Sorry for raining on your world cup parade. I have said my peace, continue your distraction...
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Infinite I
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Saidin said:
Theres no need to be so condescending. Everythings a distraction from the evil NWO according to most people into conspiracy theorys. Someone said the opening game symbolised the oil spill as south africa had the colours of BP and mexico had the color black to represent the oil. People were also saying when englands goal was scored it was created by occultic santanists because of the time the goal was scored, this is how ridiculous conspiracy folks get.
Yes we all know the governments are gits and dont care about people and only want to make profit, and im sure people have suffered from this world cup, like the olympics in china, but people would have benefitted too, like aegle pointed out. I like football and Im not going to live my life constantly paranoid and seeing the negative in everything that goes on, people need to chill out and enjoy their life rather than seeing everything thats billed as entertainment as an evil distraction from the terrible deeds the governments get up to, really theres not much you as an individual can do about the evil in the world. People need to wake up en masse, like polytrip was talking about with the elections in his country, ignorance seems to be the rule, what you going to do about it? Do you do anything? I will be enjoying this world cup its bloody great and so will most football fans, seems to be the ones doing all the hating are the ones who dont even like football anyway
A few days ago, i heard am interview on the radio with a women who had lived in south-africa for many years. She said that only since she had moved to europe, she started to realize how messed-up south africa realy is, since many local media in south africa don't pay much attention to issues like internal ethnic tensions (or ethnic tensions related to migration). I know there are places in south africa that are just like europe or america, but there is also that other part.Phlux- said:
One could look at the ghetto's in america and the warlord ex-prezident and create an opinion based on that.
Or they could look at the great lakes of america, yellowstone park and the indidgenous ppl's rock art and decide its a lovely place.
Living in south africa - and having traveled south africa extensively, overall its a lovely place with a few dark patches just like any country.
Or they could look at the great lakes of america, yellowstone park and the indidgenous ppl's rock art and decide its a lovely place.
Living in south africa - and having traveled south africa extensively, overall its a lovely place with a few dark patches just like any country.
Saidin said:
It's clear to me the humans will destroy themselves only for more life to recreate. This is the natural balance of life.
It does not scare me, I know this will happen, and it will continue to get uglier and uglier more than likely.
I do not like soccer, and I do not watch the world cup, but I think people should enjoy themselves while society is still somewhat stable.
I don't think this window will last.
On the other hand, I read about the riot in bangledesh after they lost power and couldn't watch the game, destroying cars and property.
Now that's just wild.
Infinite I said:
I was in no way being condescending, I was being honest. I sincerely hope that people enjoy the soccer if that interests you. It is a distraction and with all the stuff going on, it is good to take your mind off it for a time. You are reading intent into my words that was not there.
Where did I mention anything about conspiracies? I just told people to be aware, and pointed out that the problems that existed in South Africa before the world cup will still be there and probably worse once the world cup is over...it is rainbow with a pot of shit at either end. This benefits very few if any of the South Africans who truly need help aside from a distraction from the drudgery of everyday life for a time. Thats just the way it is. It is the truth, you can accept it or not, but there is nothing conspiratorial about it.
Do you honestly believe this? That there is nothing you as an individual can do? How wrong you are, and if you hold onto that belief then the change you want to see in the world will never occur. You must BE the change you want to see in the world, otherwise it will never happen. I do plenty of things...I donate my time to chairitible causes (SPCA, Outdoor Trail Maintenance, Beach Clean-ups, Retirement Communities), I donate my money to helping others who need it. I talk to people with the intent to help wake them from the slumber of ignorance that pervades society. I do what I can, and if I can help just one person a week, then I have been successful in changing the world, one person at a time.
What do you do? From your statement that an individual cannot change the evil in the world I would assume nothing...and if you put out nothing, you get nothing back. The world then is just as you want it to be, and you are powerless because you believe you have no power to affect change.
Enjoy the world cup, I never said not too. I am a fan of football, played it from the age of 6 to 18. The US is my home country so I am rooting for them, and my second choice is always for the home team.
Phlux- said:
I do not have a skewed perspective of South Africa. As I said, I've been twice, and going a thrid time this year. I have spent a total of 6 weeks travelling by mini coach throughout the country. I have probably seen more of the country than 95% of native South Africans. I have seen the beauty and the despair. It is a country of amazing dichotomies. Though as an above poster said, a ghetto in the US would be luxorious compared to those in South Africa...there really is no comparison, ive been inside a couple in SA, and it was heartbreaking.
Our guide the last two and the upcoming trip was the Deputy Foreign Minister, and an Ex-Ambassador and Consul to Central and South American countries. He is one of the most amazing and knowledgeable people I have ever met, and he taught us much about South Africa, from all the different perspectives.
Are you old enough to have experienced apartheid? Or were you just a babe when the transition happened? There is so much history to your country, such a struggle for so many years, between so many different groups of people. Look how far you have come, and how far you have yet to go...
If you haven't been to it yet, I highly recommend the Aparthied Museum in Johannesbug. One of the best museums I've been to in the entire world, I left both times I went in tears...both of sadness, and hope for how much things have and will continue to change.
A country is measured by how they treat their disadvantaged, not by the natural beauty that would still be there if there were no people. South Africa has both in abundance...you can't do anything about the natural wonders of your country, but you can certainly do something to help those who need it the most.
clouds said:
Where did I ever say not to watch it? I'm watching it myself...lol
Why are people getting so upset, I am only challenging you to think...
Infinite I
JC
When you said continue with your distraction it seemed pretty condescending to me, if not fair enough.
Everyone who is into conpiracies says everythings just one big distraction from the wars in the world to the violation of our civil liberties, seems to be their usual spiel. Everything of entertainment value must be a distraction then. Ive seen your posts before and I thought you were into conspiracy theorys, then you say the distraction bit so...
Theres nothing I as an individual can do to stop the war in Iraq and afghanistan, millions tried that and it didnt make one bit of difference so now I try not to get so angry about things which im obviously powerless to stop. I used to do voluntary work and I work with adults with learning difficulties so I help people that need it every day in my work. I try to wake people up the way you do also and you might think im a bit crazy but I make something called orgonite, its used to neautralise the electro magnetic radiation from mobile phone masts, swear some negatvie entitys werent happy that I was doing it, but I was smoking dmt so people will think im crazy lol
Anyways I just dont think I as an individual can stop the NWO or stop the wars or pollution of the planet, sure I can plant trees and help people but its not going to change the world cup going ahead or the wars stopping aroung the world so now I dont get so wound up about things and enjoy life and psychedelics
anyways mon the world cup, I love it! 
:lol:name 1 civil war with ref's from za.
from the wiki entry
A civil war is a war between organized groups within the same nation state,[1] or, less commonly, between two countries created from a formerly-united nation-state.[2] The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region, or to change government policies.[1] It is high-intensity conflict, often involving regular armed forces, that is sustained, organized and large-scale. Civil wars may result in large numbers of casualties and the consumption of significant resources.[3]
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James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies".[1] Ann Hironaka further specifies that one side of a civil war is the state.[3] The intensity at which a civil disturbance becomes a civil war is contested by academics. Some political scientists define a civil war as having more than 1000 casualties,[1] while others further specify that at least 100 must come from each side.[6] The Correlates of War, a dataset widely used by scholars of conflict, classifies civil wars as having over 1000 war-related casualties per year of conflict. This rate is a small fraction of the millions killed in the Second Sudanese Civil War and Cambodian Civil War, for example, but excludes several highly publicized conflicts, such as The Troubles of Northern Ireland and the struggle of the African National Congress in Apartheid-era South Africa.[3]
from the wiki entry
A civil war is a war between organized groups within the same nation state,[1] or, less commonly, between two countries created from a formerly-united nation-state.[2] The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region, or to change government policies.[1] It is high-intensity conflict, often involving regular armed forces, that is sustained, organized and large-scale. Civil wars may result in large numbers of casualties and the consumption of significant resources.[3]
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James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies".[1] Ann Hironaka further specifies that one side of a civil war is the state.[3] The intensity at which a civil disturbance becomes a civil war is contested by academics. Some political scientists define a civil war as having more than 1000 casualties,[1] while others further specify that at least 100 must come from each side.[6] The Correlates of War, a dataset widely used by scholars of conflict, classifies civil wars as having over 1000 war-related casualties per year of conflict. This rate is a small fraction of the millions killed in the Second Sudanese Civil War and Cambodian Civil War, for example, but excludes several highly publicized conflicts, such as The Troubles of Northern Ireland and the struggle of the African National Congress in Apartheid-era South Africa.[3]
That's all about formal definitions. I look at the period of apartheid as a state of civil war. Maybe it's not officially so, but than maybe we would have to say that israel does officially not have a civil war happening within it's official borders as well. I would consider the troubles in N.I as a civil war as well. I think most british and irish people look at it like that.
But whether it officially could have been labeled civil war or not, besides a period of terrible opression it was a violent, bloody conflict with many casualties, so the results are all the same.
You always have these legal definitions. I understand that they may matter in courts and tribunals, but they are also morally contradictory.
If what happened in south sudan is officially genocide than that is seen as a justification for international action, even without permission of the U.N. security council. If it is not, then international intervention is not permitted.
So this means that in the judicial world the thing that's so appalling about genocide is not that millions of people are getting killed. But if it's not that, then what is? It cannot be that it's selective either because selective opression of groups is alse seen as acceptable, since this is happening all over the world without it being a legitimate cause of intervention.
So all the separate ingredients of the whole concept of 'genocide' are by themselves considered to be not so bad at all. But you cannot say that combined they create some sort of extra effect that raises some totally new moral concern.
So you see that in a moral sense, these oficial labels lead to strange contradictions where all your moral outrage at the end vanishes into thin air because apparently all is fine.
But whether it officially could have been labeled civil war or not, besides a period of terrible opression it was a violent, bloody conflict with many casualties, so the results are all the same.
You always have these legal definitions. I understand that they may matter in courts and tribunals, but they are also morally contradictory.
If what happened in south sudan is officially genocide than that is seen as a justification for international action, even without permission of the U.N. security council. If it is not, then international intervention is not permitted.
So this means that in the judicial world the thing that's so appalling about genocide is not that millions of people are getting killed. But if it's not that, then what is? It cannot be that it's selective either because selective opression of groups is alse seen as acceptable, since this is happening all over the world without it being a legitimate cause of intervention.
So all the separate ingredients of the whole concept of 'genocide' are by themselves considered to be not so bad at all. But you cannot say that combined they create some sort of extra effect that raises some totally new moral concern.
So you see that in a moral sense, these oficial labels lead to strange contradictions where all your moral outrage at the end vanishes into thin air because apparently all is fine.
Phlux- said:
The Boer Wars.
I guess "some scholars" don't classify the struggle to end aparthied a civil war, but it has many of the same characteristics.
Infinite I said:
I can see how one may have read condescension into it, but I assure you it was not there. I was being honest in my wish that people enjoy, though I could have been more specific and not let it be open to misunderstanding...I was trying to bow out and let the conversation return to scores and chest thumping/bumping. :lol:
I am into conspriacy theories, spent thousands of hours over the years reading and analzing the bullshit to find the kernels of truth hidden in plain sight, but discussions about them are not allowed here so I skirt around them sometimes. Talking about them openly is pointless anyway as people dismiss them or put up their guard immeadiately.
This world cup is the largest worldwide distraction in at least the past four years. People seem to be into the world cup so much more so this time than any time I can remember. Even here in the US, a country who generally could care less about soccer, people are enthralled. There are so many serious problems in the world at this momenet in histroy, and I just got the intuition that it would be a good opportunity for something (I have no idea what, if anything) to slip under the radar. Therefore my comment for people to be aware. Also the point that the cup will be good for SA in the short term, but bad for them in the long term...these types of events are never good in the long term for the countries that host (usually takes 10-20 years to pay off the expenses incurred). So many resources put into something so fleeting. That's all I'm saying.
Theres nothing I as an individual can do to stop the war in Iraq and afghanistan, millions tried that and it didnt make one bit of difference so now I try not to get so angry about things which im obviously powerless to stop. I used to do voluntary work and I work with adults with learning difficulties so I help people that need it every day in my work. I try to wake people up the way you do also and you might think im a bit crazy but I make something called orgonite, its used to neautralise the electro magnetic radiation from mobile phone masts, swear some negatvie entitys werent happy that I was doing it, but I was smoking dmt so people will think im crazy lol
Anyways I just dont think I as an individual can stop the NWO or stop the wars or pollution of the planet, sure I can plant trees and help people but its not going to change the world cup going ahead or the wars stopping aroung the world so now I dont get so wound up about things and enjoy life and psychedelics
All major change that has ever happened in the world started with one person, or a small group of people. It is a fact. A single individual can affect profound change of a global scale. Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Confucious, Cyrus the Great, Martin Luther, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin, Issac Newton, Albert Einstien, Ghandi, Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandella, etc...I could go on forever. If you don't try, if you are not being the change you want to see in the world, then we have no chance. All it takes is one, and one becomes 2, 2 becomes 4, 4 becomes 8, 16, 32, 64, 128...etc...does not take many doublings to reach the majority of the world.
I'm somewhat familiar with orgonite, I know someone who does the exact same thing around his aparment complex. A new manager came in and began destorying the things for no apparent reason. So I do not think you are crazy at all for thinking negative entities weren't happy. In fact I think you are quite perceptive, more so than most people. You are helping in your own way. We all have to do what we can, envision the world we want to live in, and collectively we will change it. 100 million individuals (probably need far less) all working for change could turn this thing around so fast it would be disorientating.
Don't ever underestimate your power, do what you can. Some are meant to stand in front of tanks, others to set themselves on fire, others to hunger strike. If you can effect change in one person, they will in turn help another and so on...
Also enjoy the World Cup...friendly competition is the best mode of conflict we can hope for. Imagine if we could settle all our conflicts on a soccer field? 8)
polytrip said:
The other day i was at the barber, having my hair cut (removed ; )
So this pretty blonde who was cutting my hair and started the usual chit-chat:
“So, are you following the soccer matches?” - No, not really.
“You are not watching the Netherlands play?” - Nah. Im not into soccer.
And sure enough, there was this strange look on her face. Could be my imagination, but i was having the feeling the girl and all others present at the barbershop were considering i might be a terrorist. Lol. So I directed the chit-chat into another direction. Pfff, i saved myself from being stoned to death.
These people at the barber shop, pretty blonde included, i think they don’t really like soccer. But im wondering, how else can they be part of something bigger? Is it the media to blame? Or are people asking for this (nationalism, monoculture)? Or programmed to ask for this? (chicken -egg?)
Now i want the famous dutch dress too. Its not that im a transvestite, but just because i don’t want to be different...
Even the turkish people in my neighborhood are wearing orange stuff.. i don’t want to be left out…
Well, Germany beat England 4-1. They deserved to win, even if Lampard's goal was allowed (which it should of been) we still would of got absolutely smashed by the Germans. Well done Germany.
It's a shame the game (which is all it is) is too wrapped up in money and corruption, it's supposed to be a bit of fun, but thats been lost somewhere down the line. As for hooliganism, well thats just silly.
Now England are out, I'd like to see a Brazil v Ghana final.
Peace
Macre.
It's a shame the game (which is all it is) is too wrapped up in money and corruption, it's supposed to be a bit of fun, but thats been lost somewhere down the line. As for hooliganism, well thats just silly.
Now England are out, I'd like to see a Brazil v Ghana final.
Peace
Macre.
