The Elusive Word

[MNL]

Hey, fellow Nexians!

I keep encountering a phenomenon in hyperspace, and I'm curious if others have had the same experience and what you make of it.

In the midst of a trip, I will often come to a point where I get a strong sensation, it is impossible to define, but it feels like it's "the real deal", the important point we're trying to get at, the "ineffable nature"

Quite intuitively, my mind starts out saying the word for this phenomenon or concept, and it feels crystal clear, but as the word it said, it crumbles into a meaningless blahblahblah and leads to a laughing fit, almost as if I'm laughing at my own silly attempt to define the ineffable.

The word "feels" like it is made out of several real words. Several real words come to mind as constituents, but it is impossible to place them. As the word is said, it's like there is a syllable I am missing, but as I try to grasp it, it slips away into nothing, into blablabla. It is almost as if I know the word only when I am unaware that I know, whenever I try to hang on to it, to remember it or say it, it drifts away. It starts out as a mix of syllables from many different words and then dissolves into blablabla and laughter.

For me, the words that seem to feel like parts of the word are (their Norwegian counterparts more precisely, as I am Norwegian) Shangri-la, Brazil, incense, the name of the place where I grew up, beautiful and the concept of orgasm, not the word but the concept. All the time though, there feels like there is a key word missing, a word which is nearly there, but that I can't grasp.

Have any of you had this experience? What do you make of it? Which are the words that make up "word"?

Please share your experience, or ask for clarification if this made absolutely no sense to you

 

[TOXSIN]

Maybe its not a word, but your mind translates it as a word, not everyone has the same words, but everyone can think, maybe the word is only displayed as a word so you can understand it, and anyone who travels in that space can understand it. Imagine being brought up with no language but still living in a world similar today just no books no words of course there would be someway to communicate but would your thoughts come in words? Would we think at all? The bi-cameral mind as a way to explain people hearing the voice of god in the old days stating that, one half of our brain used to dominate the other, and literally tell it to do things based on instinct.Going back to what if we never had words maybe telepathy used to be the universal language spoken of before babel maybe, some unknown power brought speech to us telling us the world would be better that way, where as speech causes most of the problems in the world in many ways.

Our ability to speak gives us the ability to openly pick someone apart, and point out there differences.

Speaking causes confusion among foreigners and people who even have a slightly different accent or slang words from their natural area, they might mis-hear or misunderstood what you said taking offense.

This has been a thought I've kinda had for a while though. As for your specific word I've never had that particular experience but I know I've had experiences that simply leave me saying, "this is how it really is, never forget this!"

However I've never tried to attach a word to it or had an entity try to tell me a word for it, also another problem with words is as humans we rationalize things by attaching words to them, this takes away the magic of things sometimes, I'm not against science or language by all means, but if lightning had never had a word for it, and was never studied it would be an almost magical thing. It and similar things still have a somewhat mystical presence in our lives occasionally but nowhere near as they used to be. Maybe this is why during some trips I actually have an opposite sort of effect if I start over thinking how to explain things its like something speeds up my minds ability to explain but slows down my ability to integrate what I'm thinking to myself, this is best explained as a long sequence of words with no place being next to each other in sentence, phrase, or paragraph like literally strings of words just get thrown by me faster than I can comprehend and I have two choices when this occurs. Forget explaining everything and relax to allow it to go away, or try to think through the maddening speed of these incomprehensible words deepening my anxiety, and making things go faster.

 

[Mustelid]

When transitioning into hyperspace, I tend to get the words, "purpoinq oinquleshpent."

The meaning that seems to attach them doesn't really have context outside that particular space.

 

[Orion]

'Fuck'

- House

See also: 'FuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUU-'

 

[MNL]

I'm thinking the same thing. That it crumbles beacuse it is not meant to be put into a word, like it will lose the magic, or like me trying to find the word just symbolizes an attachment to linguistic description. It is what it is, a word for it will no make it clearer or alter it.

 

[Bigsuccabusta]

I think I know exactly what you're talking about, the moment when you reach total zen and you can feel a sensation running through your body that feels like every positive emotion you could imagine.
I've tried to define it before, the feeling is something that transcends language , but here's my best attempt anyways:

Harmonious & Chaotic Bliss

harmonious
1.(esp of colours or sounds) fitting together well
2.having agreement or consensus
3.tuneful, consonant, or melodious

chaotic
1.complete disorder; utter confusion
2.( usually capital ) the disordered formless matter supposed to have existed before the ordered universe

bliss
1.perfect happiness; serene joy
2.the ecstatic joy of heaven

 

[Mustelid]

With much meditation and integration, I think I've solved my own, "purpoinq oinquleshpent" mystery. I believe those to be the worlds my brain's language center have placed on the combination of GVG and swirling patterns growing on it as my language center shut down just before lift-off.

 

[○]

Hyperspace is translinguistic, as it seems to be outside the domain of language. The people that i've turned onto DMT and myself included always end up laughing coming out of the experience. As you come back from the experience, your mind tends to run through many thoughts, trying to put into description through language what had just happened. This ( for me and others) tends to be followed by much laughter, because you realize trying to describe the experience through language is like trying to put a square peg in a circular hole, for it can't be done with simple success. It's fun to try though.

much love,
tat

 

[TOXSIN]

Hyperspace is translinguistic, as it seems to be outside the domain of language. The people that i've turned onto DMT and myself included always end up laughing coming out of the experience. As you come back from the experience, your mind tends to run through many thoughts, trying to put into description through language what had just happened. This ( for me and others) tends to be followed by much laughter, because you realize trying to describe the experience through language is like trying to put a square peg in a circular hole, for it can't be done with simple success. It's fun to try though.

much love,
tat

Great way to put it I find the same thing occurring.

 

[MNL]

Bigsuccabusta, what you describe pretty much hits the nail on the head for my experience as well, nicely put.

It's funny, Mustelid, but when I read your unique word, it seems kinda familiar for some reason. Weird.

 

[cubeananda]

Be. Behold.

 

[Use any name]

I came,on a journey, to a point at which I realized that I and everything else were always doing "this one thing". I could never think of "this one thing" as separate from the things that were expressions of "this one thing". I could never say what "this one thing" was, without using an expression as a focus point, but using an expression as a focus point made it impossible to communicate the thing behind the expression, which was what I was really thinking about. I wanted people to realize that I was trying to show them the thing behind the expression, but it seemed they could only see the expression, and I wasn't sure if they knew what I meant. I started thinking that the thought I was having was the base of expression, so I couldn't talk about it properly because everything was an example of it. Each time I arrived at the thought behind the thought I used a different expression to get there, some weren't even real words and some were just bodily gestures. I don't know if this is what you are talking about, but as you say, when I start to define it, it looses meaning because it isn't what I am saying.

Sorry if this is a bit convoluted.

 

[adam]

I have never had the need to put the experience into a linguistic construct in the midst of a trip. Certainly as you come down I think the words that come to mind are important in integrating an experience, this also in my opinion has to do with your set and setting before take off. The words that come to mind about my experiences are all positive words. While words clearly do not do a peak experience any justice I believe phrases like pure love, clear bliss, and mad ecstasy associate strongly to the experience in terms of emotion felt. The first thing I remember thinking in terms of a word was, "GOD" , and i previously was agnostic haha.

 

[thymamai]

"Undr"


"He spoke the word Uñar, which means
wonder."