leratiomyces said:
auxiliarus said:
Anyone has ever done anything like this? Why bother freeze-precipitating the DMT first and then putting it into vape oil when you can do it directly?
People bother because they want to inhale the least toxic vapour possible. That's the purpose of purifying dmt. Just depends on how much you care for your lung tissue. I'm sure you know sodium hydroxide destroys human tissue.
Leave aside the health issues for a moment. The next factor is which vape oil you use. VG and PG are miscible with water, so your extraction will not work well, if at all. Unless you were considering another vape oil??
Sorry to be judgemental, but this is a bad idea.
It's okay, the reason I posted this here is safety itself so I'm very welcome to any answers. I was indeed thinking about VG. Is VG really slightly miscible with water? I thought polar and non-polar weren't soluble with each-other?
Would something like table salt force the VG not to mix with some of the water by increasing it's polarity? Do you know of any other vape oils that are more non-polar than VG?
Also what you just said is something that happens with every extraction, no? If I mixed heptane with my water solution of NaOH the haptane would dissolve some of the water with the NaOH and then during the freeze-precipitation it would come out with the crystals on the bottom? So by that logic these two methods would be just as dangerous? Unless VG/PG absorbs way more water than Heptane or Naptha does.
leratiomyces said:
Your conclusion is right Pete.
All solvents are able to dissolve a small amount of water, some more than others. So a small amount of hydroxide would be carried across
This is the reason why the organic phase is always dried with a drying agent and filtered, before evaporation, in standard organic chemistry practice.
Back to the OP. The proposal is to use vape oil, which I can only assume is PG and/or VG, although I'm not an expert on vape oils. If using either of these, they are miscible with water. I'm not even sure if two phases would form. If it did form two phases, there would be a tonne of aqueous solution in the vape oil phase, including base.
This isn't a good idea, please don't do it.
But wouldn't the usual tek do exactly the same, since heptane would also dissolve water with NaOH and at lower temperature in the freezer the water and the NaOH would precipitate with the crystals? I actually did always notice some water after a freeze-precipitation, could we all potentially be smoking lye without even knowing it?
A lot of you seem to be worried about me, don't, I won't do it unless I know for sure it's safe.
Here's some good research on the topic :
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1139/v73-599
Water seems to be soluble at 82 p.p.m in n-Heptane at 25C, but only 26 p.p.m in n-Heptane at 0C. And that was pure n-Heptane, they say that aromatics have higher values and I know for sure that the Heptane I used had aromatics in it(It's listed).
Either way it seems that all methods produce lye in DMT.
Also the boiling point of lye is at 1388 Celsius degrees and sodium carbonate at 1600 Celsius degrees, you're not going to be inhaling that at all?
I think what I'll do to avoid lye contamination on a normal A/B tek is to just run the heptane through water a few times, siphoning all of the water and some of the heptane with the goodies out.
The only problem now is that VG/PG is miscible with water, which means the whole vinegar/VG thing won't work at all. So I'll have to use something else or find some kind of a way to get the goodies out without freeze-precip, since that's currently not an option for me.
