Three fatalities from ayahuasca

[Jamie01]

Who is the master artisan? Why are they making the tapestry? Is it so they can experience it’s beauty?

Am I able to generate that tapestry it’s entirety from just a piece of myself?

If not does that imply a level of dualism?

See I am stuck on dual vs non dual. I can’t imagine one without the other. Neither exists without each other as a reference point. It’s a paradox that makes no sense.

It’s like theism vs atheism. I’ve always felt like whatever really is left once we rule out what is bs-well that’s god. What else would it be? It doesn’t have to mean anything.

I also can’t imagine this would all happen for nothing so I feel that there’s a level beyond this one…something bigger that will make this life like a blip in comparison. That’s like the tapestry analogy but it still doesn’t explain why any of this happens, imo.

 

[Here&Now]

This might seem like a bit of a cop-out, but I think the reason those questions aren't directly answerable is because they're transcendent of the rational instrumentation we're working with for the discussion. That notion is expressed in the tapestry metaphor by the way we simply can't see the upper side of the design, at least not from our current vantage point.

Though it could be argued that "you" can in fact experience the grandeur of the upper side of the design when in a hyper-elevated, ego-death state like a 5-MeO-DMT breakthrough (or very skillful meditation), but you mentioned in that other 5-MeO-DMT thread how it didn't seem to have that type of effect on you. But I think you do at least understand that for many, it can provide a full non-dual realization that very strongly convinces of its representation of the absolute; something that transcends any kind of conceptual box that we may try to put it in.

 

[Here&Now]

I also like this video when looking at descriptions from non-pyschedelic users who reached the same high states of consciousness via techniques laid out in mystical traditions.

 

[Jamie01]

I think we experience it all the time on psychedelics and the hyper cube is a good example of it.

Language just fails so I don’t think it’s a cop out to say it’s transcendent.

I don’t think we are the main intelligence around, or the oldest. That brings in a whole other element to the equation..and to bring it back to tech - I can’t be the only one here who has spent time on ships etc with other races of intelligent beings. This is a DMT website after all. Maybe it’s all bs and a projection…but they always have tech that makes us look like babies crawling around in a playroom.

 

[Here&Now]

I think we experience it all the time on psychedelics and the hyper cube is a good example of it.

Language just fails so I don’t think it’s a cop out to say it’s transcendent.

I don’t think we are the main intelligence around, or the oldest. That brings in a whole other element to the equation..and to bring it back to tech - I can’t be the only one here who has spent time on ships etc with other races of intelligent beings. This is a DMT website after all. Maybe it’s all bs and a projection…but they always have tech that makes us look like babies crawling around in a playroom.

Ah ok, nice, yes, you've definitely seen some shit, lol. That's a good point to keep in mind what website it is where we're discussing this. I'm guessing almost everyone here has had countless experiences that defy any kind of mundane categorization.

I happen to believe that a lot of what psychedelics can show us has a basis in objective reality. It's unfortunately all open to being twisted by our imperfect mechanism of interpretation, but I think a great deal of it is actually real.

 

[Here&Now]

I don’t think we are the main intelligence around, or the oldest. That brings in a whole other element to the equation..and to bring it back to tech - I can’t be the only one here who has spent time on ships etc with other races of intelligent beings. This is a DMT website after all. Maybe it’s all bs and a projection…but they always have tech that makes us look like babies crawling around in a playroom.

I don't know if this is the right thread for it, but I'd actually be interested to hear your thoughts on extraterrestrial/interdimensional technology. It's an area where I've put a good amount of attention as well.

But yeah, we have drastically shifted from the original intention of this thread.

 

[hugfortysix]

At the same time, humans are the pinnacle of individuation,

I think that this idea is one of the many human follies. It is possible that as we evolve , educate ourselves and come to understand our environment ,other living things and how they communicate, we may realise that we are not so high up on the intellectual/spiritual/individualistic food chain.

People do crazy stuff because they believe it’s gods will.

I don't think that people really do crazy stuff because they believe it's God's will . If they were really honest with themselves they would admit that it's just an easy way to justify being a dick. If there was no concept of god at all in the human psyche, we'd just find another reason to sugar coat how morally bankrupt that some of us are....

 

[dithyramb]

Yeah we totally bastardized the thread... Should we start a new one?

"Duality and non duality paradox and far out shit and alien tech"

The archetypal DMT (and 5) users discussion thread.

 

[northape]

I feel this thread went in the right direction: from death and modern nonsense to a discussion about God and reality.
What more could we wish for? We need to KNOW what's going on here

 

[Audiwho]

My point a response to the idea of god being accepted without explaining the whys of god. I don’t think you really touched on it either.

You mentioned god but it’s not defined. Why does god need humans to suffer? For what? Is it to learn? If so god can’t be all knowing etc or it wouldn’t need us to suffer for it’s experiments.

I’m not in dispute about the nature of good and evil. People do crazy stuff because they believe it’s gods will.

I’m not saying I don’t believe in god..or something like it. I’m questioning it’s motives if it’s really all powerful etc..

Well, a human being has no other chance then to accept one god. This is or can be one reason why one god is a god. Aldous Huxley wrote:" If I want you to believe I'm a bubble going all the way up, you have to believe it." (1984)
My answer was going for an explanation for the suffering of a civilization, Your answer suggests suffering but without knowing anything about it is better. The point is a civilization is different then god. Another answer can be the evil forces of hinduism attacking life forms, they are powerful enough to destroy land and what is living on it. My choice is still the complexity of society making same vulnerable. If this is fixed they can think about god without suffering. Logically it makes sense if they are hurt it is difficult to believe in pure positivity. To say they are distracted by their pain sounds bad, but this is what forms their perception for the moment.

Okey, I'll define god for you. This concept is evil. even trying to define from my "Ego-perspective" just verifys that concept can only be evil. Because every definition I tell about god is just evil or evil but "packaged" in a good way. There is no good god and if this concept is good it is different then god. Easy, right.

Let's see where this is going for now

 

[northape]

Okey, I'll define god for you. This concept is evil. even trying to define from my "Ego-perspective" just verifys that concept can only be evil. Because every definition I tell about god is just evil or evil but "packaged" in a good way. There is no good god and if this concept is good it is different then god. Easy, right.

Is this sign Evil?
God's name is just as this sign. It's just pointing to something.
Too much thinking leads to drinking

 

[Jamie01]

To be fair I broke down outside Palmdale once and had to spend the week there..it kinda was like a hell.

 

[Audiwho]

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Is this sign Evil?
God's name is just as this sign. It's just pointing to something.
Too much thinking leads to drinking

If we are talking about it in the context of god it is. Without thinking. But somehow spam. Let it name evil by god or vice versa.

 

[northape]

To be fair I broke down outside Palmdale once and had to spend the week there..it kinda was like a hell.

Maybe that sign was evil in the end

If we are talking about it in the context of god it is. Without thinking. But somehow spam. Let it name evil by god or vice versa.

What? Taking yourself too seriously never ends well

 

[Transform]

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Is this sign Evil?
God's name is just as this sign. It's just pointing to something.
Too much thinking leads to drinking

The 9 - 17 - 67 secretly encodes "666", if you try hard enough

 

[Varallo]

The 9 - 17 - 67 secretly encodes "666", if you try hard enough

9/11 ?

 

[northape]

Okay, a deep investigation found that sign to be evil.
Everyone, please stay away from there
Any volunteers for an exorcism?

 

[northape]

Let's send ChatGPT. It's good at brainwashing