I remember thinking this thread is somewhat cringe to read when I came across it a while back. Many are looking for some form of acclaim or to feel that they have made some contribution so that is understandable, and Palmer
has contributed to popularising this significantly so that should be acknowledged.
That said, I remember learning about what Changa was several years ago, and thinking "thats a good idea". I then recall my initial reaction when told it was 'invented' by someone.
that probably just means a random person here or there was struck with this incredibly obvious idea
I mean, the plant alchemy is there in the Ayahuasca brew...drinking an MAOI and DMT together.
What does it mean to 'invent' the idea of smoking them together instead? Surely its just another ROA?
these modern-day experiments have a lineage that appears to go back millenia.
I would definitely concur that anything involving consuming DMT and MAOI's whether that is drinking, smoking or some combination of them goes back millenia and was simply rediscovered in the modern era.
Also, Palmer says this:
I have never discounted that people smoked DMT with MAOI’s, I was aware of Gracie and Zarkov’s work for sure. It was however pointed out that Gracie and Zarvov did not smoke the Ayahuasca at the same time as the DMT. And I have never said that smoking DMT with an MAOI was something I started. Of course I was aware of the McKenna’s smoking ayahuasca vine wth the mushrooms. I was ALSO aware of an Australian researcher who was smoking MAOI’s and then taking DMT orally.
I’m saying the whole package was a new development and a new creation. And that was when Changa was born. I don’t define changa as smoking ayahuasca vine or an MAOI and THEN smoking DMT. It is a mix with the ayahuasca vine or leaf and other herbs in the whole package and that is what defines it.
So it seems he is here saying the idea was seeded by the Gracie and Zarkov article.
However, they smoked the MAOI and then smoked DMT after so it 'doesnt count'....
In terms of smoking DMT with MAOI's it's this order of power and potency:
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Drink the MAOI like Peganum Harmala or Caapi tea, then wait an hour and smoke the DMT/Enhanced Leaf.
This is the ideal way of doing it to enhance, lengthen and deepen smoking or vaping DMT.
Otherwise
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Smoke the MAOI (like caapi leaf or Peganum harmala boiled down resin), then wait a few minutes and smoke the DMT/Enhanced leaf.
This is what Gracie and Zarkov had written of. Not as potent or effective as drinking the MAOI first, but some people don't like drinking it so for pure smoking do it like this.
Lastly
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Smoking the DMT with the MAOI combined together (aka Changa). This is the least effective of the methods and produces the least powerful effects. However its the one that's become popularized.
I suppose many people cant be bothered to just wait 10 minutes after smoking straight caapi leaf or harmala resin for the MAOI to kick in before smoking/vaping DMT or Enhanced leaf? Or maybe they just arent widely aware that effects are enhanced by smoking the MAOI first rather than at the same time as the DMT.
Whichever way, I thank the Numinous Depths for providing us with this sacred combination.