mg oO !!!!) and smoking technics evolved since Shulging and 60-100mg is reckless in most of the case if you use proper vaporisation device.

So, please, take those dosage with a big grain of salt.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

ALWAYS weigh your dose!

Mckenna never mentions dose regarding DMT in the lectures I have heard...

Shulgin in TIHKAL recommends:

DOSAGE : >350 mg (orally) ( with an MAOI)
60 - 100 mg (intramuscularly)
60 - 100 mg (subcutaneously)
60 - 100 mg (smoking)
4 - 30 mg (intravenously)

-eg

I know TIHKAL is a kind of a bible for some people but i think, here at nexus, we don't promote high dose (>350mg oO !!!!) and smoking technics evolved since Shulging and 60-100mg is reckless in most of the case if you use proper vaporisation device.

So, please, take those dosage with a big grain of salt.

Hmmm...

Yes, posting just the dose range without the full TIHKAL entry can be misleading, I apologize.

But first, I made a mistake with the oral dose!

It was NOT with an MAOI, it was simply the highest dose shulgin explored orally, without effect.

with 350 mg, orally) "Completely without effect either physiological or psychological."-TIHKAL

Back to how it was misleading: shulgin does acknowledge intramuscalar dose much lower than listed:

(with 20 mg, intramuscularly) "I began to see patterns on the wall that were continuously moving. They were transparent, and were not colored. After a short period these patterns became the heads of animals, a fox, a snake, a dragon. Then kaleidoscopic images appeared to me in my inner eye, fantastically beautiful and colored."

(with 30 mg, intramuscularly) "There was eye dilation and, subjectively, some perception disturbances."

(with 50 mg, intramuscularly) "I feel strange, everything is blurry. I want my mother, I am afraid of fainting, I can't breathe."

-TIHKAL

He also lists a 30mg smoking experiance:

(with 30 mg smoked) "I spread it evenly on a joint of Tanacetum vulgare and melted it with a heat lamp. In about 30 seconds a strong light-headedness starts, with a feeling of temporal pressure. Some yellowing of the visual field. There was nothing for me to do because I had to turn complete control over to the drug. Off the plateau in 3-4 minutes and the fact that the radio was on became apparent. I was out in a few more minutes." -TIHKAL

The dose ranges are very general, they are approximate of what he determined was appropriate for the compound.

Yes, vaporization techniques have evolved, and the dose range is actually closer to what shulgin lists as IV...

...though I feel 60-100mgs for smoking is reasonable, that's my standard dose range, but I can also understand that with modern vaporization techniques this dose range would be seen as inflated.

TIHKAL is not perfect, and just like any of us shulgin makes mistakes, but PIHKAL/TIHKAL are probably the best references out there, not just for general dose, but for information of all types regarding these compounds...

I feel better referring someone to TIHKAL than I would just having them "wing it" with a "spoon" of unspecified size...

I understand though, and I apologize.

-eg

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

I'm not sure weight wise how much i do. I put a little spoon full in a peace pipe and directly light it. The first few times were unreal, i do it weekly just on the weekends but the past few times I have smoked so much and kinda stay here. Still a overall positive reflective experience just no visuals. Wondering also if I should smoke it as soon as I get it or is it weakening from being in the cupboard

I get this strange feeling of miscommunication by reading this post. You know, the "there is something REALLY awkward happening here" stuff. So I apologize if I may be telling you things you already know...

But hey, no visuals is like below nothing on the scale in my opinion. Did you even ever break through at all? Breakthrough is not about visuals or just "unreal", it's reality, time and consciousness inverting into a perfect focal point; it's the big bang in reverse (but stationary); it's the totality of existence experienced as the static moment of Creation.

And it goes "tingggg".

None of that, then that was a sub-breakthrough dose to begin with. Judging from your description of how you smoke it, you're probably wasting a huge percentage of the deem.

Anyway, regular use is regular use. My suggestion is, take time off. Then, when you feel like coming back, read up on "proper" vaping. Maybe use a dabbing pipe, those are pretty damn efficient.

 

[Nope]

I really am grateful for the people here and hopefully I get some guidance. I have also noticed a "shutout" since I bought some crystals and sage for protection. I don't know if this is coincidence or if there are some crystals that can block or "protect you from this spiritual realm"

super doubtful. those are way more for purifying your space and clarifying your intentions than they are independent instruments.

most likely your technique is flawed, either because you're sandwiching it (get a real vape, this is not worth arguing. go look up Nectar Collector, they are the wave of the future) practice holding the hits way longer and pulling them deep into your lungs. If you still can't get through after those adjustments the issue is your product.

I also never weigh my dose. The product is just too absurdly sticky. I just load up my container with more than I need and go for it. You either get a lungful or you don't, I don't see 10mg making a huge difference either way.

I do have some experience with it though, if you're new to vaping it start way small because it's crazy how much more efficient it is than a sandwich. You might spook yourself the first time for sure.

 

[Lukeskywalker]

Hey guys thanks for all the input. I was around people that taught me to smoke it just like you would Coke or meth. Vaping is a fairly new concept so there has to be other ways that work other then vaping. McKenna dosage suggestions at .20 to .30 he also talks about his .70 mg trips. Based on what everyone is saying I'll try a new method after taking a break. I beleive I have broke through but only once. There was a crackling sound and a vibration before the lift off where everything broke apart into what looked like to be fractal images. Then there was a piercing ring and then almost silence where I felt I had arrived into my sub concious, I was greeted by what seemed to be children playing. And a lady of light talking to me in sound. I do still get scared cause of some of the beings people encounter sound so surreal and powerful it does scare me so maybe I'm being apprehensive and not fully taking a large enough hit. I really thank all of you for your input and wish us all safe travels.

️

 

[Lukeskywalker]

Can you give me a few names of vapes I can buy that would bevon the market in Australia. I'm keen to get to the other side

 

[Nope]

Nectar Collector. I don't know if they ship there but I assume they do and there is no easier vape method available. Instead of a hot "nail" and a vape hood and all that you hear a hollow quartz "straw" and simply "suck" up your product through the tip where it vaporizes.

Easiest, least equipment heavy piece available and comes with a neat travel kit.

 

[Lukeskywalker]

Thanks I'm going to order. What would be your recomended dosage out of this

 

[Nope]

Like I said I don't ever weigh it out. It comes with a little glass collector tray that holds your product. So you heat the nail and kind of "press it" (not really) to the product and inhale. So my normal go to is to put way more than I want on there (I'm a multiple take offs per session guy), take a deep lungful, hold it, see how you feel. If you need more take more but being in a preblast state and trying to load more onto the tray is a pain at best so I always put more on there than I need. That way there's more if I want and if I don't it just sticks to the tray til next time.

So I would say eyeball an amount that scares you and put half that on the tray, take an inhale and see where that gets you. With a proper vape rig you can break through on one toke. For sure by 3. Not like a sandwich where you havento tease the flame and heat the bowl and pull pull pull and if you're lucky you inhaled enough during that golden moment you have before the crystals either burn or melt into your bowl.