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The Truth Changa: A smoking blend containing Ayahuasca and other herbs
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Gondwanaland
Rising Star
I like the name changa. It sounds like old mate you used to scab a durry off at the bowl.
This is the thread that never....oh wait.
Acacayahuasca
Rising Star
Hey Gondwanaland
I'd give you a bunga ( siggy) anyday mate.
And a bowl of Changa at the skate bowl!
Sounds like my new mantra.
It's all good ,
We're too worried about
The real socialists (people's republic )invading us
For all our natural resources
At the moment to care much wat
The Nexus party really think.
Peace and love.
Changa grew out of love
In OZZ
OM MAKE PADME HUM
I'd give you a bunga ( siggy) anyday mate.
And a bowl of Changa at the skate bowl!
Sounds like my new mantra.
It's all good ,
We're too worried about
The real socialists (people's republic )invading us
For all our natural resources
At the moment to care much wat
The Nexus party really think.
Peace and love.
Changa grew out of love
In OZZ
OM MAKE PADME HUM
Acacayahuasca
Rising Star
FranLover said:changa is beautiful. Changa is my friend. Changa is my thing. It enlightened me, it straightened me out, it loved me. Friends for ever. Fran♡DMT
I feel exactly the same
Thanks for your honesty Fran .
outLove and light
Lol, i can’t believe i went trough the whole thread. What a rabbit hole.
I always had doubts around Julians claims (learned the name long after i learned about changa) . This thread has convinced me my gut feeling was right.
It been partially a sad read. I curse my curiosity on the subject. Before stumbled onto Julian on YouTube I didn’t care one bit who “invented” changa.
I always had doubts around Julians claims (learned the name long after i learned about changa) . This thread has convinced me my gut feeling was right.
It been partially a sad read. I curse my curiosity on the subject. Before stumbled onto Julian on YouTube I didn’t care one bit who “invented” changa.
Ha. this thread. A bit of a classic now.
You’re not alone in those doubts. He seems to view himself as some sort of celebrity psychedelic superstar.. odd for substances which help us transcend the ego.
For this reason I have trouble even pondering his claims around Phyllodium pulchellum. I think in his Soma theory there is a strong element of seeking validation.. of course Soma must be the plant that Julian happens to be “pioneering”.. conveniently he thinks there’s no point in having it properly analyzed.. his subjective experience should be enough for us all to go on.
You’re not alone in those doubts. He seems to view himself as some sort of celebrity psychedelic superstar.. odd for substances which help us transcend the ego.
For this reason I have trouble even pondering his claims around Phyllodium pulchellum. I think in his Soma theory there is a strong element of seeking validation.. of course Soma must be the plant that Julian happens to be “pioneering”.. conveniently he thinks there’s no point in having it properly analyzed.. his subjective experience should be enough for us all to go on.
Indeed. I have no problem with publicity or even capitalizing. But some humility and humbleness goes along way to give off better vibes.
I can buy the naming, but the rest just gets weird for me. I would expect more humility from someone being well versed with psychedelic.
I guess we could all do well being more humble
Don’t mean to bash the person, but the whole discussion gives me bad vibes on something very beautiful.
You seem to have changed your mind over the years?
I can buy the naming, but the rest just gets weird for me. I would expect more humility from someone being well versed with psychedelic.
I guess we could all do well being more humble
Don’t mean to bash the person, but the whole discussion gives me bad vibes on something very beautiful.
You seem to have changed your mind over the years?
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Psychedelics are non-descript amplifiers, so can inflate the ego as well. It all starts with the stance of mind and intent ino.
One love
Definitely, I have seen this so many times in the Ayahuasca community. Can be a slippery slope when heading in the wrong direction
Psychedelics can more than just inflate your ego; they can totally mess you up. Power (like fire) is neutral and it brings good with healthy/conscious use and bad in other cases. It's usually a mixture of both. I have yet to see a psychedelic persona who is in a more or less constant spotlight that does not leave a queasy feeling in me.
Panpsychic
Established member
I remember thinking this thread is somewhat cringe to read when I came across it a while back. Many are looking for some form of acclaim or to feel that they have made some contribution so that is understandable, and Palmer has contributed to popularising this significantly so that should be acknowledged.
That said, I remember learning about what Changa was several years ago, and thinking "thats a good idea". I then recall my initial reaction when told it was 'invented' by someone.
I mean, the plant alchemy is there in the Ayahuasca brew...drinking an MAOI and DMT together.
What does it mean to 'invent' the idea of smoking them together instead? Surely its just another ROA?
I would definitely concur that anything involving consuming DMT and MAOI's whether that is drinking, smoking or some combination of them goes back millenia and was simply rediscovered in the modern era.
Also, Palmer says this:
So it seems he is here saying the idea was seeded by the Gracie and Zarkov article.
However, they smoked the MAOI and then smoked DMT after so it 'doesnt count'....
In terms of smoking DMT with MAOI's it's this order of power and potency:
- Drink the MAOI like Peganum Harmala or Caapi tea, then wait an hour and smoke the DMT/Enhanced Leaf.
This is the ideal way of doing it to enhance, lengthen and deepen smoking or vaping DMT.
Otherwise
- Smoke the MAOI (like caapi leaf or Peganum harmala boiled down resin), then wait a few minutes and smoke the DMT/Enhanced leaf.
This is what Gracie and Zarkov had written of. Not as potent or effective as drinking the MAOI first, but some people don't like drinking it so for pure smoking do it like this.
Lastly
- Smoking the DMT with the MAOI combined together (aka Changa). This is the least effective of the methods and produces the least powerful effects. However its the one that's become popularized.
I suppose many people cant be bothered to just wait 10 minutes after smoking straight caapi leaf or harmala resin for the MAOI to kick in before smoking/vaping DMT or Enhanced leaf? Or maybe they just arent widely aware that effects are enhanced by smoking the MAOI first rather than at the same time as the DMT.
Whichever way, I thank the Numinous Depths for providing us with this sacred combination.
That said, I remember learning about what Changa was several years ago, and thinking "thats a good idea". I then recall my initial reaction when told it was 'invented' by someone.
I mean, the plant alchemy is there in the Ayahuasca brew...drinking an MAOI and DMT together.
What does it mean to 'invent' the idea of smoking them together instead? Surely its just another ROA?
I would definitely concur that anything involving consuming DMT and MAOI's whether that is drinking, smoking or some combination of them goes back millenia and was simply rediscovered in the modern era.
Also, Palmer says this:
So it seems he is here saying the idea was seeded by the Gracie and Zarkov article.
However, they smoked the MAOI and then smoked DMT after so it 'doesnt count'....
In terms of smoking DMT with MAOI's it's this order of power and potency:
- Drink the MAOI like Peganum Harmala or Caapi tea, then wait an hour and smoke the DMT/Enhanced Leaf.
This is the ideal way of doing it to enhance, lengthen and deepen smoking or vaping DMT.
Otherwise
- Smoke the MAOI (like caapi leaf or Peganum harmala boiled down resin), then wait a few minutes and smoke the DMT/Enhanced leaf.
This is what Gracie and Zarkov had written of. Not as potent or effective as drinking the MAOI first, but some people don't like drinking it so for pure smoking do it like this.
Lastly
- Smoking the DMT with the MAOI combined together (aka Changa). This is the least effective of the methods and produces the least powerful effects. However its the one that's become popularized.
I suppose many people cant be bothered to just wait 10 minutes after smoking straight caapi leaf or harmala resin for the MAOI to kick in before smoking/vaping DMT or Enhanced leaf? Or maybe they just arent widely aware that effects are enhanced by smoking the MAOI first rather than at the same time as the DMT.
Whichever way, I thank the Numinous Depths for providing us with this sacred combination.
Is it that it's "more effective" or perhaps maybe it's just a "different character."
I ask because that's my perspective; it's pretty potent regardless, just different.
One love
I ask because that's my perspective; it's pretty potent regardless, just different.
One love
Do you mean that I have changed my mind? Or someone else?
@Panpsychic I think one of the appeals with changa is the all in one nature of it. But I agree it isn’t as effective as vaping MAOI beforehand.. this way allows for a more meditative state leading into the experience as well. That said, I’m not sure it’s necessarily that people can’t be bothered vaping MAOI’s prior to DMT. Changa is just a unique dynamic in itself. It also seems to be very much about the creativity with blends that is possible and the various admixture herbs.
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