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The world of Ketamine

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Well some ketamine just fell into my lap..

I haven't done it for years, I bought a kilo back in 1999 before it was scheduled for like and binged terribly.. to be honest the memories aren't that pleasant at all.

I'm more interested in checking it out for entheogenic purposes now as it definitely is capable of killing that pesky ego. The only reason I'm experimenting with it now is because it is terribly rare around these parts and I wouldn't feel right about passing up the opportunity.

I'll likely end up writing a report of my thoughts on it after I bioassay a bit.
 
aloneits said:
I haven't done it for years, I bought a kilo back in 1999 before it was scheduled for like and binged terribly.. to be honest the memories aren't that pleasant at all.

I bought a kilo back in 1999 before it was scheduled

I bought a kilo

a kilo
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holy crap. how long did it take you to go through that? I personally haven't tried any ketamine although would like to (and am planning on it). I'm not a fan of needles and was wondering if any one could describe any acute effects from snorting it. Any pain? Congestion? Bleeding?
 
shishigami said:
I'm not a fan of needles and was wondering if any one could describe any acute effects from snorting it. Any pain? Congestion? Bleeding?
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I would say that K is one of the more comfortable things to stick up your nose. There is a drip like any other thing you put there, very little pain though and no bleeding. It does tend to dry and form a tell-tale ‘polo’ ring around your nostril!

Extensive use can destroy your septum, leaving you with a nice hole there. If you don’t do it too much you should be fine though.

Another option for taking ketamine is oral administration, in these parts a lot of people seem not to like the idea and believe it isn’t good for your stomach at all. I have seen no issues when I have worked with it that way, again I think the thing is not to do it too regularly!
 
K + Mushrooms got pretty strange (in a good way) the one time I tried it. I haven't been lucky finding it in my area too frequently and when I do it's usually noticeably cut so I tend to not bother these days.:(
 
aloneits said:
The duration with oral K is longer as well, it just requires a lot of material
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It’s an ideal way of dealing with residual k left on the pan after cooking some liquid, just pour in some coffee…
 
aloneits said:
The duration with oral K is longer as well, it just requires a lot of material
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The issue of more material is what doesn't seem as appealing about the oral route.

d*l*b said:
Extensive use can destroy your septum, leaving you with a nice hole there. If you don’t do it too much you should be fine though.
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Haha, I'm not too worried about that. Glad to hear that it isn't particularly painful. I've heard that some substances (particularly 2c-x) burn like hell when snorted.
 
I like ketamine a lot. I like to do 1/4 grams IM, for a nice buzz. Snorting it, I can easily do 1/3-1/2 gram lines, but the amount of powder that sits in my sinuses can make me rather unhappy after the effects wear off. IM is great, but with the amounts it takes me to get to where I wanna go, it's an awful lot of shit to put in my muscles. One of my ass cheeks is still a lil sore from a week ago, LOL. I did get where I was trying to, though.

It really has been a useful tool in my arsenal. The key is to do enough to get as deep as you can, and if you keep pushing it, just like when you do tryptamines, you can get to the point where everything comes together and makes perfect sense. The whole ordeal before you reach that climax, can be pretty strange, indeed. It took me about an ounce in 10 days to get there, snorting it, and about a quarter ounce in 2-3 days to get there IM.

I did experience some indigestion and stomach aches for a few days after a heavy binge. As long as I binge for a few days, then stop for a good bit, it doesn't seem to do too much damage, but after you reach that climax, you can only stay there and prolong it so long, before things start just getting back to deranged and weird. After hitting the climax point, it's good to do it a few more times to hang out in that mind state for a bit, but too much after that is just less pleasant. That is a good thing, because it makes it easier to take a break.

I like ketamine and find value in it, but overdoing it is definitely not good on the body.. It also can make people act pretty retarded when they stay in a k-hole for a real long time. I manage pretty good, and things seem to come together, but many of my friends need friggin' baby sitters on good doses.. You should even hear some of the stories I hear about things I do while on it, that I don't remember, but I seem to keep things pretty much under control.
 
The new compound mxe is a surpisingly good alternative to ket, it´s cheap long lasting and very strong, seems to be gentle to the body and has less side effects compared to K.

This is speculation though since it´s preety new compound it is still largely unknown. although alot of people seem to be binging on it with little side effects so far.
 
fractal enchantment said:
Im surprised people here like to take small doses of ketamine. When I do get ahold of some ketamine I dont have any desire to take low doses..seems a waste. I want to K hole in sensory deprivation. I want a ketamine trip..not a light ketamine buzz. I hve read soo much amazing stuff about ketamine, but always in full doses and in sensory deprivation. All the talk of it making things shake and whatnot tells me it prob wasnt used in that context.

Also, you guys, you may feel that maybe you feel like you might die or something..with pure ketamine if you arent fully passed out than I dont think you are physcialy in muchdager at all. They use ketamine as an anesthetic in hospitals, and the anesthetic dose from which you black out is larger than a k hole dose.

Ketamine is a neuroprotectant and is actaully quite non-toxic..a very safe substance to use if you dont abuse it.

Also, the street ketamine you guys are getting..how can you be sure its pure?

Habitual use is not good. I met a guy that had an ulcer after a year of daily ketamine use, and had to quit.
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I have read the opposite about K's effect on neurons. That it can cause so called 'olney's leasions'...hole's in the brain.
 
^ I have never seen a shred of evidence for that other than in very heavy chronic use of ketamine. Ketamine is still administered on site in some countries as a responce to head trauma victims due to the fact that it protects the brain from brain damage.

Occasional or very sporatic use of ketamine is one thing..chronic use is something else altogether..and that is when they find the formation of lesions.
 
fractal enchantment said:
^ I have never seen a shred of evidence for that other than in very heavy chronic use of ketamine. Ketamine is still administered on site in some countries as a responce to head trauma victims due to the fact that it protecfts the brain from brain damage.

Occasional or very sporatic use of ketamine is one thing..chronic use is something else altogether..and that is when they find the formation of lesions.
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That's what I've read to. Olney's lesions can occur with nitrous use too but that's only after an hr + of continuous use.


polytrip said:
Does ketamine differ greatly in effects from DXM?
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Not having tried either I can't respond definitely but I've heard that Ketamine is cleaner and more fun, DXM has a large body load and can be kinda dark. It also lasts significantly longer which imo is not a plus.

SHroomtroll said:
The new compound mxe is a surpisingly good alternative to ket, it´s cheap long lasting and very strong, seems to be gentle to the body and has less side effects compared to K.

This is speculation though since it´s preety new compound it is still largely unknown. although alot of people seem to be binging on it with little side effects so far.
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There are some reports on bluelight about a person blacking out and redosing with out remembering it, leading to a hospital visit.
 
Yeah i read that, also a guy on some other forum is binging like crazy, i think he has done over 5grams in a few weeks now.

I don´t think that is very smart behavior but both those cases have more to do with the persons doing the stuff than the actual drug.

It´s no more addictive then ketamin, i would say it´s even less since you don´t need to refill to stay in a hole for 2-3hours.

Anyway people should still be careful with all drugs, esp the new ones.
 
I think methoxetamine is potentially alot more addictive than ketamine because,and I attest to this from personal experience, it has a clear mu opioid recptor action and there are reports on Opiophile.org of people using it for several consecutive days and have then had fairly typical but mild opiate withdrawal symptoms.Bear in mind that many of the crew there are dedicated (or enslaved?) to the cause of opiates and once youve pursued this road too far,even if you do get clean you will resurrect your habit quicker than someone who has yet to travel this rocky path.

Methoxetamine I found to be very very pleasant with cannabis; on its own it tends to give that sort-of 'neutral' headspace imparted by the dissociatives.
 
I think the mu opiod action is still in the air, ive read subjective experiences from both sides, if that is the case it at least for me easier to avoid overdoing it.
 
Personally i've not found ketamine to be a reliable entheogen. This is not a compound I would use to attain religious or spiritual effects, and purely from my own experiences have found it to have limited recreational use only. Its effects taken in isolation (feeling of being removed from reality and set adrift in an introspective dream-like world, often involving complete dissociation, immersive visuals and out-of-body experiences etc) may indeed seem intensely psychedelic, but for me this is not entheogenic by definition. To borrow a phrase from Terence McKenna, ketamine "affects the judgemental machinery of the mind" - as in, I have little to no concept of myself, who I am, where I am, and any anxiety I may have had about administering the drug is gone once the effects take hold. I am less able to judge or assess the situation I find myself in, and certainly less able to bring back any useful information from the experience itself. On this basis ketamine is unreliable as an entheogen when compared to preferred psychedelic compounds (DMT, LSD etc).
 
I have had one really amazing experience with ketamine, after I snorted a large dose and went and laid down in bed in the pitch black. I went on an amazing journey and saw some amazing things. I remember at the peak the void swallowing me up and me becoming a part of it. It felt profound at the time for sure, seems like a distant weird dream memory now. I've had some lower dose experiences, I remember one time being at a rave and also on MDMA at the time. I was a bit to sozzled to dance at the time so I went and chilled out for a bit, and saw this person walking towards me (the rave was in these underground tunnels), well this person's face morphed into mine, so it was like looking at a reflection of myself. This was pretty strange...other times I noticed people always seemed to have two pairs of eyes, and I found it hard to work out which the real pair. I can't have any food or alcohol in my system when I take ketamine or it will have me puking and feeling revolting for a while. I find ketamine 'cold'. For me it lacks a special something that is brimming over with the tryptamine psychedelics. I also know of someone who developed serious stomach lesions and bladder lesions after chronic use. Definitely not one of my favourites.
 
I have no experience with ketamine. The only NMDA-antagonists i'm familiar with are DXM and nitrogenoxide (and iboga, but that's a whole different category of substance). I guess nitro doesn't realy compare with the other typical dissociatives because of it's short duration and quick come-up, so the whole nitro experience is more or less just the short rush.

If ketamine is like DXM, i think i am not a bit interested in trying it. I would be interested in synergy's between NMDA-antagonists and tryptamine's, cannabis or iboga. But not in a pure NMDA-antagonist on it's own.

In traditional ayahuasca brews they sometimes use piri-piri, wich contains an NMDA antagonist as well, although it has more than just dissociative effects. But apparently at least some shamans find that dissociative's combine well with ayahuasca brews.

To me that indicate's that it's at least worth trying a combination, but i would rather use piri-piri itself than a dissociative replacement.
 
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