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The portal to other worlds is still open; smells like trouble

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DMT has the potential to do that. I now don't need to take DMT because I permanently bridged the gap, so of course I understand.
I don't take any drugs though.

What the OP needs is time. Time to think, and meditate. The OP is the only person who can help himself. We can only offer our perspectives, and that sometimes can be very helpful. I know, because the nexus helped me a lot when I needed it.
But in the end, it was me that made the decision to grow up and be strong, and let go of that which was menacing me into delusions.
 
fwaggle said:
This is already more than I could have hoped for.

Thank you everyone. :D

-f
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This post along with the fact Fwaggle has only ever posted relating to eraniks posts seems a little odd to me. im not saying you are the same person aiming to provoke some sort of response.. but something about this whole thread seems a bit off.
 
Guagua said:
This post along with the fact Fwaggle has only ever posted relating to eraniks posts seems a little odd to me. im not saying you are the same person aiming to provoke some sort of response.. but something about this whole thread seems a bit off.
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Agreed
 
wow, what is going on here?

fwaggle, may I suggest you consider using e-prime in your posts? They will come over much less *i know it all*-like if you make it clear that you are simply stating your own oppinion (by using 'it seems to me this is so and so' rather than saying 'this is so and so').
Also I find it unlikely that you know all of us in this forum, know how deep we've gone and our experiences, but your posts quite clearly seem like you think you do. Perhaps you have some interesting points but I think most people that read your posts will just feel you are being hostile and unpleasant and it will be hard to find any valuable points for discussion in them for most.

Now reading this thread I still don#t really know what you are trying to get at. I have to agree with house on the whole Shaman thing. There are many ways to look at things, taking *the other side* at face value, stating it is real and has a specific effect and a benefit is a bit too linear for my taste and for my experience. Doing nothing with the experiences we have of course would be a waste, but I also find it is impossible to do nothing with them, because our mind will work with them whether we like it or pursue it consciously or not.
Of course there are more active ways of trying to *do* something with what you've experienced, but also psychedelics aren't some kind of vending machine, where you throw in a few molecules and a few hours and you get out a soda can of divine juice, enlightenment or spirit healing jedi super powers. There isn't always a clear take-home message or a discrete gain from an experience. To me, all is part of a process, an unravelling of many different layers and levels. The complexity of our existence is immense and I find your ideas of what we as users should be as opposed to what you seem to think we are a bit too narrow, and maybe a bit too naive. As endless stated above, we don't really know anything. And I think most of us here are trying to do our best in navigating through this world - this world containing both hyperspace and real space, or more generally speaking all experiential-realities.

So please try to lower the hostility level here.

Much love
Enoon
 
fwaggle said:
The fact that he un-intentionally stumbled across DMT and got where he is now after only one "breakthrough" is indication of an impersonal force guiding men's acts.
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Or it could be indication of a serious medical problem, i.e. HPPD.

What is defined as a permanent breakthrough or transformation of self to one person is HPPD to another. He's made it clear that he isn't okay with this persistent tripping-balls state. He doesn't like it. It's interfering with his life. It's making him unhappy(!!!) so I just don't think it's fair to automatically assume this is a good thing for him and tell him to simply adjust to this new state like he's the chosen one or something. He reacted with the drug this way because of something to do with his biology, nothing more nothing less. It's like he decided to take a vacation to somewhere completely different to get some new perspectives but now he can't return.

It doesn't matter if others have sweated blood to get to what he's experiencing(basically permatrip:?) because this isn't what he wants. So I really don't see how advising him to dig deeper and take more of what got him in this situation in the first place is going to help better his situation.
 
fwaggle said:
I'm sorry you all seem to feel that way. Just goes to show we don't see eye-to-eye on anything at all.

-f
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actually it just shows that you've read a bunch of books on spirituality but feel they pertain to other people. you know the lingo but your very words show us all your poker hand in full sight. your claims of being so much more advanced and knowledgeable than everyone here negates the very claims. how do you not see this irony?

like i said your not original. there seems to be 1 a month that comes here with the "you guys arent as advanced as i" attitude.
good people like endlessness are so much more patient than i. he has seen this so many times before that he doesnt even get rattled. this shows to me how funny it is that you feel he hasnt been where you have been, and done what you've done. my friend....if these replys are your true colors, you couldnt shine his shoes.
 
Please read the thread again, and see if you still really think its the other people that are being defensive and unreasonable, and still dont understand why people answered you they way they did.

And im sorry but I dont understand your question. "Man needs a new description in light of what dmt shows" ? This is way too generic.

This thread was about a man who is in trouble, is suffering and asked for feedback. If you want to start a philosophical discussion, feel free to start a new thread regarding "man needing a new description in light of what dmt shows" (whatever it is that this means, I would hope you would explain yourself better in that other thread). Just please be respectful about it.


BTW, I really mean it when I ask you to re-read the thread calmly again.
 
Wow! I totally understand the need for The Nursery now. OP was obviosly frightened and looking for help and insight and Fwaggle has jumped right in the way. Like House, I would not be surprised if this is a troll thread.

Keep me in the nursery as long as you need to Mods. I totally understand.
This thread made my head hurt.
 
Fwaggle - you are profoundly exploiting the patience and underestimating the good nature, wisdom and experience of many of the fine member's of this forum. Why do you ask if olympus mon, whose experiences incidently are of someone with a pretty profound understanding of some of the more challenging things life has to throw at us, if he can't imagine someone having a deeper understanding of life than him? This is the question of a megalomaniac. I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror. Perhaps it is you that need to exhibit a little more humility.

Where's mr van de lay when you need him...8)

And to all: while well intentioned and very generous, i suggest you stop wasting your patience and time and experience on this poster(s?!!)

And fwaggle, we would love nothing more than to welcome you to the nexus, but man, are you making that difficult with this whiny self righteous and ridiculously unoriginal drivel.

JBArk
 
jbark said:
Where's mr van de lay when you need him...8)
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I've been taking it all in from the sidelines while consuming my morning joe. I would have chimed in, but I don't really see the point of debating this weirdo. I'm just kinda hoping he'll go away. We've seen this shtick before.

To the OP - I'm sorry to hear that you are experiencing integration issues. They're really not so uncommon. With discontinued use and the passage of time, they will almost certainly fade. If not, you may have larger issues to contend with that have been exacerbated by the experience. In any case, I believe you were right to look to a mental health professional for assistance. Don't give in to the advice of flakey, self-professed neighborhood "shaman". Spinning off the planet is never the answer, nor is ramming enlightenment up the ass of the philistine world around you.
 
fwaggle said:
@olympus mon: Is it so hard for you to imagine someone who has a deeper understanding of life than you do?
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I think Olympus Moon wouldn't find it hard to imagine someone having deeper understanding of the mechanics of reality than himself. But to think you do would just be wrong.
You talk like you know it all but you sound like an ignorant smartass.

Your attitude here shows us how you are far behind most people on this forum.

You're like a guy that has read the books but never had the experience.
 
fwaggle said:
Why is everyone so bent on discrediting me? I'm nobody. And yet I think the message I'm conveying to you should be at least worth thinking about without so much defense.

It is understandable that we value our description of the world. And lets just assume that my description is a load of crap. Is there any dispute about whether man needs a new description today? Is this not what we need to be doing in light of what DMT shows us?

Please consider me already defeated. But don't resort to nonsense out of frustration.

-f
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I agree with you on modern mans view of the world. Something needs to be done that is true.

But as far as your "message" goes.. Im not quite sure where your going with it.
I believe people are "discrediting" you because most people here have already looked into the views you are describing.
 
Mr. fwaggle...

You are the self proclaimed "humble man" who takes pride in his humility and yet, you are entirely blind to the contradiction...

Having read the comments thus far...I really don't know what to say, other than to agree with Art and humbly ask...Would you please go away? You clearly do not wish to engage this forum and its members in any meaningful or positive manner and this ruffling of feathers is most unwelcome. I do not understand why you are so fixated on this comparative quality of who is having "deeper" or "more meaningful" experiences, but here at the Nexus, this is really not how we engage each other.

Endless, I really dunno how you do it man, but you are always such an incredible example of dealing with these individuals in a calm, collected and respectful manner. I hope everything's going well with life and we can catch up soon.

peace
SB
 
Can we lock this topic and ban this poster already? I mean, I think it's clear that everyone who fwaggle has attacked has made more than valid attempts at defending the integrity of the OP (provided it's not fwaggle himself), the integrity of the nexus and of course their own personal integrities. I think this thread is bringing nothing but negativity because it's clear that no matter how rational or sensible the responses are, fwaggle will either resort to one of his over-generalized, empty one-liners (which usually don't even address the issue in the first place) or resort to insulting another poster. I think that keeping this thread open will contribute virtually nothing beyond negativity.
 
Eranik, I have had what you describe off and on for many years, the waking dream stuff. I've had it long before ever touching any drugs. Psychedelics do not seem to cause any increase in the phenomenon for me. I have noticed that my waking dream experiences have been more positive since experiencing psych's... but that may be because I am much happier and better off in general since taking them. Anyway, the good news is, you are probably not going crazy. I thought for sure I was going crazy when it happened to me because it was like dreaming before getting to sleep, or waking up and the dream continues for a while. So, I assumed that I might go around hallucinating all the time, and thinking weird stuff. Not so. It only happens at night. Apparently, it is common for people to have sleep disturbances like this, in which there is a mix of dream and sleep. For a beginner, it can be pretty scary. I was shocked when I went to a doctor and he didn't seem concerned at all about what I was going through. I was like, "how are you not concerned about this!? I'm seeing things that aren't there." And he was just like, "you're just having vivid dreams. It's very common". He did prescribe me some medicine. The medicine might have made the situation even worse because it seemed to cause even more dreams.

And yes, the weird body load feeling is also common. Some people experience sleep paralysis and can't move at all, but they're awake. There are different neurological processes going on at sleep time. The difference in those proccesses is what you experience as a body load, as well as an altered state of consciousness. But most people are not aware at that time of their cycle, so they don't experience that dizzy, heavy, stuck in a void feeling. Anyway, the good news is that I just learned to live with it, and I accept that weird night time experiences probably will always happen to me. The best I can do is relax and accept it and enjoy the ride. And that's fine because I have had some amazing experiences in those in between states as well. And of course, as others have said, don't take what you see literally. And of course, don't take any more psychoactive things.

fwaggle said:
I think he sounds coherent enough to be able to judge what is what for himself. You on the other hand sound like someone who has never been to the other world where language has no meaning.
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I read that and I was like, "what kind of people does he think he's talking to?". Then I noticed he was actually talking to Endlessness. I lol'd. An instant snip at one of the highest ranking mods at site dedicated to the discussion of the otherwordly.

I would like to think that fwaggle's attitude highlights what the general attitude of the nexus is not. In the nexus attitude page, it states that dmt and life is a mystery. That users find more questions than answers, or in other words, find more doors to open, rather than close. Therefore, we do not generally assume to know ultimate answers, as we have found that every truth we think we know seems to reveal a deeper truth, or alternate truth. As for me, I allow the medicine to work in many ways, but not in a self righteous way in which I believe I know everything, and others don't know stuff.
 
I think we need the Nexian Eranik to chip in with his responses to the replies made.Im sure, as fwaggle says, h/she is capable enough-certainly to give some more input into this thread him/her-self.
 
fwaggle you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You are simply insulting every member of the community here. What is it that you want? It is not even like you have offered any alternative aside from babbling about meatspace and some such nonsense. Who are you to judge what is worthwhile and what not, by the way? Who are you to think you know what we are getting out at all.
I think you seriously need to reconsider your attitude and your arrogance. Just because you think you have had some kind of epiphany doesn't make you the chosen savior of man-kind, and it certainly doesn't mean that all other experiences and interpretations thereof are worthless. One must always at least consider that one could also be completely wrong in ones assumptions and beliefs. You however are so sure of yourself, it pains me to read your posts. Especially after all the sensible replies the OP and you have received here. And what is worse, you don't even have anything to offer other than empty words that are super general and absolutely vague and inapplicable.
If you really want to incite a change in people because you think you have an idea to create a positive transformation, then THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT. And I'm sure your social interactions skills don't suck that bad so that you don't know it. My question then is what are your motivations to post these things if they are not what you say they are? Is it just to annoy us, to insult us?
way to go! You've succeeded at that.

cheers
Enoon
 
well, rather than pointing fingers at who is not open to new ways or some such bs, I'll let you know I was severely amused by your post, because you continue to judge people without knowing the first thing about them, in this case me, in such a condescending manner it's actually impossible to take you serious.
Also the idea of *asking* ayahuasca for whether you are full of shit is ludicrous to me at least; I don't believe such questions are answered in any fashion, and if they were I would not waste a perfectly good ayahuasca trip on you or your nonsense. Also I thought ayahuasca was a SHE...?

So far I have yet to see WHAT you are ranting about. Even your meatspace post was incoherent and revealed no real information. You do know that language is there to convey meaning and information, not only to attack and insult?
Unfortunately it seems that no matter what any of us say to you, it will not help; you simply continue to believe that while your message is of tremendous importance no one understands it, and conclude that we are thus wasting our time. Yet you also fail to convey your message by any means. No one here seems to be able to convince you otherwise, probably because it is convenient to believe what you do, for whatever means you are pursuing.

I shouldn't have answered here in the first place, I'm just giving you ground to continue your misguided belligerence.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL
...

Enoon
 
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