The portal to other worlds is still open; smells like trouble

[Eranik]

Since this trip I didn't take DMT or any other psychedelic, and I think something strange happened to me.

The matter of fact is each day, just as sun comes down and hides beneath the horizon, my head begins to feel that warm fuzzy DMT highness, then some very mild and minor visuals occure, but the psychological effect is very very strong, almost like a full DMT dose, spirits talk to me in my mind and I experience all those touchy DMT senses (melting of body, descending into the black hole).

The spirits ask me to let go of this world and follow them to their own world forever, everytime I close my eyes and try to sleep they appear stronger and stronger, that is something I have to fight constantly to refuse, the psychological feeling is veeery strong that I feel if I don't try to refuse and let go they will take me to their world forever.

The more I refuse them, the stronger the effects become, sometimes with eyes closed I see "still images" of entities, like portrait pictures and trust me they don't look funny or friendly.

After 3 nights without sleeping (I can't sleep with all these effects, I believe if I sleep they will take me forever) the effects became the strongest, and I was going mad and schizophrenic, I started to lost the memory of who I am and where I am for some minutes and then realize who I am again multiple times, It was very scary to know I was beginning to lose my mind.

Then I went to a psychiatrist, he prescribed me with multiple anti-psychotic pills and I was finally able to sleep and the effects vanished. but the effects may come back when I finish the medication period.

What do you think about this?

Edit: BTW even on anti-psychotic drugs, I still experience some minor visual distortions in objects, sounds like HPPD to me.

 

[۩]

try not to take it too seriously,
problem solved.

Edit: BTW even on anti-psychotic drugs, I still experience some minor visual distortions in objects, sounds like HPPD to me.

well, you are taking obscure pharmaceuticals.

 

[hayguyman]

Have you tried meditating in your hyper-state?

That is so awesome but unnerving to say the least.
I think you should go to an Ayahuasca ceremony, talk to an experienced curandero. I've experienced that they are very good at helping one through a tripping crisis..

 

[Guagua]

I agree with the above. Part of it sounds amazing, especially if you can being to understand and meditate in the spirit world. However, definitely scary.. and overwhelming. I would also.recommend a good shaman and some aya ceremonies(careful when ur taking the drugs) I remember in 'other' worlds the doc, the main guy feels like he goes scitzofrenic and the shaman works with it and brings him back. Try not to let it scare you but seek some help from those that truly understand that realm. Good luck

 

[endlessness]

I do not think you should take more psychedelics, I disagree with the recommendations above.

I agree with what house said, he had first hand trouble with dmt after stopping using it so his opinion is very relevant I think. Try not to take the experience too seriously, in a similar way that you would take a nightmare, which even if is very strong, you still know deep down that life goes on and that you shouldnt be over-bothered with it.

Are you exercising and eating healthy? It might sound silly but it does make all the difference in the world in incorporating your experiences back to normal life.

By the way, after 3 nights no sleep its obvious you are "losing your mind", anybody would, lack of sleep can create some serious disturbances regardless of previous drug use. Please sleep! "They" wont get you forever if you sleep just like it never ever ever happened.

Sleep, exercise, eat well, study, dedicate to other things, try not to give too much importance to the experiences. Do not take other drugs.

Good luck!

 

[endlessness]

What if he is just having genuine psychological problems and you are advising him in a way that can just feed the delusions and worsen the problems?

 

[endlessness]

Way to go for judging me

So let me get this straight, you are saying that delusions dont exist at all, ever, and that all the times that someone claims contact with spirits, it is literally true?

 

[endlessness]

My point is that you seem to jump into conclusions with so much certainty by just reading someone's words on a post without realizing that you may be interpreting it wrong and that your own words may have direct negative consequences to someone's life.

Also my point is that, while I do appreciate the fact that when someone has a different subjective experience it doesnt necessarily mean they are having a mental problem, it does happen sometimes. Psychological difficulties do exist, you know, and they need to be carefully addressed. Im not saying it is for sure either way in his case, because I simply dont know, and neither do you, but I think we should be prudent.

If he came here saying: "hey, I've been contacting spirits but its cool Im dealing with it and im able to continue my life, be healthy and fulfill my responsibilities", I would be perfectly fine with it. But thats not the case. He is coming here expressing serious concerns for a condition that prevents him even from sleeping (!!!), that bothers him very much subjectively to the point where he cant continue his life and had to go to a doctor and also care enough to ask us for help. This is sign enough for me that its not a simple issue. If he cant integrate his experiences and be healthy in normal life, regardless of what model you use to explain the experiences, then it is something that deserves big attention and care.

So im bothered that you tell him to "do nothing", and talk with an absolute certainty that you know what is happening. This is very troublesome attitude in many levels. Please think a bit more about your own words.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Since i started using dmt every time i wake upp at night i´m in sub breakthrough land, tryptamin visions with every object looking multiplied etc...

Usually i´m just in the need to take a piss and sometimes it can be frustrating trying to navigate around tripping balls.

 

[endlessness]

I have been exactly where Eranik has been, which is more than I can say for you.

How do you know? You keep judging me over and over, why such a confrontational attitude? Its not me vs you, this is not a competition. Im genuinely concerned by our fellow member here and trying to help him out.

And on another note, I have met Eranik in person and I can assure you that he is strong enough to deal with this.

Is anybody here saying he is not ultimately strong enough to deal with it? Fact is, he came to the forum asking for feedback/help, im giving him my perspective to hopefully getting him to deal better with the experience. Why would he ask for help here, and go to a doctor and take medication if it was all fine?

Rest assured neither you nor modern science is equipped to deliever Eranik to power.

Why did he go to a doctor ? What is 'power'? How do you know what can and cant help him? And why do you equate me with a certain model of modern science, if im personally saying that it doesnt matter how you itnerpreted the experience, as long as he is integrating it and being healthy in his life.

Eranik posted his problem here to see how many other people have had identical experiences.

Maybe you know something we dont but he didnt ask anything in his post about 'people with identical experiences', he rather asked generally what we all think

All they can do is label him a schizophrenic, drown him in medication and/or lock him up in a mental institution. That isn't the only outcome he can hope for.

No, you're wrong, I know first hand that there are several different ways that health professionals can treat you which are not just drown in medication and lock him up. There are reasonable conscious health professionals, you know?

BTW, eranik, here's another tip: You could try contacting someone of the likes of Charles Grob or Rick Strassman to ask if they know if any good open minded health professionals in your area, or if they can give any feedback. They are busy people but who knows, they might answer you (I've already contacted charles grob before for other issues and he did write back)

I am sure you aren't qualified to handle such a case but your perspective is appreciated nonetheless.

Is it really appreciated? I read your words as very condescending to me... Please be respectful to me as you would like to be respected too.

 

[DMTripper]

Hey Eranik I think you should stay away from psychedelics for a good time.
And another advice would be to watch out for this fwaggle dude. He sounds like he doesn't know jack what he's talking about.
Listen to him and you might end up locked in a place you don't want to be in against your will.

Yes maybe you're a real shaman, but maybe you're just loosing your mind.
Don't take any chances now. Give it some time, then decide what to do.

 

[corpus callosum]

I tend to agree with Endlessness here; Im also a little perturbed that a doctor would prescribe multiple anti-psychotics for this predicament which is clearly not a psychotic disorder.

May I ask which meds and dosages you are on?

I think for the symptoms you describe I would suggest clonazepam 2mg to be taken 45 minutes before bedtime-this should allow your anticipatory anxiety to ease and would allow you more easily to say 'Right,ok, I WILL come along with you entities and see what happens'. I doubt this will render you psychotic, or 'lost' forever. With proper 'insanity' one is not given any choice in the matter.

And as Endlessness said, keep away from the pyschedelics, including weed should you participate, for a time.

 

[Guagua]

^^seems a little odd this reply.

Any way, upon reading endless' response I'd like him and apologies for jumping out with what was a very unthought out reply to what was essentially a serious request for guidance. It's easy to get caught up in the fantasy of things from behind a screen, but these things should not be take lightly.


( I'm not saying other world are fantasy or a good shaman couldn't help. But the truth is I know very little, and am.not in a position to give advice. )

 

[drob]

Hi Eranik, seeing as you went to see a Psychiatrist - maybe you could look for a depth/jungian/transpersonal psychologist/psychotherapist to get a different professional perspective on the things you've been experiencing?

Hope it all works out well for you,

drob

 

[endlessness]

Ok let me try to put it this way:

1- If there's anything that these substances (or life) has shown me over the years is that we know nothing. I find it weird how you seem so sure about everything, so confident and talking in absolute terms. I am not even sure that all of reality isnt an illusion created in a matrix kind of scenario, how can you be so sure of what other people in an internet forum are like, what psychedelics really mean, what eranik needs, what experience I have, etc etc?

2- What proof do you have that the dmt/psychedelic world is "real" ? (Note this question doesnt come with an answer from me, I simply dont know and it doesnt matter for me to be honest, check this thread for a thorough discussion on the subject. But if you act so confident about it, might as well show us the proof )

3- Regardless of what you are saying, the way you say it comes out (at least in my opinion, others should feel free to voice what they think) very confrontational, judgemental and disrespectful. This is directly against our attitude, which are our basic guidelines for behavior in this forum. If you are not happy with this, dont feel this is the place for you or dont want to respect our guidelines, feel free to leave.

 

[gibran2]

For all the psychedelic use that is prevalent among the people of this forum not one of them is prepared to deal with the real power of these substances. This thread is proof of just that.

To me the idea of recreational use of psychedelics is horrendous. Does anyone realize that DMT+Harmala actually takes a man's whole being away to another world? The physical body becomes useless and meaningless for all practical purposes in that place. This includes the mind and all the experiences it has stored.

It is quite clear that no one here really knows what they are doing. It would be bliss if someone proved me wrong.

Please unleash everything you've got to pound this idiot (me) back into his place.
Please someone help Eranik.

-f

I actually tend to agree with your first statement – no one can be “prepared” for certain DMT experiences. It just isn’t possible. But most of the people of this forum already know that, so what’s your point in restating the obvious?

Many (most?) members of this forum are not recreational users of DMT. At all but lower sub-breakthrough dosage levels, it would be very hard to call DMT “recreational”. And most experienced users of DMT are very familiar with OBEs. So once again, you’re simply stating the obvious. Apparently you haven’t read very many posts yet. If you had, you would understand things better.

In a practical, technical sense, many members of this forum know exactly what they’re doing. In a deeper, philosophical or spiritual sense, it might be true that no one here (or anywhere else) really knows what they’re doing. But that’s just the nature of existence, and not specific to DMT use or members of this forum.

 

[۩]

Speaking from personal experience, I think believing one is a shaman in todays society is like believing one is a viking at the super market.
We must adapt, and evolve.

If you want to administer illegal substances to people in circles of old traditions and pose as a guide/healer/shaman then be my guest. There's actually good money in it right now. It blows my mind that some of these "ayahuasqeros" charge 250$+ for a cup of freaking ayahuasca touring around the united states.

I have no community to serve (unless you count the entirety of the human race). I have no spirits (or sky people) to contact and dance with all night singing visible songs to. It is just me, the mysteries of consciousness, and the keys that flip the mode. (and you, hello)

I learned on my own, and by following the paths carved out by those before me, who have logged their foot steps in precision.
I have gone mad over trying to realize how to be a shaman. I did so until I realized this dream was bunk.
I am who I am, without any labels necessary. I could successfully administer and guide, but I don't want to.
I can see into your soul and know through harmonic vibrations what and where needs work. Whether it's physical, or mental.
These abilities and experiences can act as a double edged sword. For instance, the empathy I now experience at all times can induce extreme pain. This is just one example, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Deeper is better, if you ask me.
I have realized there are greater, more legal, and more scientific ways to go about these things than shamanism has to offer our rapidly evolving society.

Through minimalization, one can see the entirety of the whole.
Hence why my first post was so short.

I have been where this man is now.
Truly, all it takes is some meditation, relaxation, letting go, focusing your energy and importance elsewhere.
There are no spirits. The spirits are us.
You will literally go batshit insane trying to believe in them, contact them, etc-
Let it go.

You are you. You've been shown another layer. That's all.
Consciousness and the imagination are some of the most powerful things we have in our entire reality, and we don't even nearly understand it.

Shamanism is a perfect system for those living in places like the amazon, or the bwiti iboga tribes,
but come on. Things are different now.

Many of us here have bits and pieces of what one could consider to be shamanic traits, but we are just people.

People who go from mode to mode. In one moment im a chef, the other moment, a lover. Then I'm a musician, and then I'm just sleeping.
And then, on those rare special occasions, when we're all sitting around a fire, and I appear to be the alpha of the group, maybe, just maybe, you could call me a shaman.
and I'd smile....knowing the roles we embody from time to time.

A person is a person just as much as they are every mode they spin through.


In other words. Give it time, you'll be fine.
You're playing with fire that has the ability to burn the most ridiculous delusions into your psyche.
Fight fire with fire, and burn whoever you once were to the ground.
Solve et coagula. Destroy to recreate.

We are reborn with clean slates. Let us not taint them with anchors.

 

[endlessness]

Very nice post house

 

[۩]

"@house: To me a shaman is nothing more than someone who navigates the other world and (optionally) brings back knowledge for the masses. Some people are more fit for such a task and they will come by the means for such exploration without the slightest intention."

If you comprehended my post, you would know that a shaman is just a mode that we all can embody from time to time.
Even shamans are sometimes not shamans.
To lump a person into a soul label is ineffective.

The OP will be perfectly fine.
I used to curse DMT for what it did to me.
Now I fucking love it ;]

 

[olympus mon]

It is quite clear that no one here really knows what they are doing. It would be bliss if someone proved me wrong.

Please unleash everything you've got to pound this idiot (me) back into his place.
-f

wow thats a bold statement. on what grounds have you determined this?

you wanted both barrels here ya go,
your arrogance is from a place of delusional grandeur. this is not the first time someone with your inflated views of themselves and others feel the need to chime in with a condescending attitude. you not an original, not by a long shot. your just another whack job taking somethings far too serious and others things not serious enough. the fact that you think you are the only one that can "save" this original poster is pretty funny. i would not trust you with a sick hamster let alone a sick person.

basically your full of shit and all the fancy esoteric words dont hide that.