So I did about 1000g of MHRB using Q21Q21's tek. I got the naptha in the freezer and it's all crystal floaters after 24 hours. All I can think of is that it wasn't very concentrated (naptha was only in the mix 10-15 minutes per the tek). But yeah it's all floaters and won't precipitate out, any ideas?
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Trouble with Q21Q21 [couple of questions added @ Bottom]
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Why the 1000g extraction? That is beyond excessive.
One of the primary reasons we encourage small extractions is to learn how to perfect our extraction technique so if we make a mistake only a small, personal, manageable amount is lost. If you do not know how a tek works or if you are new to extracting then you should not be using 1000g.
One of the primary reasons we encourage small extractions is to learn how to perfect our extraction technique so if we make a mistake only a small, personal, manageable amount is lost. If you do not know how a tek works or if you are new to extracting then you should not be using 1000g.
ewok said:
Well they're 'crystals' as it were. They're just not sticking like I'm used to seeing. It's been 3-4 years since I've done an extraction and I can't remember how to fix this specific issue. I had 1000g and only have a short while left at my current residence before I move and wanted to get it out of the way, so I did it all at once. Maybe not the smartest thing, but it seems to have worked so far. Quite messy though. I used 2lbs of lime if I remember right which more or less formed a perfect consistency. Like I said, I'm pulling plenty, it's just not 'sticking' in the freezer.
ewok said:
I probably used about 900mL of naptha and only got maybe 400mL out of the mix (was a hassle, might get more) so I don't think that's the issue... I'm stumped. In hindsight I think I should have done multiple small extractions but you live and learn, I'm not too worried about it.
Honestly I just wanna fix the situation. Hindsight is obviously 20/20. I'm a very busy person and wanted to save some time, and obviously I made a mistake. Do you know how I can fix it. Not sure what my dishonorable intentions are. It's only for me.
Parshvik Chintan
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i think foresight rather than hindsight is the concern.
if i were you i would get more nps and keep pulling.
maybe break the basified bark down into a few containers, and pull the smaller amounts individually.
if you are quick (and cold) about it you MIGHT be able to get away with a quick filtration (re: freeze precip).
worst case scenario you can always evap the naphtha and retrieve all the alkaloids.
from there you can clean them as you like.
also you might want to get some limo to pull after the naphtha to get all that jungle dmt.
if i were you i would get more nps and keep pulling.
maybe break the basified bark down into a few containers, and pull the smaller amounts individually.
if you are quick (and cold) about it you MIGHT be able to get away with a quick filtration (re: freeze precip).
worst case scenario you can always evap the naphtha and retrieve all the alkaloids.
from there you can clean them as you like.
also you might want to get some limo to pull after the naphtha to get all that jungle dmt.
darellmatt
Rising Star
Issue number one: what was the temperature of the mix/naptha as you did the pulls. Cool naptha picks up DMT slowly, solubility goes up as temp goes up. Also, even if you warm the naptha it reaches thermal equillibrium fairly quickly. You might try letting the naptha sit with the basified mix in a slightly warmer place.
Second issue: what was the consistency of the mix? Were you doing the dry/crumbly consisitency or the oatmeal consistency?
Second issue: what was the consistency of the mix? Were you doing the dry/crumbly consisitency or the oatmeal consistency?
Parshvik Chintan said:
Sounds good. I lost a ton of solvent. It seems it's actually precipitating out but it has to be in the freezer 48 hours or so. I'm doing a limo pull after naptha pulls, so I had foresight on that at least.
I think I might get some mason jars and split them up like you said. Seems best. Could probably add more lime to each jar.
Do you think adding more lime might be a good idea? I'm not exactly sure how the consistency is supposed to be other then 'thick'. I had about 1100 grams of bark and used 900 grams of lime so I think I'm good.
darellmatt said:
It was really hot. I put naptha in a mason jar and put it in a boiling pot. It was hot. I think what I'll do next is put the jar in a hot bathtub. As far as that goes, how long should naptha sit in the mix? 10-15 minutes or will longer sitting periods yield more? I figure 10-15 minutes is all you need because it will cool down correct?
I did the 'thick oatmeal' one. It was really sludgy.
I once had about 600g mhrb get wet so had to do a larger extraction had similar issues as you my issue was solved with more lime. It seems as the amount of mhrb increases a higher ratio of lime is required. Well in my experience that was the case anyway.
Parshvik Chintan
Esteemed member
i wouldn't think more lime would hurt.
i did a 1:1 ratio on my smaller extraction
i did a 1:1 ratio on my smaller extraction
I would def divide the bark up into smaller portions. I noticed less yield per pull when I had to use more naphtha due to more bark. 100 gram portions using 100ml of naphtha seemed best in my experience. Although for you that would mean atleast 10 portions and that may not be ideal in your situation.
So I divided it up into 5 jars and have some questions:
I've done a few STB's and I've noticed that in STB's the layer between lye/bark and naphtha is obvious. In this extraction naphtha pretty much floats with the bark. Is this normal? Did I not use enough lime?
Had a question about this.
1)
1) If you heat it and let sit 24 hours, is the initial heating pointless?
2) If you let sit 24 hours, would it be better to heat it up right before sucking the naphtha out? (If you never heated it up at all before that).
Just kind of curious about this. I'd do an A/B test but time is of the essence!
2)
Also; is 24 hours necessary? In my experience it seems to be more useful to let it sit 24 hours with NO heating than heat it for 20 minutes. Yields are much better in my experience.
One more question:
I'm doing an A/B and my initial pull resulted in pretty much nothing. After 72 hours the yields increased exponentially. Did my mix pretty much turn into an STB somehow? I'm thinking of adding more calcium hydroxide if this is the case, but is it necessary if I'm getting decent yields? Thanks!
I've done a few STB's and I've noticed that in STB's the layer between lye/bark and naphtha is obvious. In this extraction naphtha pretty much floats with the bark. Is this normal? Did I not use enough lime?
Had a question about this.
1)
1) If you heat it and let sit 24 hours, is the initial heating pointless?
2) If you let sit 24 hours, would it be better to heat it up right before sucking the naphtha out? (If you never heated it up at all before that).
Just kind of curious about this. I'd do an A/B test but time is of the essence!
2)
Also; is 24 hours necessary? In my experience it seems to be more useful to let it sit 24 hours with NO heating than heat it for 20 minutes. Yields are much better in my experience.
One more question:
I'm doing an A/B and my initial pull resulted in pretty much nothing. After 72 hours the yields increased exponentially. Did my mix pretty much turn into an STB somehow? I'm thinking of adding more calcium hydroxide if this is the case, but is it necessary if I'm getting decent yields? Thanks!
