Too much harmalas with mushrooms/dmt is something else, be careful guys

[harmala_afficianado]

Long story short i was using syrian rue daily for months as it was very healing for me, i was literally taking 8-12g daily at some point as with tolerance the side effects of rue disappear, so yesterday i took 2g mushrooms with 12g rue, it was absolutely mind blowing.


I realized my mistake (not fully respecting the rue) it felt nothing like how mushrooms used to feel without the rue, there was no chaos, everything becomes clear in your face, i was being shown VERY CLEARLY the stupid things i was doing, the flaws etc, it was too much, i felt like a complete dumbass, and i feel thankful coming out of the trip with no mental scars, the trip was so clear headed to the point of terror, harmalas are no joke, mushrooms alone were like a small toy compared to this, the lessons i learnt were to not claim to know anything, no matter how "wise" you think you are, and i also learnt that we could be thinking that we are in a very good "spiritual" place as in god is happy with us, even tho it could be the opposite...


Overall tho, very positive trip, saved me from stuff that could have happened in the future without me realizing.

 

[Blimey]

You're not wrong there dude... I recently popped a 4 aco-dmt pill (18mg) with 200mg rue harmalas and a 7.5g mimosa cold brew that had been soaking for a week. Hands down the most intense psychedelic experience of my life (and I've had a few). Thankfully, it seems to have had a very positive, healing effect which is continuing to trickle through my psyche each day. Would I do it again? Probably not.... and certainly not without some serious mental preparation beforehand. Lol!

 

[TransistorBass]

Just checking you know that combo is called Psilohuasca?
Caution advised I hear.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

You're not wrong there dude... I recently popped a 4 aco-dmt pill (18mg) with 200mg rue harmalas and a 7.5g mimosa cold brew that had been soaking for a week. Hands down the most intense psychedelic experience of my life (and I've had a few). Thankfully, it seems to have had a very positive, healing effect which is continuing to trickle through my psyche each day. Would I do it again? Probably not.... and certainly not without some serious mental preparation beforehand. Lol!

For sure lol, people think dmt is what does the healing in ayahuasca, its not, dmt just activates the harmalas...

Mushrooms are nothing compared to psilohuasca.

Just checking you know that combo is called Psilohuasca?
Caution advised I hear.

Oh yea for sure, i acc have loads of experience with psilohuasca, but i never took large (5g+) rue doses, large rue doses with mushrooms can be very rough, bite you more than you can handle, thankfully i only took whats needed, rue is no joke lol, if you are going to do that combo be very careful with the harmala dose

 

[Transform]

bite you more than you candle

biting the candle at both ends, eh?

people think dmt is what does the healing in ayahuasca, its not, dmt just activates the harmalas...

Isn't there this thing called synergy? It would surely be more fair to argue that they are mutually co-activating. For one thing, DMT has documented antidepressant activity from a single injected dose, and that's without any harmalas.

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But yes, psilohuasca is indeed 'serious business' too.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

biting the candle at both ends, eh?

Man im still trippin from yesterday, you got me confused for a sec there

"Handle"

 

[harmala_afficianado]

biting the candle at both ends, eh?



Isn't there this thing called synergy? It would surely be more fair to argue that they are mutually co-activating. For one thing, DMT has documented antidepressant activity from a single injected dose, and that's without any harmalas.

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Jun 30, 2024

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• The Traveler
• dmt receptors vesicles
• Science results

But yes, psilohuasca is indeed 'serious business' too.

Yea ofc its synergy, but i personally think dmt needs the harmalas abit more than the harmalas needing dmt, just my opinion tho

 

[Transform]

Man im still trippin from yesterday, you got me confused for a sec there

"Handle"

You're good, I saw that it was a case of "can + handle = candle" and found the wordplay too delightful to resist

 

[Transform]

Yea ofc its synergy, but i personally think dmt needs the harmalas abit more than the harmalas needing dmt, just my opinion tho

For sure, oral DMT is nothing without harmalas - and I've seen it quoted rather more than once that DMT "provides light" for the harmala visions and there's not necessarily any sense in using any more DMT than is necessary to achieve that end.

I've just spent a while searching for a thread about psilohuasca + 5 g MHRB that I'd briefly glimpsed in the 'similar threads' recommendation but not bookmarked. It would have been useful to link to it here, but where it went, I've no idea. [Edit - ffs, it was this very thread That's what comes of posting with a blinding headache ]

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

You're not wrong there dude... I recently popped a 4 aco-dmt pill (18mg) with 200mg rue harmalas and a 7.5g mimosa cold brew that had been soaking for a week. Hands down the most intense psychedelic experience of my life (and I've had a few). Thankfully, it seems to have had a very positive, healing effect which is continuing to trickle through my psyche each day. Would I do it again? Probably not.... and certainly not without some serious mental preparation beforehand. Lol!

Oh man No wonder you kind of had the trip of your life with such a trio and doses. 7,5g mimosa brew might be in the 75-150mg DMT dose range, which is quite a solid dose with a proper MAO inhibition. Not to mention psilohuasca is no joke neither (if we consider the 4-AcO-DMT might be a 4-OH-DMT/psilocin pro-drug). I've had quite a bit of experiences with psilohuasca and my current conclusion is that even if it doesn't prolonge effects as noticeably as it does with smoked/vaped DMT, it definitely and dramatically increases the shrooms effects intensity. I had crazy psilohuasca trips with just 1,5g shrooms.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

For sure, oral DMT is nothing without harmalas - and I've seen it quoted rather more than once that DMT "provides light" for the harmala visions and there's not necessarily any sense in using any more DMT than is necessary to achieve that end.

I've just spent a while searching for a thread about psilohuasca + 5 g MHRB that I'd briefly glimpsed in the 'similar threads' recommendation but not bookmarked. It would have been useful to link to it here, but where it went, I've no idea.

Man i really love rue, such a unique and amazing plant, if only people knew the truth about it , it has helped me way more than any psychedelic

 

[Transform]

Man i really love rue, such a unique and amazing plant, if only people knew the truth about it , it has helped me way more than any psychedelic

I had a 3.33 g rue brew last night as my sinusitis had been getting ridiculous. Seriously, it felt like I could get meningitis - but after my drinking my rue dose, including snorting a few teaspoons of the brew, followed by my special herb tea blend, some meditation and deep rest I'm feeling 1000% better today, thanks in part to the inspiration you've provided to get back on some properly-sized rue doses.

 

[Blimey]

Oh man No wonder you kind of had the trip of your life with such a trio and doses. 7,5g mimosa brew might be in the 75-150mg DMT dose range, which is quite a solid dose with a proper MAO inhibition. Not to mention psilohuasca is no joke neither (if we consider the 4-AcO-DMT might be a 4-OH-DMT/psilocin pro-drug). I've had quite a bit of experiences with psilohuasca and my current conclusion is that even if it doesn't prolonge effects as noticeably as it does with smoked/vaped DMT, it definitely and dramatically increases the shrooms effects intensity. I had crazy psilohuasca trips with just 1,5g shrooms.

Yeah... I realised that afterwards..... Lol! since then I opted for a mimosa brew with 200mg of harmalas and mistimed the dosing so it was on the mild side. Following that I had another go a few days later. I decided to wait a full hour after dosing the harmalas before drinking the CWE mimosa brew..... Oh my days! It was perfect. So healing. That stuff is the Truth. I'm generally pretty scientifically minded but it really feels like I'm connected to an ancient intelligence that shows me how to live. I'll be riding off the back of that trip for months..... I've also managed to avoid the purge (some may say this is not a good thing). I think CWE is the way forward with Jurema. 3 days soaking then decant, leave for 24 hours, decant again, leave 24 hours, and final decant. It seems to get rid of most of the tannins, and the harmalas as opposed to Syrian rue, seems to be gentler, I also pre-dosed with orange oil which I have read helps....

 

[Flufferus]

mmmmmm yes my beloved psilohuasca

did 10g of ovoids with 5g of rue once, was the wildest trip of my existence.


@Transform how u gunna just casually mention snorting a few spoonfulls of aya brew and refuse to explain further? lol

 

[Transform]

@Transform how u gunna just casually mention snorting a few spoonfulls of aya brew and refuse to explain further? lol

Artfully misrepresented…
What I would advise is that one allows ones rue brew to cool down to body temperature before attempting to snort it


Anyhow, 20mL of a 400mL brew ain't really gunna do shi…ne. Stings a bit, if repeating would consider adjusting to physiological saline osmolality, 0.9% NaCl shouldn't cause a spontaneous Manske to happen up the schnozz.

Cactus tea up the nose is pretty good, while we're in that general ROA ballpark.

Effectswise, the difference between the preceeding day and the following one was like night and day - and likely almost entirely due to 'normal' oral ingestion. It may, however, be fair to credit the (cooled) intranasal brew with some degree of antiinflammatory action in my sinuses.

The brew itself was a super-lazy, coffee-style simple infusion on finely-ground, raw but somewhat old seeds using tap water at boiling temperature without added acid (since I'd already planned to stick it up my nose). Brewing them this way seems to be little over 50% effective in terms of alkaloid recovery, since I've got nearly the same level effects after consuming the combined second and third brews this evening (24h later).

The acute psychological effects were mostly that of having a serious look at myself, and then focussing on healing my sinuses. The following morning I felt remarkable refreshed and invigorated. This stuff really is a marvellous health tonic, even without the psychological 'bells and whistles' or whatever.